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Extort wroteskatertg wroteWhy would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
I couldn't help but notice that your avatar is a man, wither that be you or another is irrelevant but you use statistics, morality, and a biased opinion in your claim the text on the T-Shirt is not only stereotyping but in the same also one could infer that you could care less about the law anyway.
Classic red-herring fallacy. Not gonna take your bait, srybby xoxoxo
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down.
Sorta like how outlawing drugs stopped smuggling, drug use, and cartel violence?
As for your other nonsense; We have a gang problem, not a gun problem.
80% of firearm homicides are gang related.
Where do you get your information from?
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The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
I do know that the 'War On Drugs' is a flop, I think that people want to take drugs regardless of what the Governments try and do so let them do it in a safe environment where they aren't criminalized. The 'war' did work in another way though, it definitely helped fuel the US prison economy.
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I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
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skatertg wrote Why would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.Statistics say in the UK that yes, there is hardly any gun crime now, but you do realize it's taken 17 years to get it this low, also coming from the city that has the 2nd highest crime rate in the UK, I can tell you a LOT of people are stabbed daily and you'd be surprised when I say the quote "guns come like the ones in the movies" They are practically the same price as a pair of nice shoes, with all the unaccounted crimes, that there are a lot of also, I know this is pure bs sir.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
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In the time you've posted this topic theres been another shooting?
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Surely that can show you that its the right thing to outlaw them
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Surely that can show you that its the right thing to outlaw them
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Dean wrote In the time you've posted this topic theres been another shooting?Fast and furious government propaganda to leave the population defenseless against a police state I believe.
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Dean wrote In the time you've posted this topic theres been another shooting?
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Surely that can show you that its the right thing to outlaw them
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In the time that you ate that KFC however long ago you last had one, someone died from eating too much junk food.
Surely that can show you that its the right thing to outlaw them
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skatertg wrote Where do you get your information from?
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The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
HuffingtonPost is about as objective as FOX news.
My info: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
skatertg wrote You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
Outlawing guns will have the same effect as outlawing drugs.
Criminals don't follow the law.
skatertg wrote I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
>Says gangs will still use firearms after a ban
>Posts a statistic to combat gun ownership
>Repeats that gangs will still use guns
>"Better to just let them die"
>"Gangs will be gangs"
This entire paragraph is horribly flawed.
It's like you're arguing with yourself.
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Dean wrote In the time you've posted this topic theres been another shooting?
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Surely that can show you that its the right thing to outlaw them
Dean
Update here, the shooter has been identified as a 2005 FSU Grad.
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It's obvious though that he was not mentally stable, banning guns won't fix that issue, but taking extra steps towards prevention of people like that owning them is a solution.
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Lavish wrotePerfectly put, as for here in the UK with no guns as I stated gangs and criminals still have access and also resort to more types of crimes like stabbings and kidnappings, which are really common in my city. They call it car booting, they will grab you and drop you off in a rough area late at night, they really do this.skatertg wrote Where do you get your information from?
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] (not the best source but better than the study you quoted from ABC)
The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
HuffingtonPost is about as objective as FOX news.
My info: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
skatertg wrote You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
Outlawing guns will have the same effect as outlawing drugs.
Criminals don't follow the law.
skatertg wrote I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
>Says gangs will still use firearms after a ban
>Posts a statistic to combat gun ownership
>Repeats that gangs will still use guns
>"Better to just let them die"
>"Gangs will be gangs"
This entire paragraph is horribly flawed.
It's like you're arguing with yourself.
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Lavish wroteskatertg wrote
HuffingtonPost is about as objective as FOX news.
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That was a lot to sift through... I might be blind but i didn't see anything regarding 80% of gun violence being gang-related in there. It just confirmed the numbers i mentioned from the report by the National Gang Center. See pages 41-42 of the report you posted. Have I misunderstood your post??
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Lavish wrote
skatertg wroteYou are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
Outlawing guns will have the same effect as outlawing drugs.
Criminals don't follow the law.
As i said i don't think they can really be compared...
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
>Says gangs will still use firearms after a ban
>Posts a statistic to combat gun ownership
>Repeats that gangs will still use guns
>"Better to just let them die"
>"Gangs will be gangs"
This entire paragraph is horribly flawed.
It's like you're arguing with yourself.
Of course you're not going to eradicate all guns that's unfortunately unrealistic, as you said "Criminals don't follow the law" ada)
Gangs will be gangs == Criminals don't follow the law, they no care. Thankfully we have the police to protect the citizens, rite?
If you compare the number of gang-related homicides and civilian homicides with firearms i would say the immediate problem to tackle is saving those civilian lives...
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lel
Perhaps stricter regulations on purchasing guns as a deterrent? Outlawing? idk the solution.
Something obviously needs to be done about gang-related homicides, maybe changing gun laws could help that(?) However i'm sway and i don't know the answers.
I heard telling an American how guns r bad and we b& them is like telling a British person not to queue.
> w/out greentext huehue
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skatertg wrote Why would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
EDIT: Constructed a better argument on the second page responding to Lavish and some scrubnubs comments. Just gonna put it here if you cba to go to 2ndpage:Extort wroteskatertg wroteWhy would you want to own something that can take a life at the squeeze of a trigger? "To protect yourself". Please spare me the bs.
Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down. How ignorant can a society be to allow people to die because their "right to bare arms". That was written down in the Second amendment in 1791. It was written because the early white colonizers of the USA were scared of being attacked by the British, scared about civil unrest, civil wars etc.
It's 2014, there is no longer any need to have this law(?) in place.
Here are some numbers for you:
In 2013, 14 people in the UK were killed by a firearm.
In 2013, 9369 people in the USA were killed by a firearm.
That is the difference between outlawing firearms and allowing everyone in the country to have one. What is more important to you, a human life, or a gun...
If you choose gun then you're a terrible human being and should just use the gun on yourself to better humanity. ada)
Sure outlawing will always cause blackmarket sells of firearm to increase but better that than having easily accessible guns and having muricas annual shoot-up a high school or cinema etc.
In an ideal world murica would overturn these laws, but they won't. It's such a new nation to the world stage it seems like the country has something to prove to the rest of the international communities. Majority of other countries have already had their empires throughout history, now murica wants their turn at waving their winky around.
I couldn't help but notice that your avatar is a man, wither that be you or another is irrelevant but you use statistics, morality, and a biased opinion in your claim the text on the T-Shirt is not only stereotyping but in the same also one could infer that you could care less about the law anyway.
Classic red-herring fallacy. Not gonna take your bait, srybby xoxoxo
Lavish wroteskatertg wrote Outlawing guns would 100% make gun-crime go down.
Sorta like how outlawing drugs stopped smuggling, drug use, and cartel violence?
As for your other nonsense; We have a gang problem, not a gun problem.
80% of firearm homicides are gang related.
Where do you get your information from?
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] (not the best source but better than the study you quoted from ABC)
The Data from the National Gang Center: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
You are comparing drug laws and gun laws which you simply can't do.
I do know that the 'War On Drugs' is a flop, I think that people want to take drugs regardless of what the Governments try and do so let them do it in a safe environment where they aren't criminalized. The 'war' did work in another way though, it definitely helped fuel the US prison economy.
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I think it would be better for the average American citizen if guns had more restrictions tagged to them or just the complete outlawing of them. Gangs most likely will use firearms but as you can see from the article and report, the numbers just don't add up. 11,101 homicides wtf. Better to let these people die and keep your guns right? Yes the gangs will probably still use their firearms but at least your saving 10x the civilians. Taking guns away from gangs wouldn't stop them, the UK took their guns and now there is a lot of knife crime. Gangs gonna b gangs, that's why we got tha popo.
Please stop. People who compare the USA and UK in number of deaths are idiots. 316.1 million people live in the USA. 64.1 million live in the UK. Of course there are going to be less crime in general. Much less gun crime.
Edit: You don`t understand the freedom of being able to have guns unless you live in America.
Accidents will always happen, but the people who are killing people are not buying the guns legally anyway. The gangs will still have guns and still be killing people. The countless number of peoples lives saved by legal guns will now be deaths of innocent people.
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