Banning guns should not be aloud, but banning AR's should

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

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US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within thu United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

I do keep up with political events within the United States, nothing interesting happens with my country's political system anyways. "The US citizens are used to having such weaponry". And you think that Canada, Australia, Britain and people from the other countries didn't? They learned to live without guns, and I think you guys can too.

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

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US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within thu United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

I do keep up with political events within the United States, nothing interesting happens with my country's political system anyways. "The US citizens are used to having such weaponry". And you think that Canada, Australia, Britain and people from the other countries didn't? They learned to live without guns, and I think you guys can too.

Keep in mind they never started out like us.

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

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US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within thu United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

I do keep up with political events within the United States, nothing interesting happens with my country's political system anyways. "The US citizens are used to having such weaponry". And you think that Canada, Australia, Britain and people from the other countries didn't? They learned to live without guns, and I think you guys can too.

Keep in mind they never started out like us.

What do you mean by that?

I agree. But the problem in the USA is also desensitization to gun violence.

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

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US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

GTO wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

Ok, I actually have a couple of Semi Auto's locked up and chained to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe about 6-9 times a month I'll go to a local shooting range. What harm am I doing? So what your saying is that I have these guns to kill? Absolutely not. I collect guns as a hobby, and hunt with them to. All guns have their purposes and shouldn't be the ones blamed for the deaths. A knife is just as dangerous. The government should require that all citizens bearing any assault rifle should have them locked up and chained down. Another step would be to filter out the "crazies" from the people. Anybody with a criminal record of any type should be denied. I believe they should make having an AR a privilege not a right.

The right states that it will not be infringed. They won't ban guns. They can't as they don't have the right to.

Attacker wrote The right states that it will not be infringed. They won't ban guns. They can't as they don't have the right to.

Of course they do! Give it 20 years and citizens will be limited to .22 cal Handguns

PowerButton wrote

Attacker wrote The right states that it will not be infringed. They won't ban guns. They can't as they don't have the right to.

Of course they do! Give it 20 years and citizens will be limited to .22 cal Handguns

They have no right at all. They promised that it would not be infringed. Give it 20 years and ill still have my AK-47. If they do try to take our guns it will be all out war. People would hide them because 25%+ of people don't have a registered gun and that would be impossible to trace. Maybe this will be the key to getting real freedom. The USA thinks we're too afraid to fight back making us more scared of them. If we do fight back then they will get into their minds that were not just a bunch of pansies that eat McDonald's all day.