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ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

No. I'm not saying that using your knife is an exploit. Read what I'm saying carefully.

There are people who run around every game using ONLY their knife. With commando and a tac knife, it's easy to get kills like this. Just like using sleight of hand and running around with a sniper is easy to get kills.

People using their knife like this wasn't intended. It was meant to be used if you were taken by surprise or were going into a close quarters situation.

That means that running around with your knife only every game is an exploit because you're not using the knife how it was originally intended to be used.

I've read what you said. You aren't comparing to what I originally said correctly. I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is a mechanic in the game. It's purpose is to be close quarter kills. People who run around with a knife aren't exploiting any thing. Quick scoping is an exploit, because you are using a distance weapon and preforming an action (Quick scoping) that isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is meant to be in the game. When you run around and knife you are using it for its intend purpose, close quarters combat.

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ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

No. I'm not saying that using your knife is an exploit. Read what I'm saying carefully.

There are people who run around every game using ONLY their knife. With commando and a tac knife, it's easy to get kills like this. Just like using sleight of hand and running around with a sniper is easy to get kills.

People using their knife like this wasn't intended. It was meant to be used if you were taken by surprise or were going into a close quarters situation.

That means that running around with your knife only every game is an exploit because you're not using the knife how it was originally intended to be used.

I've read what you said. You aren't comparing to what I originally said correctly. I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is a mechanic in the game. It's purpose is to be close quarter kills. People who run around with a knife aren't exploiting any thing. Quick scoping is an exploit, because you are using a distance weapon and preforming an action (Quick scoping) that isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is meant to be in the game. When you run around and knife you are using it for its intend purpose, close quarters combat.

In relation to quick scoping, you said:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

In relation to only knifing, I'm saying:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a knife that is a one hit kill that is intended to be used occasionally, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

Are you changing your original definition of an exploit, because now you're saying:

I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game.

I don't really care one way or the other whether or not quick scoping is an exploit.
It bores me now. I just find this whole 'exploit' business interesting.

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ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

No. I'm not saying that using your knife is an exploit. Read what I'm saying carefully.

There are people who run around every game using ONLY their knife. With commando and a tac knife, it's easy to get kills like this. Just like using sleight of hand and running around with a sniper is easy to get kills.

People using their knife like this wasn't intended. It was meant to be used if you were taken by surprise or were going into a close quarters situation.

That means that running around with your knife only every game is an exploit because you're not using the knife how it was originally intended to be used.

I've read what you said. You aren't comparing to what I originally said correctly. I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is a mechanic in the game. It's purpose is to be close quarter kills. People who run around with a knife aren't exploiting any thing. Quick scoping is an exploit, because you are using a distance weapon and preforming an action (Quick scoping) that isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is meant to be in the game. When you run around and knife you are using it for its intend purpose, close quarters combat.

In relation to quick scoping, you said:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

In relation to only knifing, I'm saying:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a knife that is a one hit kill that is intended to be used occasionally, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

Are you changing your original definition of an exploit, because now you're saying:

I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game.

I don't really care one way or the other whether or not quick scoping is an exploit.
It bores me now. I just find this whole 'exploit' business interesting.

I never once changed my definition of "Exploit". I changed my wording of it, but the definition still remains.

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Labyrinth wrote

ProJimmyRustler wrote **First I'd like to say that I am a game developer, so I have some experience with game mechanics.

Basically the only arguments I've seen here is "Oh, you think it should go away, therefore you suck at it." This argument is false. Then you boil it down, it has nothing to do with skill. This isn't what the issue is about. This issue is that it is an exploit. You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used. You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players. I know this comment will spark some controversy, but that is what you see when you don't adopt a opinionated view on the topic. That is why they are trying to lessen the ability to quick scope. Some will argue, "It's in the game, how is it an exploit". This argument is invalid, because it wasn't an intended mechanic of the game. Think of the old prestige glitches. They were in the game originally, but not intended to be. When it comes down to it, Quick Scoping is a exploit. It wasn't intended to be in the game, but it can't be taken out without removing the ability to ADS with snipers.

What would you say about people like Only Use Me Blade who run around with commando and a tac knife on, which is quite easy to get kills with.
The knife wasn't intended to be used like that, and it isn't 'realistic' like so many people are arguing, does that make it an exploit?
And if it is an exploit? Should it be removed?

I'm just trying to get a sense of whether something being an exploit automatically makes it a bad thing which should be removed.

Commando is a perk that was meant to give you a farther knife range. It says that right in the description. Knifing is a mechanic that was meant to be in the game. I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Knifing is different then Quick Scoping by a long shot. One was intended, while the other wasn't.

I think if you asked a developer of one of the first call of duty games whether people running around only using their knife to get kills was intended they would say no, which, by your definition would mean that using a knife like that is an exploit.

No. You are misunderstanding what I was saying. Knifing is something that was meant to me in the game. IF we are still going off the example you stated, it would have nothing to do with "The first call of duty games". Quick Scoping was never intended to be in the game. That is fact. It has even been said by developers, which is why they are trying to remove it. What you are saying is that just because a gun gets kills it should be taken out.

No. I'm not saying that using your knife is an exploit. Read what I'm saying carefully.

There are people who run around every game using ONLY their knife. With commando and a tac knife, it's easy to get kills like this. Just like using sleight of hand and running around with a sniper is easy to get kills.

People using their knife like this wasn't intended. It was meant to be used if you were taken by surprise or were going into a close quarters situation.

That means that running around with your knife only every game is an exploit because you're not using the knife how it was originally intended to be used.

I've read what you said. You aren't comparing to what I originally said correctly. I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is a mechanic in the game. It's purpose is to be close quarter kills. People who run around with a knife aren't exploiting any thing. Quick scoping is an exploit, because you are using a distance weapon and preforming an action (Quick scoping) that isn't a mechanic in the game. Knifing is meant to be in the game. When you run around and knife you are using it for its intend purpose, close quarters combat.

In relation to quick scoping, you said:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a weapon that is largely a one shot kill that is intended for distance, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

In relation to only knifing, I'm saying:

You are using a mechanic in the game that wasn't originally intended to be used.
You have a knife that is a one hit kill that is intended to be used occasionally, and you are using it in ways that give you an advantage over other players.

Are you changing your original definition of an exploit, because now you're saying:

I'm saying that quick scoping in a whole isn't a mechanic in the game.

I don't really care one way or the other whether or not quick scoping is an exploit.
It bores me now. I just find this whole 'exploit' business interesting.

I never once changed my definition of "Exploit". I changed my wording of it, but the definition still remains.

You said people are using a mechanic in the game which wasn't meant to be used, then you said it isn't a mechanic.
You're either changing your definition, contradicting it, or you made a mistake.
Either way, it doesn't matter.

According to your definition, I would say that people running around using only a knife is an exploit of the knifing system, just like you would say that people running around using a sniper [quickly] is an exploit of the sniping system.

Haha no. Quickscoping is not an exploit, neither is using just a combat knife and commando. Its just a technique of using a weapon the creators put in the game. If the developer wanted it to be like that, its not an exploit.

Elevator glitching out the map with dual wield rayguns attached to quad death machines that fire blunder gatt rounds out is a exploit

Dude, this is the second quickscoping rant I've seen you post. Quickscoping isn't something people do to "get easy kills". Get over it.

Let me start by saying I quickscope.. For fun and not usually online too often. What pisses me off is the idiots on mw2 that SET UP with a dummy to hit shots on to put their bs vids on youtube.. Like go into a private match and do that sh**, either way you suck.

Eh, it actually takes some level of skill to quick scope. You have to aim, and make sure that you shoot at the right time so the bullet goes straight. Any sooner it would act as a no scope. You can't just randomly pick up a sniper and try quick scoping, because it's a skill you have to develop. Now noob tubing, that takes no skill.

How does Quick Scoping take no skill? With any other gun you basically spray the whole time. Quick Scoping is a lot harder then running around with a automatic..

Quickscoping is *an* exploit.

I wouldn't say that. People have probably already said this but it's not as easy as some people make it look.
Snipers that are bolt action take at least a second to pull the bolt back, if you miss once with a sniper in a 1 on 1 fight, you'll most likely loose.
Again people always bring up the aim assist thing. Why don't you use an assault rifle without it on then.
I snipe on PC as well, which doesn't have aim assist, I can tell you I honestly don't notice too much of a difference (given that one is with a mouse, the other a controller.)
Just because people are good at it, and it annoys you, doesn't make it an exploit.