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ExoticWolfs wrote Ok, Pyre, say you lived here your whole life and you were a citizen of the US. You would NOT be saying ban the gun's. Because you just don't get it and you think it will be the solution to everything.

No, believe it or not, there are some people that don't want to own a firearm, ever. Even if I lived in America, I wouldn't want to be associated with guns.

But the problem is, you haven't lived here your whole life! You don't see it the same way as we do. If you did live here, you probably would have some sort of gun.

That may be. But as a neutral party, I'm in favor of a gun-ban. It's worked for other countries, why not the US.

I am sorry for butting in on this conversation. But I do see your point in this. I am an American born citizen. And, at first I never wanted a gun. But after moving down to the state of Kentucky, I realized that having a gun means you can do so much. You can hunt for food, shoot targets for fun, etc. But a gun-ban will do the US no good. If they did ban it, in my opinion, there will be a lot more riots in the US because over 90% of the American population has a gun in there house for safety.

And, in no way am I trying to say you are wrong, and I am right. But I do respect what you said, and it makes a valid point.

Thanks. Atleast someone isn't ignorant. It works both ways aswell, I can see positives of having a gun, don't get me wrong, but I think a human life is more important than hunting for buck.

Looking back at almost everything you posted, what you are trying to say is banning guns will stop killing. Which there are other ways you can kill, you know that right?

No. I'm trying to say that banning guns will stop gun crime.

GUN CRIME?! You don't have to have a gun to kill somebody! If they want to do it bad enough, they will, no matter what it takes.

Referring back to more statistics. Gun crime makes up 40% of the homicides in the US. If guns were banned, that's get vastly reduced. Thus reducing almost 1/3 of the killings in the US.

Referring back to my statement. If they wan't to do it bad enough, they will! With a gun or not, it will happen.

Yes, but without the gun the chances are cut by a third.

So you say if they don't have a gun, they are just going to give up. Not even try to kill them another way, stop just looking at the guns point of view, there are also knifes....

-R3cKL3SSxPro- wrote Dear Pyre I think you don't understand that the problem not just the gun that all you care about the gun.
How is geting rid of the guns going to make me feel safe , someome thats mental ill could easily build a gun and come into my house and shoot me. **** what do I do call the police o wait they don't have a gun, fight back no o yeah talk him out of it logical

Adam Lanza Killed his mom how sick do you have to be.

Your family one day-honey there someone Breaking in... Ill talk him out of this bang bang your kids are died, his come for you wait let me talk to him man put the gun down (no your dead)
Or honey someone Brealing ok I'll grab the shot gun you get the 45 get to the kids room. Bang mans Dead family's alive. Your kids live to see Another day and dady will do anything to protect them

I don't take murder Lightly, my dad was a police officer and one of good friends was guned down in a police car on break haveing a conversation on the phone with his wife. the gun was found later on and it was legal.



Okay, you're an embarrassment to anyone in here trying to have a serious debate. You're talking about murder as if it was nothing. Yes, I'd have to risk myself by disarming someone, or I could use simple psychology to try and calm the attacker down. Not shoot him.

Dear Reckless Pro, where are you from? And do you know proper English?

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If a mentally ill person built a gun, I'd be quite impressed.

Clover- wrote Can we stop about all the Gun-Ban, Gun Crime flaming going back in forth? Either way, it is not the Governments choice. They can make a Bill for it, but they will need citizens to vote on it, I believe. I may be wrong, and if I am. Please correct me. But Gun-Ban will only cause more Gun Crime.

OT: I am sorry to hear about the kid who got shot. It is a shame that sick, twisted adults need to kill innocent kids.

Unfortunately, no. Congress does what it wants. They passed the Patriot Act and NDAA. Gave backdoor bailouts to banks and giant corporations. Now some senator(s) want to arm children in schools.

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Once again, I'll refer you back to my previous post. In Britain, the last mass shooting at a school was 40 years ago. We haven't had one since we put a ban in place afterwards. Yes, there's always going to be psychotic murderers out there, but, I'd feel much safer if I knew those phycho's didn't have a gun in their hand (which I do feel safe because I know they can't go to the nearest store and pick up an assault rifle).

Point is, you Americans can sit back and just watch these mass shootings of innocent kids go on and at the end of the day, all you care about are your guns. I mean, how many more shootings of presidents or innocent people will it take before you ban them?

What good is that doing for you guys. Sitting back and watching kids die? And it isnt easy just to get rid of guns, there would be so much more problems.

Ugh, why can't you ignorant people comprehend that if there were no guns, you wouldn't need guns to protect yourselves. Yes, it'll be difficult, but surely that's better in the long run?

What about all the guns that people already own? You think the military is going to rush into millions of peoples homes and find every gun and destroy it? Just the thought scares me. The riots and protests would be insane.. No need to call us ignorant when we are just debating. :facepalm:

I have no idea how the American government would handle banning guns. But they should do it. Blah blah blah it's against my rights. What about those kids who were shot innocently? They HAD rights, and now, because some crazy kid was able to buy a gun at a store, took away their rights.

Okay, I'm going to give you a hypothetical question, say one of your parents, or close relatives was shot dead for NO reason, would you be or against guns? Give me an honest answer.

Yea um I know for a fact a KID did not just walk up into a gun store and buy a gun. He got it from someone. And yea that kind of stuff happens, and I would be pretty upset but we can't just go out and ban every single gun. People die from illegal and legal drugs too, so how do we go about stopping that? All I know is changing the Constitution would make Americans furious. Why don't we just go back to school security, since so many killings are happening at schools now?

Actually, gun show loopholes. You can literally walk up to a guy at a gun show and buy 10 AR-15s without background checks, a drivers license, or proof of residency. All you have to do is show him the money. If drugs were legalized and regulated, there would be less ODs. Patriot Act and NDAA got rid of our 1st amendment. Americans didn't care. So our schools should be more like third world countries? Where your kids can get shot for being kids.

After reading doing a google search about gun show loopholes, I found that regulated gun shows require background checks for gun purchases. You can buy guns illegally from alot of places though. It's the same with any other illegal thing in the U.S.
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Yahoo answers is opinionated. The other site isnt really credible since its a sub domain.

All you have to do is go up to a person selling from his "private collection" and buy the guns. You do not have to have a license to sell your guns at a gun show(in most areas).

NOTE: I have looked for the specific clip about the Vangaurd documantery and only found this clip. I do NOT always share views with current and the young turks.

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People would buy AR-15s illegally if gun bans were placed on them. Some things you just can't stop. Gun bans = enraged Americans who want their 2nd Amendment, no protection for people that were actually responsible with their guns before the ban, and an advantage to bad people that buy guns illegally.

So you say if they don't have a gun, they are just going to give up. Not even try to kill them another way, stop just looking at the guns point of view, there are also knifes....

I'm looking at a guns point of view because that's what subject we're on. A kid being shot in the head, a school being shot up and a movie theater. Tell me, how many mass murders happen with weapons that aren't guns compared to guns?

-R3cKL3SSxPro- wrote Dear Pyre I think you don't understand that the problem not just the gun that all you care about the gun.
How is geting rid of the guns going to make me feel safe , someome thats mental ill could easily build a gun and come into my house and shoot me. **** what do I do call the police o wait they don't have a gun, fight back no o yeah talk him out of it logical

Adam Lanza Killed his mom how sick do you have to be.

Your family one day-honey there someone Breaking in... Ill talk him out of this bang bang your kids are died, his come for you wait let me talk to him man put the gun down (no your dead)
Or honey someone Brealing ok I'll grab the shot gun you get the 45 get to the kids room. Bang mans Dead family's alive. Your kids live to see Another day and dady will do anything to protect them

I don't take murder Lightly, my dad was a police officer and one of good friends was guned down in a police car on break haveing a conversation on the phone with his wife. the gun was found later on and it was legal.



Okay, you're an embarrassment to anyone in here trying to have a serious debate. You're talking about murder as if it was nothing. Yes, I'd have to risk myself by disarming someone, or I could use simple psychology to try and calm the attacker down. Not shoot him.

Thank you for understanding! There are other ways to kill, only if he could see that.

i respect all views in this debate but pyre, it has been more recently than 40 years that we have had a Mass shooting in a school. The Dunblane school massacre which Andy Murray was involved in killed a lot of children and injured lots more and that was in 1996

it's so tragic to see gun violence soaring in the press now-a-days

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ExoticWolfs wrote Ok, Pyre, say you lived here your whole life and you were a citizen of the US. You would NOT be saying ban the gun's. Because you just don't get it and you think it will be the solution to everything.

No, believe it or not, there are some people that don't want to own a firearm, ever. Even if I lived in America, I wouldn't want to be associated with guns.

But the problem is, you haven't lived here your whole life! You don't see it the same way as we do. If you did live here, you probably would have some sort of gun.

That may be. But as a neutral party, I'm in favor of a gun-ban. It's worked for other countries, why not the US.

I am sorry for butting in on this conversation. But I do see your point in this. I am an American born citizen. And, at first I never wanted a gun. But after moving down to the state of Kentucky, I realized that having a gun means you can do so much. You can hunt for food, shoot targets for fun, etc. But a gun-ban will do the US no good. If they did ban it, in my opinion, there will be a lot more riots in the US because over 90% of the American population has a gun in there house for safety.

And, in no way am I trying to say you are wrong, and I am right. But I do respect what you said, and it makes a valid point.

Thanks. Atleast someone isn't ignorant. It works both ways aswell, I can see positives of having a gun, don't get me wrong, but I think a human life is more important than hunting for buck.

Looking back at almost everything you posted, what you are trying to say is banning guns will stop killing. Which there are other ways you can kill, you know that right?

No. I'm trying to say that banning guns will stop gun crime.

GUN CRIME?! You don't have to have a gun to kill somebody! If they want to do it bad enough, they will, no matter what it takes.

Referring back to more statistics. Gun crime makes up 40% of the homicides in the US. If guns were banned, that's get vastly reduced. Thus reducing almost 1/3 of the killings in the US.

Referring back to my statement. If they wan't to do it bad enough, they will! With a gun or not, it will happen.

Yes, but without the gun the chances are cut by a third.

So you say if they don't have a gun, they are just going to give up. Not even try to kill them another way, stop just looking at the guns point of view, there are also knifes....

I'm looking at a guns point of view because that's what subject we're on. A kid being shot in the head, a school being shot up and a movie theater. Tell me, how many mass murders happen with weapons that aren't guns compared to guns?

But taking the guns out are going to increase mass murders with other weapons!

VexerZ wrote i respect all views in this debate but pyre, it has been more recently than 40 years that we have had a Mass shooting in a school. The Dunblane school massacre which Andy Murray was involved in killed a lot of children and injured lots more and that was in 1996

it's so tragic to see gun violence soaring in the press now-a-days

Oh yeah. Sorry, I completely disregarded Dunblane. Point still valid though, ever since the law was enforced, gun crime rates have been reduced.

-R3cKL3SSxPro- wrote Dear Pyre I think you don't understand that the problem not just the gun that all you care about the gun.
How is geting rid of the guns going to make me feel safe , someome thats mental ill could easily build a gun and come into my house and shoot me. **** what do I do call the police o wait they don't have a gun, fight back no o yeah talk him out of it logical

Adam Lanza Killed his mom how sick do you have to be.

Your family one day-honey there someone Breaking in... Ill talk him out of this bang bang your kids are died, his come for you wait let me talk to him man put the gun down (no your dead)
Or honey someone Brealing ok I'll grab the shot gun you get the 45 get to the kids room. Bang mans Dead family's alive. Your kids live to see Another day and dady will do anything to protect them

I don't take murder Lightly, my dad was a police officer and one of good friends was guned down in a police car on break haveing a conversation on the phone with his wife. the gun was found later on and it was legal.



Okay, you're an embarrassment to anyone in here trying to have a serious debate. You're talking about murder as if it was nothing. Yes, I'd have to risk myself by disarming someone, or I could use simple psychology to try and calm the attacker down. Not shoot him.

You might have a good point, but I can't really understand it because of the unnecessary capitalizations and misspelled words.