Evil does not exist in a gun, it only exists in the minds and hearts of those who pull the trigger for evil purposes - Einstein

Basically what that says is people are dumb. They have been trying to issue standard laws to help regulate and control the weapon violence in the US for 50+ years now. One being waiting periods, licenses and ect. Banning assualt weapons and 100+ round clips is a measure they HAD to take. People are to stupid to have a fully loaded AK put into their hands, they feel overwelmed with power and it goes to there head. Plus, this isn't really ment to solve or fix anything, this was passed to ease the mind of the nation, making it think it's safer. This is a direct result of Sandy Hook Elementy Shooting

Fold wrote

-Jiraiya- wrote

FrenzyRG wrote

-Jiraiya- wrote

FrenzyRG wrote You said that guns dont kill people but people kill people but if theres no guns then people cant kill people...So why care if you're buying guns for self defence well know you dont have to because no one else is going to have guns...

you are an IDIOT. people will still have guns after they are banned, people will just resort to using other weapons to kill others. I'm sorry but if a policeman goes insane, I want to be ready to defend myself.
If the military and police enforcement has it, why can't I have it to defend myself if they ever decide to abuse their power?

no need to call me an idiot but the other countries are doing fine without guns and only have like 100 deaths a year from murder when america has 15,000

It seems to me that you think 15,000 deaths is a huge number you pulled out of your ass.
"In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms." [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
Using your logic, why don't we ban alcohol? I mean its linked to 75,000 deaths a year.
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Fold wrote

FrenzyRG wrote

-Jiraiya- wrote

FrenzyRG wrote You said that guns dont kill people but people kill people but if theres no guns then people cant kill people...So why care if you're buying guns for self defence well know you dont have to because no one else is going to have guns...

you are an IDIOT. people will still have guns after they are banned, people will just resort to using other weapons to kill others. I'm sorry but if a policeman goes insane, I want to be ready to defend myself.
If the military and police enforcement has it, why can't I have it to defend myself if they ever decide to abuse their power?

no need to call me an idiot but the other countries are doing fine without guns and only have like 100 deaths a year from murder when america has 15,000

Agreed, nothing is added to society as a whole by having guns. People will always kill people, why give them an easier way of doing it...

It's because they are taking away our rights.
Why can't you see that when I have a weapon, I will be able to defend myself when the time comes. You only see the bad that comes from people abusing guns.

Nothing good can come from guns. You defend yourself, and someone else loses a child/father/mother/brother/sister, yes obviously you WOULD defend yourself, but you forget that you are ruining their family as well. So unless they have a gun pointed at you with intent to kill, then you killing them or maiming them will not solve much. Yes, you get to keep your wallet or your TV, but wouldn't being trained in fighting be a better option.. you can defend yourself, and no one needs to die. Guns are the easy way out in most situations. Wars could be prevented if the world was equally maintained, but instead everyone just blows each other up and then reaps the benefits and spoils leftover. Now obviously being able to use handguns at home isn't this extreme, but it is very much the same. Those who steal are the ones who need. If no one needed, no one would steal. And now somehow I have arrived at communism... but I'll save that for later.

Wars are started by religion and end with guns.

Yin wrote

tbyeah wrote "If weapons are banned, the government might abuse their power."

That's the reasoning for keeping guns that most people give. OK. Fair point but:

1. The chance of a dictatorship developing is nigh impossible. The Government would have virtually nothing to gain.

2. The Government wouldn't dare to do that. The rest of the world would sever all trade, military alliances, and many countries would intervene to prevent the Government from siezing power.

And the gun crime rates would fall through the floor.

It doesn't have to be over night. It's the fact it leaves us vulnerable in the future. Countries already despise America, so what difference would that make? Why sever the trades of one of your biggest money makers? China itself is a dictatorship, so I don't see them caring. I personally don't think a dictatorship will come out of it (at least publically.) It will always be masked with the three branches of government. We are allies with NATO, and I am sure they know exactly what's happening as well. We are already the world police, so I'm not sure why you think others countries would intervene at that point. They should have already did it if they were going to. We have no business being in other countries' business like we are.

Some despise America. It still has a huge alliance. That alliance would be destroyed and likely become completely hostile. The US would have to withdraw troops from most foreign territories. And for what gain? A bit of Government confidence? Guns wouldn't make a huge difference anyway. Against people armed with handguns, rifles, and shotguns, the US military could take a large dump on them if they wanted to. I'd like to see untrained, poorly armed US citizens hold out against A10 strafing runs and Abrams' rolling through the streets. The current gun policy is near useless against the Government. People could just accept that the Government won't seize control, or citizens would need the rights to have weaponry such as SAM sites in their garden and TOW rockets in the front window.

yeah and if you wanted to kill someone you can still get hold of guns or just a chainsaw that would be the funner way anyways

SnDCaution wrote yeah and if you wanted to kill someone you can still get hold of guns or just a chainsaw that would be the funner way anyways

Beyond everything that was serious in this topic, I couldn't help but laugh at this.

-Jiraiya- wrote I don't care if they are banning just assault rifles, it's outrageous none of you guys are willing to fight for your rights and protect the second amendment. Guns don't kill people its people that kill people. Banning things is not the way to go about stopping ANYTHING. It's just like when we decided to begin the prohibition of alcohol. All it did was just cause outrage. Why do we even ban marijuana and other drugs? It'd stop the drug wars. Somewhere somehow, another idiot is going to get a hold on some assault rifle and murder more people.
It's like me deciding to make spoons illegal because you use it to eat out of it and it makes you fat.
Come on people, where is the logic..?

i agree 100% its not the guns its the people. if anyone has an issue pm me

All banning guns will do is take guns from citizens and only criminals will have them.

-Syn wrote All banning guns will do is take guns from citizens and only criminals will have them.

This is exactly what will happen and people don't seem to grasp the concept of it.
It'll just create another problem with gangs smuggling illegal guns into the country for the criminals that are willing to pay for it.
If some idiot is willing to kill people in a movie theater, or kill children in a school, don't you think they'd be willing to get an illegal firearm just to do so?
Banning these types of rifles will do nothing.

-Jiraiya- wrote

-Syn wrote All banning guns will do is take guns from citizens and only criminals will have them.

This is exactly what will happen and people don't seem to grasp the concept of it.
It'll just create another problem with gangs smuggling illegal guns into the country for the criminals that are willing to pay for it.
If some idiot is willing to kill people in a movie theater, or kill children in a school, don't you think they'd be willing to get an illegal firearm just to do so?
Banning these types of rifles will do nothing.

lets see here we ban assault rifels we have gangs getting ahold of them and selling them to regular people on the streets. so i dont see the point of banning or raising the taxes on them one way or another the REGULAR OR MENTALLY ILL ARE GOING TO GET THEM!

CodMasTerZ wrote

-Jiraiya- wrote

-Syn wrote All banning guns will do is take guns from citizens and only criminals will have them.

This is exactly what will happen and people don't seem to grasp the concept of it.
It'll just create another problem with gangs smuggling illegal guns into the country for the criminals that are willing to pay for it.
If some idiot is willing to kill people in a movie theater, or kill children in a school, don't you think they'd be willing to get an illegal firearm just to do so?
Banning these types of rifles will do nothing.

lets see here we ban assault rifels we have gangs getting ahold of them and selling them to regular people on the streets. so i dont see the point of banning or raising the taxes on them one way or another the REGULAR OR MENTALLY ILL ARE GOING TO GET THEM!

The price on the black market would rise too much for any ordinary criminal to obtain one.