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Why would anyone ever think of this? They must be crazy like wtf why would the government ever think about outlawing guns?
To make gun crime go down? No Hahaha it will make it go up even more because gangs will have guns no matter what they buy them illegally so outlawing them wouldn't change anything it would make us defenseless against people that are gang related or just crazy. open carry is a excellent thing to have so when you do have a gang shooter there will be a peaceful citizen with a gun doing open carry with no harm to then actually defend them and others against the shooter
If anything what will make crime go down is making marijuana legal then the gangs lose there money making profit unless they also deal coke and others but guns wont fix crime at all
To make gun crime go down? No Hahaha it will make it go up even more because gangs will have guns no matter what they buy them illegally so outlawing them wouldn't change anything it would make us defenseless against people that are gang related or just crazy. open carry is a excellent thing to have so when you do have a gang shooter there will be a peaceful citizen with a gun doing open carry with no harm to then actually defend them and others against the shooter
If anything what will make crime go down is making marijuana legal then the gangs lose there money making profit unless they also deal coke and others but guns wont fix crime at all
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There have always been questions as to if hand guns should be legal, or illegal, to all citizens. Is it right for anyone to carry a gun and shoot it when they want to? Many people believe that anyone has the right to walk in to a store and buy a gun, while others think there should be more involved, such as background checks and identification papers. There have always been arguments between pro and anti-gun citizens, and even with the new rules out there are still arguments. There are people who say hand guns in a home can only cause accidents. This is valid because there have been several incidents where a child has thought that a gun is a toy and has injured themself or others. Also, there have been situations where a gun has been left lying around loaded and someone was shot accidentally. Sometimes guns are left out in the open and some people even get the idea to shoot themselves. It is estimated that four people die each day because of accidental gun fire. Anti-gun users have pointed out the fact that states who havent taken their gun laws seriously have had an increase in homicides. Guns, obviously, are built, designed and operated for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill things with (Edelstein). Some people have that opinion because it is true. Also, more people have died from criminal use of guns, such as gang fights for example. Some people think it is easy for anyone to get access to a hand gun, and it actually is. The laws in some states don't even require a waiting period, forms of identification, or even a background check. Anti-gun users think that if handguns are illegal it is still possible for criminals to get them. There are still gang members out there illegally buying guns. If that came to a stop, some believe there would be a decrease in gang violence and armed robberies.
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Guns are good to have but when we do buy them they need to do background checks like stated but gangs get there's off the black market
drugs are illegal you see them dealing drugs still so obviously they will stil be the only ones with guns along with other criminals they dont care what the law says they do what they want so why punish us for using our guns properly?
I do own a gun just for my safety because I live in Chicago and gun laws are very strict and there can be a lot of shootings I don't live in the east side anymore I moved up to the north side at Norwood park and its safe here but who knows gangs can go anywhere or crazy people can go where ever
drugs are illegal you see them dealing drugs still so obviously they will stil be the only ones with guns along with other criminals they dont care what the law says they do what they want so why punish us for using our guns properly?
I do own a gun just for my safety because I live in Chicago and gun laws are very strict and there can be a lot of shootings I don't live in the east side anymore I moved up to the north side at Norwood park and its safe here but who knows gangs can go anywhere or crazy people can go where ever
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It really doesn't help when there are politicians that are for gun control but are trafficking arms on the side. If they get the control they want, their business will boom. Corruption is a beautiful (terrible) thing. I mean, the idea looks good on paper, but I'm just not seeing where it would play out for the best. I wished we lived in a great time and place where we could get rid of all weapons, but we don't live in that perfect world. Since we don't, simply enforcing the laws we already have for guns that never get enforced seems like the best way to go in my opinion.
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Why would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
EDIT: Constructed a better argument on the second page responding to Lavish and some scrubnubs comments. Just gonna put it here if you cba to go to 2ndpage:
Classic red-herring fallacy. Not gonna take your bait, srybby xoxoxo
Where do you get your information from?
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The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
I do know that the 'War On Drugs' is a flop, I think that people want to take drugs regardless of what the Governments try and do so let them do it in a safe environment where they aren't criminalized. The 'war' did work in another way though, it definitely helped fuel the US prison economy.
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I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
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Of course you're not going to eradicate all guns that's unfortunately unrealistic, as you said "Criminals don't follow the law" ada)
Gangs will be gangs == Criminals don't follow the law, they no care. Thankfully we have the police to protect the citizens, rite?
If you compare the number of gang-related homicides and civilian homicides with firearms i would say the immediate problem to tackle is saving those civilian lives...
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Perhaps stricter regulations on purchasing guns as a deterrent? Outlawing? idk the solution.
Something obviously needs to be done about gang-related homicides, maybe changing gun laws could help that(?) However i'm sway and i don't know the answers.
I heard telling an American how guns r bad and we b& them is like telling a British person not to queue.
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Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
EDIT: Constructed a better argument on the second page responding to Lavish and some scrubnubs comments. Just gonna put it here if you cba to go to 2ndpage:
Extort wroteskatertg wroteWhy would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
I couldn't help but notice that your avatar is a man, wither that be you or another is irrelevant but you use statistics, morality, and a biased opinion in your claim the text on the T-Shirt is not only stereotyping but in the same also one could infer that you could care less about the law anyway.
Classic red-herring fallacy. Not gonna take your bait, srybby xoxoxo
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down.
Sorta like how outlawing drugs stopped smuggling, drug use, and cartel violence?
As for your other nonsense; We have a gang problem, not a gun problem.
80% of firearm homicides are gang related.
Where do you get your information from?
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[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] (not the best source but better than the study you quoted from ABC)
The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
I do know that the 'War On Drugs' is a flop, I think that people want to take drugs regardless of what the Governments try and do so let them do it in a safe environment where they aren't criminalized. The 'war' did work in another way though, it definitely helped fuel the US prison economy.
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I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
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skatertg wroteLavish wroteskatertg wrote
HuffingtonPost is about as objective as FOX news.
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That was a lot to sift through... I might be blind but i didn't see anything regarding 80% of gun violence being gang-related in there. It just confirmed the numbers i mentioned from the report by the National Gang Center. See pages 41-42 of the report you posted. Have I misunderstood your post??
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skatertg wroteYou are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
Outlawing guns will have the same effect as outlawing drugs.
Criminals don't follow the law.
As i said i don't think they can really be compared...
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
>Says gangs will still use firearms after a ban
>Posts a statistic to combat gun ownership
>Repeats that gangs will still use guns
>"Better to just let them die"
>"Gangs will be gangs"
This entire paragraph is horribly flawed.
It's like you're arguing with yourself.
Of course you're not going to eradicate all guns that's unfortunately unrealistic, as you said "Criminals don't follow the law" ada)
Gangs will be gangs == Criminals don't follow the law, they no care. Thankfully we have the police to protect the citizens, rite?
If you compare the number of gang-related homicides and civilian homicides with firearms i would say the immediate problem to tackle is saving those civilian lives...
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lel
Perhaps stricter regulations on purchasing guns as a deterrent? Outlawing? idk the solution.
Something obviously needs to be done about gang-related homicides, maybe changing gun laws could help that(?) However i'm sway and i don't know the answers.
I heard telling an American how guns r bad and we b& them is like telling a British person not to queue.
> w/out greentext huehue
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skatertg wroter00t wroteskatertg wroteExtort wroteskatertg wroteWhy would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
I couldn't help but notice that your avatar is a man, wither that be you or another is irrelevant but you use statistics, morality, and a biased opinion in your claim the text on the T-Shirt is not only stereotyping but in the same also one could infer that you could care less about the law anyway.
Classic red-herring fallacy. Not gonna take your bait, srybby xoxoxo
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down.
Sorta like how outlawing drugs stopped smuggling, drug use, and cartel violence?
As for your other nonsense; We have a gang problem, not a gun problem.
80% of firearm homicides are gang related.
Where do you get your information from?
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] (not the best source but better than the study you quoted from ABC)
The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
I do know that the 'War On Drugs' is a flop, I think that people want to take drugs regardless of what the Governments try and do so let them do it in a safe environment where they aren't criminalized. The 'war' did work in another way though, it definitely helped fuel the US prison economy.
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I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
It has never been about preventing crime. The amendment exists to give the people the means to overthrow a tyrannical government because the writers of the Constitution knew that the government they were establishing could become oppressive in time. They were smarter than anyone is giving them credit for anymore.
The multi-billion dollar firearms industry, hundreds of thousands of jobs, the ability to defend yourself, and the success of legal concealed carry are incidental.
Do you think the American public are really going to rise against the government with their guns? The law is applicable to the time it was written -- the war of independence. I don't think it is applicable in 2014 because it's not how politics works in the west. Also "the government they were establishing could become oppressive in time" the US government was oppressive from the get-go. Slavery? The US constitution allowed slavery which i know is an entirely different topic. I think the constitution should always be updated for the era we're living in.
I understand the firearm industry is a large part of US income, domestically and to fuel the US raging war economy. However i believe domestic laws should be changed for the betterment of the average civilian, keep the war economy probs never going to get rid of that in our lifetime w/e but don't allow citizens to die in your own country because people want to keep their toys.
edit; Everyone keeps saying the guns are to defend themselves. It's hard for me to relate as i live in a country without guns, i feel relatively safe in my country...
Defend yourself against what? 'Terrorists'? Other muricans? Crime? I wonder how often the average firearm holder is forced to legitimately defend themselves with their firearm.
@Lavish
You tell everyone their logic is flawed, yet the evidence you tried to present for your argument was void. ada)
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skatertg wrote Why would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
I couldn't help but notice that your avatar is a man, wither that be you or another is irrelevant but you use statistics, morality, and a biased opinion in your claim the text on the T-Shirt is not only stereotyping but in the same also one could infer that you could care less about the law anyway.
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skatertg wrote Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down.
Sorta like how outlawing drugs stopped smuggling, drug use, and cartel violence?
As for your other nonsense; We have a gang problem, not a gun problem.
80% of firearm homicides are gang related.
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Skaterg has no idea what he is talking about he is uneducated if he doesn't understand what it would cause to take them away
When alcohol was illegal crime went up when they legalized it crime went down
gun arent causing the crime here its the fact weed is illegal so there for gangs fight for turf to sell it legalize weed and you will see crime go down taking guns away wont solve that problem
im from Chicago and have a fiend in a gang and he even said himself legalizing weed would stop over half of the gangs but then they would just sell coke and LSD such and such but guns arent the issue with the crime its the drugs
say xbox became illegal people woul still try to smuggle them in for us and fight against each other in order to sell it but guess what xbox isnt illegal so we dont do that so if a couple of drugs were legal we wouldnt have this gun problem
When alcohol was illegal crime went up when they legalized it crime went down
gun arent causing the crime here its the fact weed is illegal so there for gangs fight for turf to sell it legalize weed and you will see crime go down taking guns away wont solve that problem
im from Chicago and have a fiend in a gang and he even said himself legalizing weed would stop over half of the gangs but then they would just sell coke and LSD such and such but guns arent the issue with the crime its the drugs
say xbox became illegal people woul still try to smuggle them in for us and fight against each other in order to sell it but guess what xbox isnt illegal so we dont do that so if a couple of drugs were legal we wouldnt have this gun problem
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Outlawing guns completely isn't really an option in the US. There are more guns in the US than there are citizens.
Outlawing them completely would cause all sorts of problems but what they need to do is make them at least a little more difficult to acquire.
When I lived in Texas I literally walked into two different gun stores on two different occasions and was able to walk out 10 minutes later with the guns I wanted and all I had to do was fill out a form asking for my personal information, if I was a felon, and if I used drugs(it asked a little more but thats the gist of it) and there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
Outlawing them completely would cause all sorts of problems but what they need to do is make them at least a little more difficult to acquire.
When I lived in Texas I literally walked into two different gun stores on two different occasions and was able to walk out 10 minutes later with the guns I wanted and all I had to do was fill out a form asking for my personal information, if I was a felon, and if I used drugs(it asked a little more but thats the gist of it) and there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
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I personally think guns should be outlawed, I live in the UK, so don't have a great eye on this, but from what ive heard, and also what ive read, gun violence isn't strict enough in the US, its rather stupid really, like why would carrying around an offensive weapon that could easily harm/kill several people, be allowed? US laws are so incredibly stupid.
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