Quick scoping takes no skill now its to easy to do I can win a free for all quick scoping faster than using a regular gun because its just to easy and needs to get fixed

I find it quite fun myself, it does take skill ;)

I think he means quick scoping should go away because it makes the game non realistic.
Not because he is bad at it or anything.

HTTK wrote I think he means quick scoping should go away because it makes the game non realistic.
Not because he is bad at it or anything.

I don't understand why people flamed OP. Quick scoping is too easy and takes no skill. I'm glad it's not going to be viable in AW. This means no more screaming pre teens screaming at the lobby to quick scope before a game starts.

**First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

ProJimmyRustler wrote

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

ProJimmyRustler wrote

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote

Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

No. I'm not saying that using your knife is an exploit. Read what I'm saying carefully.

There are people who run around every game using ONLY their knife. With commando and a tac knife, it's easy to get kills like this. Just like using sleight of hand and running around with a sniper is easy to get kills.

People using their knife like this wasn't intended. It was meant to be used if you were taken by surprise or were going into a close quarters situation.

That means that running around with your knife only every game is an exploit because you're not using the knife how it was originally intended to be used.