Well I have beats studio and this hasn't happened

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most of this video = ath m50 ( you only see him with beats when he's paid to be in the hotel room with them... )

-Razzle- wrote My opinion to them is that there only used for studio/dj(ing) , thats my opinion , to me skull candys are as good as them

Geez, don't quote the whole post. And no, Beats should NEVER be used for studio use. They are the antithesis of something that should be used in a studio. Leave that to the AKG K271's, Beyerdynamic DT48's, and Sennheiser HD600's. Nothing else should be used except for a neutral headphone. Beats are incredible far from neutral. And even for DJ use, they're not ideal, since you probably want something that's very durable for DJing (no, don't argue that they don't all break, you need something that can withstand being dropped and stepped on to DJ)

sauLy wrote Well I have beats studio and this hasn't happened

Well I have arms and I haven't gotten them broken either. :trollin:

iiDoWorkx wrote You've never even had a pair...
It's not hard to take care of beats.
Just saying...

Can Gemballa like take the pictures off? This argument is seriously getting on my nerves. It's a totally baseless comment, like what I said to sauLy.

The iPhone ones work fine.

Im sorry but i beg to differ my beats are amazing and you just got to buy them off ebay for like $210 bucks and get the guy to lower the price

ridiculed wrote Im sorry but i beg to differ my beats are amazing and you just got to buy them off ebay for like $210 bucks and get the guy to lower the price

Have you done any research or listened to any other headphones? If you had done either, you'd be regretting that purchase. They're still not worth that lowered price.

Professor_Green wrote The iPhone ones work fine.

They may work, but they don't sound good. Kind of missing the point, just in general.

Ishcabible wrote

-Razzle- wrote My opinion to them is that there only used for studio/dj(ing) , thats my opinion , to me skull candys are as good as them

Geez, don't quote the whole post. And no, Beats should NEVER be used for studio use. They are the antithesis of something that should be used in a studio. Leave that to the AKG K271's, Beyerdynamic DT48's, and Sennheiser HD600's. Nothing else should be used except for a neutral headphone. Beats are incredible far from neutral. And even for DJ use, they're not ideal, since you probably want something that's very durable for DJing (no, don't argue that they don't all break, you need something that can withstand being dropped and stepped on to DJ)

sauLy wrote Well I have beats studio and this hasn't happened

Well I have arms and I haven't gotten them broken either. :trollin:

iiDoWorkx wrote You've never even had a pair...
It's not hard to take care of beats.
Just saying...

Can Gemballa like take the pictures off? This argument is seriously getting on my nerves. It's a totally baseless comment, like what I said to sauLy.

I might as well remove these pictures, since everyone still says the same thing.

Also, I changed my name.

Instead you could put some of our posts explaining why Beats suck in spoilers. I think that would be more effective and the thread would be much more useful when I'm trying to get my point across.

Matt_Forte wrote
I might as well remove these pictures, since everyone still says the same thing.

Also, I changed my name.

Gah, if Forte and Cutler (and everyone else) didn't get hurt, we would have done better than the Lions.

And going along with r00t_b33r's suggestion, here are some quotes. And don't put them in spoilers. Just copy and paste the entire block into the OP.

"Take a look at this:
[img]http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID=1383[/img]

(To those who have no idea what this is, which is probably most of you, the x axis is the hz level. 10hz is the lowest of the low, the type of bass that liquifies your insides, the next mark is 20hz, which is the lowest we can technically hear, but we can still feel. This is the standard measurement of lowness how low a headphone can reach. They don't reach that low. They go to 30hz, where they start to go down. Here's a bass test link for you guys so you have an idea of what I'm talking about: sinan.ussakli.net/basstest/ )

They literally have no sub bass. It's quite embarrassing for a headphone that touts is bass ability. It just conveys the wubs. "

"The build quality is inexcusably bad. They break when you put them on most often. The headband has NO flex to it, which is one of the worst design mistakes I have ever seen. It's easy to see Apple had influence over these since they are not the least bit durable, perform at a level far below their price point, and place form over function. Even then, the Beats are gaudy as sin.

One of the biggest complaints with the Corvette C6 is the crappy build materials. Plastic. The thing falls apart as you drive. Plastic is a great material some plastics are extremely strong, durable, and light, but the Beats line got it all wrong. The headband or any part that is meant to flex is no place for plastic.

The Beats also creak, rattle, and feel extremely cheap and delicate. I still have not figured out why people defend these headphones so dearly when they are just so terrible."

"You should not have to baby headphones. It's ridiculous. Especially ones that are meant to be portable. Build quality would not be such a gripe with headphones that are meant to be used with high-end desktop audio components, like the Audeze LCD-2, but the Beats are meant to be used with portable DAPs. Therefore, it is a requirement that they be built well."

"Even assuming the user didn't take care of them, it's still a fault on Monster for not using durable materials. For Christ's sake, they cost $300! They should at least make metal reinforced headbands for them at that price. Look at this:
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This is a $150 headphone. ($100 refurbished) Sure, it's not as pretty, but I've literally been able to club people with one of these. Can you do that with Beats?

The point is that Monster uses shoddy materials in a product that costs $300. The Beyerdynamics I used as an example have a headband that's made of solid aluminum and still manage to make a profit. The Beats use a headband made of brittle plastic. They didn't even use good plastic! What does that tell you? Plastic is actually not that common of a material to use for good headphones too. Most have metal at the main stress points so the headbands won't snap. Heck, even the $70 Sony V6 is made mostly of metal.

Although it's not really that plastic sucks. The following headphone is made of good plastic.
"

And headphones are tools without moving parts. You shouldn't have to take care of them out of necessity. They should be durable by design. The only moving part is the driver, which is made of a magnet and mylar, being moved by an electrical current. There's absolutely no reason for a headband to break. These cost $300; the fact that these can break shows that Monster doesn't care to invest in a product that will last their users years. And the fact that people buy them anyways shows how pathetic our culture is...it doesn't matter if we waste $300, a previously astronomical price, buying a product that'll only last a few years, max, as long as we look cool.

Case in point, I have a pair of headphones from 1960. Actually, the stamped date of production is December 25, 1960. Not even the cable has broken, much less the metal headband. And they're my best sounding headphones. So much for progress

"Studios and Pros break just as easily as Solos. For some reason, Monster decided to make the cups of the Pros aluminum but not reinforce the headband. The Studios break just as often as the Solos. For example, I was talking to someone yesterday with a pair of Studios on that he really seemed to take care of since they were so shiny. He took him off his neck to put it on his head and the headband snapped. I wish I took a picture of it, but it'd have added insult to injury..."

"People are reckless, therefore people are the true test of the durability of a product. Beats have repeatedly failed this test. They are portable headphones which have to be held to higher standards. I can't believe you people are still defending these headphones when there is so much evidence against them and you've been proven wrong time and time again."

"true but alot more headphones have this [bass] then you think like literally beats are WAAY overpiced and overhyped. this is coming from some1 with a lot of music experience. My godfather owns a nightclub my dad has a 15k stereo system and i go to the detroit music festival every year. beats just exagerate the bass a **** ton which is easy to do its just that it drowns out the real music. real highquality headphones have great base and dont exagerate it leaving the person able to hear the highs which is normally if its loud and still has perfect highs its a good headphone or system
-JackFX"

"It's funny when people buy the studio edition and think they are cool. When true studio head phones should never be bass heavy at all. They should always be neutral. Basically it is a headset for people who have a lot of money and no real musical talent or even taste.
-RDCA"

"didn't really need proof..
i've known that beats "suck" ever since i got into sound engineering.
It's a shame so many kids are so **** stupid and think they're the best.
-Fan"

"Sony mdr xb500's destroy beats with the specs and the price they where 50
the sonys - 4-24,000 Hz lower the first number the lower the bass..
Sony mdr xb500's 104 Db, the reason why there only 104 db is because the sound is even and good quality unlike the beats.
Dr dre studio pros.
20-20,000 115 Db
oh and the tours well you can get similar headphones for 17
Doesn't that prove to anybody how **** dr beats are, i agree they look alright
but there not worth the price tags

Overall The sony's and Jvc's are better simply because of the price tag and the amount of power you get for it..
Jvc explosive in ear headphones are the same as tours for 17
and the bass is better and them headphones..
Also the sony mdr xb500's are on the low end of the Xb range
-dava96"



"The thing that's really annoying though is that there are myriad headphones that do the exact same thing Beats do, but better, for much cheaper. I mean it's cool to defend your purchase, but only if you have legitimate facts and comparisons to back your stance. What I mean by that is that if you're saying Beats are the best thing ever, you better have tried a Sennheiser HD650, AKG K701, Sony XB1000, Grado SR325i, and a Beyerdynamic DT990--all of which cost about the same as the Studios, or even cheaper. Otherwise, you're talking out of your **** and if you do that in the real world, you'll be eaten alive just as much, maybe even more. We aren't disputing theoretical preferences (Sound is just as objective as subjective; a violin will always sound like a violin, a guitar, only a guitar. As humans, we tend to want natural sound, which anything super bassy doesn't give us, but we can be tricked into wanting something different.), we're disputing the incessant ignorance that runs rabidly within the Beats society. (Not the Beat Generation though. Those were some cool cats.) But still, Beats are objectively bad. Subjectively, maybe something else, but they legitimately are far from impressive.

What r00t_b33r says is kind of really pretentious (and kind of unnecessary since the poster probably didn't read any of the thread), but it's not nearly as pretentious as, "well you just can't afford them". It's like Beats are a grail of an object. Not really, even in an objective sense. They aren't expensive when taking the fact that there are headphones that cost $7,000 into account, they don't sound very nice at all, nor are they really a good value in any sense. They just teach our generation that it's okay to pay for what's essentially advertising costs as long as other people have them and it makes them look cool, which I guess is a case of Social Darwinism at its finest, in that the people that always follow the crowd will probably suck in the future, but still. I don't like that Monster is getting all this money and influencing the market in such a way. They may lead some people to getting better headphones, but for the rest of their customers, they will expect a colored sound in everything, which may ruin the music industry even more than it is today.

Y'see, the thing I don't like is that the popularity of Beats is that it shows a precedence that companies can make a sub-par headphone with crappy build and sell it for insane profit as long as it looks good, making a mockery of consumers. That's not really what we want. I mean, if the Beats sounded good and were made like a pair of headphones should be, most people wouldn't give a damn. Well, we'd still be annoyed by some of the owners, but that's easier to deal with. The main thing though is that it's going to start a trend of headphones that are minimalistic to the wrong degree."

Why you should still care about spending money on good headphones:
"Because in an ideal circumstance, the $300 headphone will sound exponentially better. The thing I really don't like about our generation is that music just isn't something that's really important in our lives. Sure, we may listen to it, but we don't really appreciate it. A couple decades ago, a really nice stereo system was drooled after, kind of like a huge TV nowadays. If someone had a pair of ESL63's, they were probably the best family ever. Now, if someone had a pair of ESL63's, your average Joe would complain about how ugly they look and how they have no bass."

And to cast out the idea that we're just poor people that can't afford them:
"I've used at least 10 different pairs of Beats. They're crap. And I could afford them if I wanted to.

My collection:
ACS T15 ($230)
AKG K4 ($15)
AKG K271S ($60)
Audio Technica ATH-2 ($30)
Beyerdynamic DT220 ($20)
Beyerdynamic DT48 (Secret, but retail is $450)
Brainwavz M1 ($30)
Brainwavz M3 ($80)
eSmooth ES360EB
eSmooth ES530EB
eSmooth ES610BB (I have no idea how much these are actually. They were gifts)
Klipsch Image One ($30ish, retail is $150)
Koss Ksc-75 ($5 )
Koss PortaPro ($30)
Koss Technician VFR ($20)
MEElectronics A151 ($60)
MEElectronics CX21 ($20)
MEElectronics CW31 ($30)
MEElectronics CC51 ($55)
MEElectronics M9 ($15)
MEElectronics M16 ($20)
MEElectronics M21 ($25)
MEElectronics M31 ($35)
MEElectronics SP51 ($45)
Monster Turbine Pro Copper ($400)
Monster Turbine Pro Gold ($300)
Phiaton PS 20 NC ($150)
Philips SHE3580 ($5)
Philips "The Stretch" ($15, retail is $80)
Prodipe Pro800 ($40)
Realistic Pro 50 ($60)
Sennheiser HD201 ($15)
Skullcandy Smokin' Buds ($15)
Skullcandy Uprock (One of the few things Skullcandy has made that doesn't sound bad) ($18)
Smeggipucks x2 ($100+cost of wood)
Spidercable Tinyear ($40)
Sony J20 ($10)
Sony EX-082 (Free with DAP)
Ultimate Ears Super.fi 4 ($30)
V-Moda Bass Freq ($15)
XePort 3010 ($10)
XePort 5010 ($15)
XePort 7010 ($20)

Total: $2,468. (I may have done a miscalculation or two, but that's a roughly accurate number) And I'm missing some things. I didn't want to seem elitist, but if you're going to go there and just assume we're just jealous of Beats owners, we're not.

Aaaand just another thing to cast any doubts that I've tried legit stuff. Stuff I've had:
AKG K240DF ($100)
Audio Technica A500 ($70)
Brainwavz B2 ($170)
Fanny Wang On Ear ($150)
Hifiman HE500 ($600)
Hifiman RE272 ($250)

Total with this: $3,808.

Wait, there's more! Here's a list of headphones worth mentioning I've had the pleasure of demoing:
Audio Technica M50 ($150)
JVC Victor DX1000 ($1,000 and is the BEST bass heavy headphone for all I care for)
Sony PFR-V1 ($500)
Sony SA5000 ($700)
Ultrasone PRO750 ($300)

Hope this dispels out any theories that we're just jealous."