fknvlink wrote

Lecter wrote

DNF wrote

Lecter wrote

Cen wrote

Lecter wrote There was that story not too long ago about two dogs mauling a 6 day old baby to death.
They put the dogs down, and, as far as I know, no charges have been pressed against the parents who left a 6 day old baby alone with 2 big dogs and expected nothing to go wrong.

I don't like humankind at all, I sincerely believe that we were an evolutionary mistake, and that we should simply stop breeding.
Some people might call that insane or rash but, can anyone really tell me that Earth is better off now than it was 200,000 years ago?

lmao

I'm not going to kill myself because it's "good for the earth".

You can't honestly convince me you give a **** about what happens to the earth 1,000 years from now?

I didn't say kill ourselves...
I said stop breeding, there's quite a big difference.

Also, it doesn't matter if I care about the Earth 1000 years from now, right now on this planet and for the past 200,000 years things have been hellish.
If there is no one to feel the pain of a life on this planet then there is essentially no pain.
That's all I care about.

I'm not going to kill myself over this belief, or not have children, it's a belief that I will never act on specifically because I don't care about what happens to the Earth in 1000 years.

You think we should stop breeding, yet you wish to breed in the future? You comment as if we are savage untamed animals, one could argue that point however in the democratic world we live in, we do not "breed".


Humans are evolutionarily the most developed species, as thus we will continue to reproduce and life will go on. Animals are of a lower species than us, they are lower in the food chain. Have any of you even heard of survival of the fittest? If we were not the evolutionary pinnacle we would be at a level where dogs and cats and mice, had just as much power in the world as us humans.

Just a point to nullify the thread, both a tedious and stupid topic.

The only tedious post on this thread is yours, thinking you can end it with one fell swoop of your 'logic.'

Just because we're the most advanced species doesn't mean that our existence is a good thing.
I have actually heard of 'survival of the fittest,' the English adapted that into something called 'Social Darwinism' and the last person who took that too seriously was a little boy from Austria named Adolf.

We are savage animals, but we have been tamed by society.
We all live in accordance with social norms and agreements that we don't even realize are there.
I won't kill you if you don't kill me etc.
Take people out of society and watch how quickly these agreements deteriorate.

I am sorry but you must have autism. Humans are better then every animal in every way. That is not to say we shouldn't punish people for the mistreating of animals tho. We are the top of the food chain and if a certain animal can't handle that then maybe it is better off not existing. If you think that humans are a disgrace then please do us a favour buy jumping off the tallest building you can find. And that point about hitler was just full autist.

Humans are not better than animals in every way.

And I disagree with you Lecter. This earth was put here to be support life. We shouldn't stop breeding because it would make Earth better. Earth was made for living animals to enjoy life. Why waste that?

SiIver wrote

fknvlink wrote

Lecter wrote

DNF wrote

Lecter wrote

Cen wrote

Lecter wrote There was that story not too long ago about two dogs mauling a 6 day old baby to death.
They put the dogs down, and, as far as I know, no charges have been pressed against the parents who left a 6 day old baby alone with 2 big dogs and expected nothing to go wrong.

I don't like humankind at all, I sincerely believe that we were an evolutionary mistake, and that we should simply stop breeding.
Some people might call that insane or rash but, can anyone really tell me that Earth is better off now than it was 200,000 years ago?

lmao

I'm not going to kill myself because it's "good for the earth".

You can't honestly convince me you give a **** about what happens to the earth 1,000 years from now?

I didn't say kill ourselves...
I said stop breeding, there's quite a big difference.

Also, it doesn't matter if I care about the Earth 1000 years from now, right now on this planet and for the past 200,000 years things have been hellish.
If there is no one to feel the pain of a life on this planet then there is essentially no pain.
That's all I care about.

I'm not going to kill myself over this belief, or not have children, it's a belief that I will never act on specifically because I don't care about what happens to the Earth in 1000 years.

You think we should stop breeding, yet you wish to breed in the future? You comment as if we are savage untamed animals, one could argue that point however in the democratic world we live in, we do not "breed".


Humans are evolutionarily the most developed species, as thus we will continue to reproduce and life will go on. Animals are of a lower species than us, they are lower in the food chain. Have any of you even heard of survival of the fittest? If we were not the evolutionary pinnacle we would be at a level where dogs and cats and mice, had just as much power in the world as us humans.

Just a point to nullify the thread, both a tedious and stupid topic.

The only tedious post on this thread is yours, thinking you can end it with one fell swoop of your 'logic.'

Just because we're the most advanced species doesn't mean that our existence is a good thing.
I have actually heard of 'survival of the fittest,' the English adapted that into something called 'Social Darwinism' and the last person who took that too seriously was a little boy from Austria named Adolf.

We are savage animals, but we have been tamed by society.
We all live in accordance with social norms and agreements that we don't even realize are there.
I won't kill you if you don't kill me etc.
Take people out of society and watch how quickly these agreements deteriorate.

I am sorry but you must have autism. Humans are better then every animal in every way. That is not to say we shouldn't punish people for the mistreating of animals tho. We are the top of the food chain and if a certain animal can't handle that then maybe it is better off not existing. If you think that humans are a disgrace then please do us a favour buy jumping off the tallest building you can find. And that point about hitler was just full autist.

Humans are not better than animals in every way.

And I disagree with you Lecter. This earth was put here to be support life. We shouldn't stop breeding because it would make Earth better. Earth was made for living animals to enjoy life. Why waste that?

ok, the earth wasn't put here it was created by chances. secondly how are we not better then animals. We are smarter. I am talking on a species level not a personal one.

Lecter wrote There was that story not too long ago about two dogs mauling a 6 day old baby to death.
They put the dogs down, and, as far as I know, no charges have been pressed against the parents who left a 6 day old baby alone with 2 big dogs and expected nothing to go wrong.

I don't like humankind at all, I sincerely believe that we were an evolutionary mistake, and that we should simply stop breeding.
Some people might call that insane or rash but, can anyone really tell me that Earth is better off now than it was 200,000 years ago?

All evolution is by chance so whether it's a mistake or not I guess is a matter of opinion. But as far as humankind, I'd say we've come pretty far in terms of how we can in society. Back in ancient times we were not very nice people and we did some unthinkable acts that would not be acceptable in today's society.

Lecter wrote There was that story not too long ago about two dogs mauling a 6 day old baby to death.
They put the dogs down, and, as far as I know, no charges have been pressed against the parents who left a 6 day old baby alone with 2 big dogs and expected nothing to go wrong.

I don't like humankind at all, I sincerely believe that we were an evolutionary mistake, and that we should simply stop breeding.
Some people might call that insane or rash but, can anyone really tell me that Earth is better off now than it was 200,000 years ago?

Man, I am all behind that idea. I can't stand humans. I (usually) love people though, if that makes sense. I love the conscience of the individual. That is the part of people I care about. As for the human race in general, I have no problem with the extinction of the race. I just want it to be painless, which just avoid breeding would work pretty well. That happening though is not possible at all unless 100% of humans just became sterile all of a sudden.

I know there is still chaos in the world with animals killing one another, but it wouldn't be the same level as what we do to them. We kill for food, for money, and even for fun. We even destroy their habitats, sometimes for the most useless things. I just don't think the world is meant for creatures that are so self aware, intelligent*, and aggressive. If we actually cared for everything, I wouldn't have a problem. There are ways to live side by side without war or without completely destroying habitats.

*I use the term 'intelligent' loosely. We are smart and can build things, but intelligent isn't being war hungry and money worshippers.

Silver wrote And I disagree with you Lecter. This earth was put here to be support life. We shouldn't stop breeding because it would make Earth better. Earth was made for living animals to enjoy life. Why waste that?

I'm getting the impression that you believe the Earth and humans were created by a deity, if I'm wrong about that please correct me, but you said 'made' as though the Earth has a purpose.
I don't believe that the Earth has a purpose, I think it formed at just the right point in space where it could support life. That's it.
I don't believe that there is anything special about that life, and there is an abundance of everything but enjoyment in the natural world.

fknvlink wrote Humans are better then every animal in every way. That is not to say we shouldn't punish people for the mistreating of animals tho. We are the top of the food chain and if a certain animal can't handle that then maybe it is better off not existing. If you think that we are a disgrace... [yadayadayada something about a bridge.]

ok, the earth wasn't put here it was created by chances. secondly how are we not better then animals. We are smarter. I am talking on a species level not a personal one.

Humans aren't better than every animal in every way.
Run faster than a Cheetah, see better than a Hawk, swim faster than a dolphin.
The only reason that we are 'better' is because we use technology, and right there, I think is the mistake.
When an animal develops the cognitive ability, and population size, needed for them to destroy the planet looking for resources how can that not be seen as a mistake?

Cokes wrote All evolution is by chance so whether it's a mistake or not I guess is a matter of opinion. But as far as humankind, I'd say we've come pretty far in terms of how we can in society. Back in ancient times we were not very nice people and we did some unthinkable acts that would not be acceptable in today's society.

Evolution isn't exactly by chance, it's species' ability to change to fit their environment over a large amount of time.
This is why I disagree with people [not you] when they say that, "Animals which can't survive are better off dying out" We are at the point now in which if that were true then every animal on Earth would be extinct because nobody can match us.

Humans are off the evolutionary scale, while it is still affecting us, we are more heavily influenced by the development of technology, but humans really aren't that smart.
It took us 90 Billion lives to work out that bacteria existed.
It took us 60 Billion lives to invent the wheel.
Over the past 500 years we've had a technological explosion of one obvious leap to the next, and we have the audacity to stand up on top of it and call ourselves better than everything else.

Humans aren't that civilized, in Western society we are mainly quelled by the laws imposed on us.
Like I've said though, if you take people out of society then our true nature shines through.
Just look at Ukraine, or any country in the Middle East.
If humans are so innately civilized then why is this happening?
It's because we aren't.

If the only reason that we can be nice to one another is because society says so then how can we act like we're so much better than every other animal on Earth?

I would have to say that in many ways we are better than animals.
We have art and literature ,We have science ,We have medicine and we have the power to make all life pleasant for all species.
Animals only have instinct.

I would have to say that we are the cancer of this planet
We destroy every area we move too and we spread almost uncontrollably and we are driven by the sickness that is money and possession.
We are indeed destined to destroy ourselves.

Both the above statements are true.
Like most things on this plane of existence ,There are two sides to every story.

I have to disagree, humans should be prioritized over animals because 1. They live a hell of a lot longer. and 2. They have the potential to make things happen and do good things for the world. Let's face it, animals are wild and don't know right from wrong.

But what I DO HATE to see is cruelty to animals, I would much rather see the human that's being cruel to animals die rather than the poor defenseless animal.

steffess92 wrote I have to disagree, humans should be prioritized over animals because 1. They live a hell of a lot longer. and 2. They have the potential to make things happen and do good things for the world. Let's face it, animals are wild and don't know right from wrong.

But what I DO HATE to see is cruelty to animals, I would much rather see the human that's being cruel to animals die rather than the poor defenseless animal.

Galapagos tortoises can live for 170 years.
Should they be prioritized over us?

Potential doesn't make a difference.
I could have the potential to become brilliant at playing the piano, if I don't act on that potential then it might as well have not been there.
The fact that we don't act on our potential, and are still stuck fighting over silly things when we could put all of our energy into working for the future, is why we are not important, or different from animals.

Lecter wrote

Silver wrote And I disagree with you Lecter. This earth was put here to be support life. We shouldn't stop breeding because it would make Earth better. Earth was made for living animals to enjoy life. Why waste that?

I'm getting the impression that you believe the Earth and humans were created by a deity, if I'm wrong about that please correct me, but you said 'made' as though the Earth has a purpose.
I don't believe that the Earth has a purpose, I think it formed at just the right point in space where it could support life. That's it.
I don't believe that there is anything special about that life, and there is an abundance of everything but enjoyment in the natural world.

fknvlink wrote Humans are better then every animal in every way. That is not to say we shouldn't punish people for the mistreating of animals tho. We are the top of the food chain and if a certain animal can't handle that then maybe it is better off not existing. If you think that we are a disgrace... [yadayadayada something about a bridge.]

ok, the earth wasn't put here it was created by chances. secondly how are we not better then animals. We are smarter. I am talking on a species level not a personal one.

Humans aren't better than every animal in every way.
Run faster than a Cheetah, see better than a Hawk, swim faster than a dolphin.
The only reason that we are 'better' is because we use technology, and right there, I think is the mistake.
When an animal develops the cognitive ability, and population size, needed for them to destroy the planet looking for resources how can that not be seen as a mistake?

Cokes wrote All evolution is by chance so whether it's a mistake or not I guess is a matter of opinion. But as far as humankind, I'd say we've come pretty far in terms of how we can in society. Back in ancient times we were not very nice people and we did some unthinkable acts that would not be acceptable in today's society.

Evolution isn't exactly by chance, it's species' ability to change to fit their environment over a large amount of time.
This is why I disagree with people [not you] when they say that, "Animals which can't survive are better off dying out" We are at the point now in which if that were true then every animal on Earth would be extinct because nobody can match us.

Humans are off the evolutionary scale, while it is still affecting us, we are more heavily influenced by the development of technology, but humans really aren't that smart.
It took us 90 Billion lives to work out that bacteria existed.
It took us 60 Billion lives to invent the wheel.
Over the past 500 years we've had a technological explosion of one obvious leap to the next, and we have the audacity to stand up on top of it and call ourselves better than everything else.

Humans aren't that civilized, in Western society we are mainly quelled by the laws imposed on us.
Like I've said though, if you take people out of society then our true nature shines through.
Just look at Ukraine, or any country in the Middle East.
If humans are so innately civilized then why is this happening?
It's because we aren't.

If the only reason that we can be nice to one another is because society says so then how can we act like we're so much better than every other animal on Earth?

If humans weren't civilised then god almighty why is the world not a anarchy ridden place. Society is what we conform to, radicalism and extreme cases suggest that we aren't nice to each other, the rest of the world gets along in harmony.

As for your Ukraine part; comes to cowardice, fear of a ruler. Not because the whole country is a bunch of beans who are war hungry.

As for the intelligence of humans, I completely disagree with your statement about our intelligence. We are the most intelligent species, until there is another species capable of what we are the point you made is nulled. Yes, cheetahs run faster than humans, that is evolution; "Survival of the fittest". This comes form the point that cheetahs evolved to be fast to catch their prey. Giraffes have long necks to reach food from a greater height. The list goes on and on.

I love all animals and I think that humans and animals should be treated the same or if anything they should be treated better than us as they are dependant on us for example we need to feed them they cant just grab a cake out of the kitchen. Also they are harmless unless you train them to be aggressive or violent.

People who disagree them should be hated themselves for being so selfish to a living thing that has the same rights as us!

Are you stupid? By that logic, the animals in the wild are both safe and harmless, just need to be trained to be violent. Animals that kill a human do not deserve the right to a trial, simply put, your point is stupid.

Lecter wrote

steffess92 wrote I have to disagree, humans should be prioritized over animals because 1. They live a hell of a lot longer. and 2. They have the potential to make things happen and do good things for the world. Let's face it, animals are wild and don't know right from wrong.

But what I DO HATE to see is cruelty to animals, I would much rather see the human that's being cruel to animals die rather than the poor defenseless animal.

Galapagos tortoises can live for 170 years.
Should they be prioritized over us?

Potential doesn't make a difference.
I could have the potential to become brilliant at playing the piano, if I don't act on that potential then it might as well have not been there.
The fact that we don't act on our potential, and are still stuck fighting over silly things when we could put all of our energy into working for the future, is why we are not important, or different from animals.

LOL It seems to me that you just hate the world in general, please don't commit suicide and seek professional help.

ON topic: having the potential to be a brilliant piano player doesn't make the world a better place, if you read my post properly you would realize that; and as for tortoises being prioritized that's just silly, I meant animals and general; NOT one specific species...

God... People these days, you contradicted yourself by ranting on people "fighting over silly little things", that my friend is A SILLY LITTLE THING.