BOISHT wrote I disagree they all have the right to step down/resign/ask for their name to be removed from the stands.

I have the right to pee all over the floor. That doesn't mean that I should.

He raped someone there's no other way of saying it.

And he served his time for it.

Females connected with the club have a right to be disgusted by the club. If any 'Normal' person was a convicted rapist they wouldn't be able to walk back into a job.The chances are they'd be unemployed for sometime before they found another job that would take them on. Therefore he shouldn't just walk back into such a privileged role.

I agree, and I disagree with that happening.
After the person has served their time it does no good to carry on punishing them, so they should be allowed back into whatever job they were doing.

What message does it send to the children watching him play? I'm sure parents would also want to boycott the club.

It sends the message that after you've been punished you get a second chance to behave again.

What message does it send to other footballers the commit crimes just as bad? That they can then walk back into society, a highly paid job without anyone saying they shouldn't be able to.

After they've served their time in prison, yes.

In my opinion the club would be STUPID to take him back as a player. Imagine the abuse he'll get everywhere he plays, he's just putting himself in harms way.

Most of the fans are actually on his side by the looks of things.

I agree, mike tyson raped a woman and people consider him to be a icon

Should the punishment for rape really be 2 and a half years in a prison?
Does that fix the issue? Probably not.

Under the current correctional system, he probably shouldn't be ostracised but I don't agree with such a system. He committed a serious wrong and people have a right to be annoyed about that, even after he's been to prison. If we welcome him back in to society with open arms, we're trivialising rape and advertising to potential rapists that the punishment is only a relatively short (in perspective) prison sentence - Following that, you can live a normal life.. It just doesn't seem right.

Of course this is a controversial issue and I respect everyone's right to an opinion (I just hope that you'll be as kind as to respect my opinion also)

OhDiegoCosta wrote Should the punishment for **** really be 2 and a half years in a prison?
Does that fix the issue? Probably not.

Under the current correctional system, he probably shouldn't be ostracised but I don't agree with such a system. He committed a serious wrong and people have a right to be annoyed about that, even after he's been to prison. If we welcome him back in to society with open arms, we're trivialising **** and advertising to potential rapists that the punishment is only a relatively short (in perspective) prison sentence - Following that, you can live a normal life.. It just doesn't seem right.

Of course this is a controversial issue and I respect everyone's right to an opinion (I just hope that you'll be as kind as to respect my opinion also)

The judge took a variety of factors into account when making the decision.
The woman was pretty much drunk out of her mind, she didn't say no, and it didn't cause her any bodily harm. But, both Ched and the other man involved should have seen that she was in no state to consent to sex, so he got 5 years, and it was reduced to 2 and a half for good behaviour.

This in no way sends out the message to people that it's OK to sexually abuse people, or that the punishment is only relatively short.

People keep saying 'People have the right to...' that doesn't mean that they should though.
It's not just about them being annoyed though, they're actively trying to impede his progress into becoming a functioning member of society again, which was the entire point of sending him to prison, punishment and rehabilitation.

If anything we're trivialising the justice and prison system. We send people there as punishment, not an intermediary position before the ostracising they're going to experience for the rest of their lives.

Labyrinth wrote

OhDiegoCosta wrote Should the punishment for **** really be 2 and a half years in a prison?
Does that fix the issue? Probably not.

Under the current correctional system, he probably shouldn't be ostracised but I don't agree with such a system. He committed a serious wrong and people have a right to be annoyed about that, even after he's been to prison. If we welcome him back in to society with open arms, we're trivialising **** and advertising to potential rapists that the punishment is only a relatively short (in perspective) prison sentence - Following that, you can live a normal life.. It just doesn't seem right.

Of course this is a controversial issue and I respect everyone's right to an opinion (I just hope that you'll be as kind as to respect my opinion also)

The judge took a variety of factors into account when making the decision.
The woman was pretty much drunk out of her mind, she didn't say no, and it didn't cause her any bodily harm. But, both Ched and the other man involved should have seen that she was in no state to consent to sex, so he got 5 years, and it was reduced to 2 and a half for good behaviour.

This in no way sends out the message to people that it's OK to sexually abuse people, or that the punishment is only relatively short.

People keep saying 'People have the right to...' that doesn't mean that they should though.
It's not just about them being annoyed though, they're actively trying to impede his progress into becoming a functioning member of society again, which was the entire point of sending him to prison, punishment and rehabilitation.

If anything we're trivialising the justice and prison system. We send people there as punishment, not an intermediary position before the ostracising they're going to experience for the rest of their lives.

I'm not going to argue about the sentencing too much, I trust the courts made a legally just judgment call there.

I disagree with your phrasing "functioning member of society". They are protesting his training (and potential signing) with Sheffield United FC. That's not a basic function within society but rather a role in which he would be representing the Sheffield community. If the 'protestors' were impeding basic actions such as being able to live a relatively normal life, I'd agree with your logic but training with Sheffield is a privilege, not a stepping stone in his transition towards a functioning member of society.

OhDiegoCosta wrote

Labyrinth wrote

OhDiegoCosta wrote Should the punishment for **** really be 2 and a half years in a prison?
Does that fix the issue? Probably not.

Under the current correctional system, he probably shouldn't be ostracised but I don't agree with such a system. He committed a serious wrong and people have a right to be annoyed about that, even after he's been to prison. If we welcome him back in to society with open arms, we're trivialising **** and advertising to potential rapists that the punishment is only a relatively short (in perspective) prison sentence - Following that, you can live a normal life.. It just doesn't seem right.

Of course this is a controversial issue and I respect everyone's right to an opinion (I just hope that you'll be as kind as to respect my opinion also)

The judge took a variety of factors into account when making the decision.
The woman was pretty much drunk out of her mind, she didn't say no, and it didn't cause her any bodily harm. But, both Ched and the other man involved should have seen that she was in no state to consent to sex, so he got 5 years, and it was reduced to 2 and a half for good behaviour.

This in no way sends out the message to people that it's OK to sexually abuse people, or that the punishment is only relatively short.

People keep saying 'People have the right to...' that doesn't mean that they should though.
It's not just about them being annoyed though, they're actively trying to impede his progress into becoming a functioning member of society again, which was the entire point of sending him to prison, punishment and rehabilitation.

If anything we're trivialising the justice and prison system. We send people there as punishment, not an intermediary position before the ostracising they're going to experience for the rest of their lives.

I'm not going to argue about the sentencing too much, I trust the courts made a legally just judgment call there.

I disagree with your phrasing "functioning member of society". They are protesting his training (and potential signing) with Sheffield United FC. That's not a basic function within society but rather a role in which he would be representing the Sheffield community. If the 'protestors' were impeding basic actions such as being able to live a relatively normal life, I'd agree with your logic but training with Sheffield is a privilege, not a stepping stone in his transition towards a functioning member of society.

You could say that about any profession.
Playing for a team is just another rung on the job ladder of being a footballer.

He's a footballer, for him it is a basic function, it's what he's done his entire life.
and like I've said, most of the fans seem to be on his side, they want him back as a player.

Labyrinth wrote and like I've said, most of the fans seem to be on his side, they want him back as a player.

I'm not sure if most of them actually do
Over 160,000 people have signed a petition to try and stop him re-signing
(Admittedly not all of those signatures will have been Sheffield fans)

To be honest, I don't know enough about the fan-base to make an informed judgment myself but I'd be rather shocked if most of the fans want him back playing for their club.

OhDiegoCosta wrote

Labyrinth wrote and like I've said, most of the fans seem to be on his side, they want him back as a player.

I'm not sure if most of them actually do
Over 160,000 people have signed a petition to try and stop him re-signing
(Admittedly not all of those signatures will have been Sheffield fans)

To be honest, I don't know enough about the fan-base to make an informed judgment myself but I'd be rather shocked if most of the fans want him back playing for their club.

I've read the club statement and the FA have heavily influenced them to allow him to TRAIN.
I seriously doubt that he will be resigned, and if he is, thats the clubs decision. Not any of our business