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I raised this question in the comments section on the news post of Microsoft's response to the DRM petition, and I will raise it here again.
Who the hell in their right mind, as a gamer, would advocate for DRM???
Something sketchy is behind this, almost as if Microsoft created this petition themselves to bring back DRM. It's not unlikely, especially when you consider Microsoft all too often fakes public opinion. In Japan they HIRED people to attend Kinect demos and buy 360s. There's news that Microsoft employees are allegedly trolling Reddit posting pro-Xbox One comments. Could it be that Microsoft is attempting to manipulate the public's perception on DRM policies?
In addition, if you look at this from a managing standpoint, it's horrible for the public opinion of your company. Why would Microsoft so readily heed to some random petition when they have long since stated that they will remove DRM. My friends, something very strange is going on. There has to be a great incentive for Microsoft to bring back DRM, like a massive expected increase in profits. Pretty sad that gaming isn't about the games, it's all about the green.
TLDR Microsoft may have created the petition themselves as an excuse to bring back DRM to milk more money from gamers.
EDIT 1 - People are arguing that digital downloads keep game prices low. This is not necessarily true. Steam has low prices because of competition from other firms, not because of the convenience of digital downloads. On PC nothing prevents me from switching to another service like Origin, etc. If you buy an Xbox One, you are stuck in Microsoft's ecosystem and they can charge whatever price they wish. If digital downloads really do keep prices low, why is content on XBLA always overpriced?
EDIT 2 - Some people believe DRM helps publishers increase game sales and the amount of money developers earn. I challenge someone to find a correlation linking DRM to higher game sales. You won't. Look at EA games. The release of Spore, a DRM plagued game, had horrible sales. If a company doesn't trust consumers with their games, why should we, the gamers, entrust them with money?
In addition, some people aren't aware of the fact that Microsoft's terms of service don't guarantee lifetime ownership of a game. Once Microsoft terminates Xbox Love support for the Xbox One, there would be no means to conduct random DRM checks, thus rendering all games unplayable. DRM is evil.
Some people compare this new DRM to Steam, but what they don't realize is that PC is more or less eternal. Even if people stop using Windows, there will always be means to emulate it and play your games (i.e. Wine).
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Who the hell in their right mind, as a gamer, would advocate for DRM???
Something sketchy is behind this, almost as if Microsoft created this petition themselves to bring back DRM. It's not unlikely, especially when you consider Microsoft all too often fakes public opinion. In Japan they HIRED people to attend Kinect demos and buy 360s. There's news that Microsoft employees are allegedly trolling Reddit posting pro-Xbox One comments. Could it be that Microsoft is attempting to manipulate the public's perception on DRM policies?
In addition, if you look at this from a managing standpoint, it's horrible for the public opinion of your company. Why would Microsoft so readily heed to some random petition when they have long since stated that they will remove DRM. My friends, something very strange is going on. There has to be a great incentive for Microsoft to bring back DRM, like a massive expected increase in profits. Pretty sad that gaming isn't about the games, it's all about the green.
TLDR Microsoft may have created the petition themselves as an excuse to bring back DRM to milk more money from gamers.
EDIT 1 - People are arguing that digital downloads keep game prices low. This is not necessarily true. Steam has low prices because of competition from other firms, not because of the convenience of digital downloads. On PC nothing prevents me from switching to another service like Origin, etc. If you buy an Xbox One, you are stuck in Microsoft's ecosystem and they can charge whatever price they wish. If digital downloads really do keep prices low, why is content on XBLA always overpriced?
EDIT 2 - Some people believe DRM helps publishers increase game sales and the amount of money developers earn. I challenge someone to find a correlation linking DRM to higher game sales. You won't. Look at EA games. The release of Spore, a DRM plagued game, had horrible sales. If a company doesn't trust consumers with their games, why should we, the gamers, entrust them with money?
In addition, some people aren't aware of the fact that Microsoft's terms of service don't guarantee lifetime ownership of a game. Once Microsoft terminates Xbox Love support for the Xbox One, there would be no means to conduct random DRM checks, thus rendering all games unplayable. DRM is evil.
Some people compare this new DRM to Steam, but what they don't realize is that PC is more or less eternal. Even if people stop using Windows, there will always be means to emulate it and play your games (i.e. Wine).
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There's nothing wrong with DRM. Look at steam, the fact that used games are cut out you can actually get new games at used game prices due to the 100% profit off the game sales as opposed to an increased price in the original purchase so that developers can make up for the loss of money due to the second hand market. People that rallied against DRM are hurting the evolution of gaming, eventually distribution will be fully download only which cuts out manufacturing prices for devs and in turn lowers the prices of games; Microsoft was just going to catalyze this change and make a console in line with the pc counterparts handling. I don't see reason for all the resistance; steam and later origin have shown for years that drm bundled digital downloads will sale, generally at lower prices than traditionally boxed games.
TLDR- DRM works, and it will soon be the mainstream. Consoles need to catch up to PC. I'd love to see sales the likes of the steam summer sale on consoles but it will only come with digital downloads and drm.
TLDR- DRM works, and it will soon be the mainstream. Consoles need to catch up to PC. I'd love to see sales the likes of the steam summer sale on consoles but it will only come with digital downloads and drm.
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i find nothing wrong with their DRM polices
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Gut wrote There's nothing wrong with DRM. Look at steam, the fact that used games are cut out you can actually get new games at used game prices due to the 100% profit off the game sales as opposed to an increased price in the original purchase so that developers can make up for the loss of money due to the second hand market. People that rallied against DRM are hurting the evolution of gaming, eventually distribution will be fully download only which cuts out manufacturing prices for devs and in turn lowers the prices of games; Microsoft was just going to catalyze this change and make a console in line with the pc counterparts handling. I don't see reason for all the resistance; steam and later origin have shown for years that drm bundled digital downloads will sale, generally at lower prices than traditionally boxed games.
TLDR- DRM works, and it will soon be the mainstream. Consoles need to catch up to PC. I'd love to see sales the likes of the steam summer sale on consoles but it will only come with digital downloads and drm.
As nice as that really does sound, there is a major problem in my eyes. You don't actually own the games you buy on Steam. If they decide to cancel your account, you lose your games, and there is nothing that you an legally do about it. Until they get some laws into place that protect the consumer with things like this, there will forever be a problem with the DRM and digital sales. This is why the physical copy is just better as of right now. You forever have your rights to it.
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To be honest, I don't care about the DRM Policies, whether its restricted or non-restricted.
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you should have the freedom to do what you want with what you buy
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you should have the freedom to do what you want with what you buy but that just my opinion
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Gut wrote There's nothing wrong with DRM. Look at steam, the fact that used games are cut out you can actually get new games at used game prices due to the 100% profit off the game sales as opposed to an increased price in the original purchase so that developers can make up for the loss of money due to the second hand market. People that rallied against DRM are hurting the evolution of gaming, eventually distribution will be fully download only which cuts out manufacturing prices for devs and in turn lowers the prices of games; Microsoft was just going to catalyze this change and make a console in line with the pc counterparts handling. I don't see reason for all the resistance; steam and later origin have shown for years that drm bundled digital downloads will sale, generally at lower prices than traditionally boxed games.
TLDR- DRM works, and it will soon be the mainstream. Consoles need to catch up to PC. I'd love to see sales the likes of the steam summer sale on consoles but it will only come with digital downloads and drm.
The flaw with your argument is that Steam has to compete with other companies on PC. Nothing on PC prevents me from switching from Steam to Origin, or any other service. Steam has low prices because of competition from other firms, not because of the convenience of digital downloads. On Xbox One you are stuck with within Microsoft's ecosystem. They can charge you any price they want, and the only way to escape would be to buy a whole different console or switch to PC. If digital downloads really keep prices low, why is content on XBLA always overpriced?
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Origin is Steams main competition and Steam offers a system a lot better than Origin! Oh anf Steam are in the process of making their own operating system, so they won't have any major competition! Besides Steam is run by Good Guy Valve!
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liamcole123 wrote Origin is Steams main competition and Steam offers a system a lot better than Origin! Oh anf Steam are in the process of making their own operating system, so they won't have any major competition! Besides Steam is run by Good Guy Valve!
Valve's Steam Box OS will likely be available to the vast amount of PC gamers building their own computers. As a result, they will always have competition as their is nothing preventing gamers from installing something else on their computers.
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