Illuminati or the enlightened ones.
Take it as you will.

I'd prefer neither, but just because it's shorter, Illuminati.

Good vs bad, heaven vs hell and God vs Devil all has to do with illuminati.
I'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about good vs evil. Power is the root of all evil. People with more power are more evil, fact.

Dubious use of the word 'Fact' considering most crime is committed in areas of poverty, if we're talking about more money meaning more power.

Illuminati does not control the music industry, evil does. All those signs and hidden messages are put in without the artist ever knowing. Evil does that.

You really need to define what you mean by 'Evil.'
and that is pure speculation, you're saying that an artist never watched their own music video before it was released, or that Rihanna didn't notice this obvious illuminati reference when she was filming this video?

Good and evil are the opposite. Yin and yang. People don't know they are evil because their agenda, in their head, seems right.

So your use of the word evil is completely arbitrary then.
For all you know, you're the evil one.

Spirituality and enlightenment vs evil and control/power

I could just as easily say, 'Control and power vs evil and spirituality/enlightenment.' according to you, you don't know what is evil and what isn't.

It hard to explain but illuminati is actually good and portrayed to be bad by it's evil opposite.

and what is the evil opposite to the organisation which doesn't exist any more?
Are we going to play the pronoun game?

It's very hard to explain but the message is there. I'm not talking about religion because that is also evil

Who made you arbiter of what is evil and what isn't? By your own definition and understanding of the human mind, evil people don't know that they are evil, even if you can say that they are evil because you don't know if you are evil.

I'm talking about spirituality and the road to human evolution.

'The road to human evolution' evolution is constant, it doesn't happen in intervals, it would be more like 'The road of human evolution' and spirituality has nothing to do with it. Physical environments do.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but you're making the Illuminati theorists look like geniuses.

You don't seemed to be quite as enlightened as me. Good and evil are opposites. I might be evil. My agenda for the world might be evil. I wouldn't know.

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing. I believe so one can sell their soul to the devil without ever knowing. Miley Cyrus, was chosen by the devil to brainwash people into believing in satan. Who knows man it's all speculation anyway.

It's deeper then people think. The illuminati is just a word. Their is no secret group controlling anything it all goes back to two sides battling for power and which one is good. Kill one man your a murderer, kill 1,000 your a king, kill them all your a god. But such one is evil/good?

Also I don't believe in evolution. By the road to evolution I meant enlightenment

Two_Faced wrote You don't seemed to be quite as enlightened as me. Good and evil are opposites. I might be evil. My agenda for the world might be evil. I wouldn't know.

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing. I believe so one can sell their soul to the devil without ever knowing. Miley Cyrus, was chosen by the devil to brainwash people into believing in satan. Who knows man it's all speculation anyway.

It's deeper then people think. The illuminati is just a word. Their is no secret group controlling anything it all goes back to two sides battling for power and which one is good. Kill one man your a murderer, kill 1,000 your a king, kill them all your a god. But such one is evil/good?

You might be more 'enlightened' than me, whatever that means, but you do like to speak obscurely.
A rule of thumb is if you can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough.

If you don't know if your agenda is evil or not then how can you say someone else's is?

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing.

You still haven't told us what they are doing.
What effect does putting hidden messages in music videos have on people?
Brainwashing? Believing in Satan?

Has there been a sudden spike in Satanism since Miley Cyrus became famous?


I could just sit here and say, 'Where's the evidence?'

Where's the evidence that Miley Cyrus sold her soul to the devil?
Where's the evidence that the Soul even exists?
Where's the evidence that the Devil even exists?
Where's the evidence that this good/evil war has been going on for however long it has been?
Where's the evidence that people are being brainwashed by music videos?
Where's the evidence that music artists have been brainwashed into putting things into their music videos?

Occam's razor: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Why do they put triangles in music videos?
A) Marketing using a technique which can be demonstrated to work.
B) A war between two inexplicable and unnameable sides which has nothing to do with religion, but has lots to do with God and the Devil, about good vs evil, an evil which has an arbitrary and obscure definition, which somehow involves the Illuminati, but not really.

It's not all speculation, when you have one side which has a clear argument, with evidence supporting it, going against a side with an obscure argument, which every proponent has a different version of, and no evidence supporting it, there could not be less speculation.

Saying it's deeper than that without explaining how or why, or that the other person is not as enlightened, does not constitute an argument.

How this topic made me cringe...

If you're serious, then you have problems.

Ruvik wrote

Two_Faced wrote You don't seemed to be quite as enlightened as me. Good and evil are opposites. I might be evil. My agenda for the world might be evil. I wouldn't know.

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing. I believe so one can sell their soul to the devil without ever knowing. Miley Cyrus, was chosen by the devil to brainwash people into believing in satan. Who knows man it's all speculation anyway.

It's deeper then people think. The illuminati is just a word. Their is no secret group controlling anything it all goes back to two sides battling for power and which one is good. Kill one man your a murderer, kill 1,000 your a king, kill them all your a god. But such one is evil/good?

You might be more 'enlightened' than me, whatever that means, but you do like to speak obscurely.
A rule of thumb is if you can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough.

If you don't know if your agenda is evil or not then how can you say someone else's is?

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing.

You still haven't told us what they are doing.
What effect does putting hidden messages in music videos have on people?
Brainwashing? Believing in Satan?

Has there been a sudden spike in Satanism since Miley Cyrus became famous?


I could just sit here and say, 'Where's the evidence?'

Where's the evidence that Miley Cyrus sold her soul to the devil?
Where's the evidence that the Soul even exists?
Where's the evidence that the Devil even exists?
Where's the evidence that this good/evil war has been going on for however long it has been?
Where's the evidence that people are being brainwashed by music videos?
Where's the evidence that music artists have been brainwashed into putting things into their music videos?

Occam's razor: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Why do they put triangles in music videos?
A) Marketing using a technique which can be demonstrated to work.
B) A war between two inexplicable and unnameable sides which has nothing to do with religion, but has lots to do with God and the Devil, about good vs evil, an evil which has an arbitrary and obscure definition, which somehow involves the Illuminati, but not really.

It's not all speculation, when you have one side which has a clear argument, with evidence supporting it, going against a side with an obscure argument, which every proponent has a different version of, and no evidence supporting it, there could not be less speculation.

Saying it's deeper than that without explaining how or why, or that the other person is not as enlightened, does not constitute an argument.

Stop trying to sound smart you over look anything I was trying to explain by picking apart every sentence. Good and evil does exist and I don't need to prove it to anyone. I have seen it. You totally looked over everything, or you can't understand the way it was explained. And it is very difficult to explain because I don't fully understand this, no one does. Keep being close minded I'm attempting to think outside the box.

Illuminati is seen as bad because in my opinion, a lot of religious groups think they are satanic devil worshippers.
I really don't care about the Illuminati, and don't really believe in the "New World Order" either. It all just seems like a myth that'll blow over in several years.

The conspiracy theory on the Illuminati has really died down lately, or so I've noticed.

Two_Faced wrote

Ruvik wrote

Two_Faced wrote You don't seemed to be quite as enlightened as me. Good and evil are opposites. I might be evil. My agenda for the world might be evil. I wouldn't know.

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing. I believe so one can sell their soul to the devil without ever knowing. Miley Cyrus, was chosen by the devil to brainwash people into believing in satan. Who knows man it's all speculation anyway.

It's deeper then people think. The illuminati is just a word. Their is no secret group controlling anything it all goes back to two sides battling for power and which one is good. Kill one man your a murderer, kill 1,000 your a king, kill them all your a god. But such one is evil/good?

You might be more 'enlightened' than me, whatever that means, but you do like to speak obscurely.
A rule of thumb is if you can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough.

If you don't know if your agenda is evil or not then how can you say someone else's is?

Also I'm not saying the artists don't know. I'm saying they are unaware of what they are actually doing.

You still haven't told us what they are doing.
What effect does putting hidden messages in music videos have on people?
Brainwashing? Believing in Satan?

Has there been a sudden spike in Satanism since Miley Cyrus became famous?


I could just sit here and say, 'Where's the evidence?'

Where's the evidence that Miley Cyrus sold her soul to the devil?
Where's the evidence that the Soul even exists?
Where's the evidence that the Devil even exists?
Where's the evidence that this good/evil war has been going on for however long it has been?
Where's the evidence that people are being brainwashed by music videos?
Where's the evidence that music artists have been brainwashed into putting things into their music videos?

Occam's razor: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Why do they put triangles in music videos?
A) Marketing using a technique which can be demonstrated to work.
B) A war between two inexplicable and unnameable sides which has nothing to do with religion, but has lots to do with God and the Devil, about good vs evil, an evil which has an arbitrary and obscure definition, which somehow involves the Illuminati, but not really.

It's not all speculation, when you have one side which has a clear argument, with evidence supporting it, going against a side with an obscure argument, which every proponent has a different version of, and no evidence supporting it, there could not be less speculation.

Saying it's deeper than that without explaining how or why, or that the other person is not as enlightened, does not constitute an argument.

Stop trying to sound smart you over look anything I was trying to explain by picking apart every sentence. Good and evil does exist and I don't need to prove it to anyone. I have seen it. You totally looked over everything, or you can't understand the way it was explained. And it is very difficult to explain because I don't fully understand this, no one does. Keep being close minded I'm attempting to think outside the box.

So you're trying to explain something which you don't understand, and then you're calling me closed minded for not understanding what you're trying to explain?
I didn't say good and evil don't exist, I'm saying your definition of evil is arbitrary, because it is.

There's a difference between thinking outside the box and making up something which you don't understand, don't have evidence for, and can't even explain.

Your 'argument' is based on the sole principle that people are being brainwashed by the media to believe in and worship Satan, regardless of what is causing it.
Prove this, or at least give evidence to back this up, and you have an actual theory.

Until then you have speculation and nonsense.

Topics have to contain an actual theory - Topics have to make logical sense and have to be backed up with some form of evidence

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Two_Faced wrote Illuminati or the enlightened ones.

Take it as you will.

Good vs bad, heaven vs hell and God vs Devil all has to do with illuminati.
I'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about good vs evil. Power is the root of all evil. People with more power are more evil, fact.

Illuminati does not control the music industry, evil does. All those signs and hidden messages are put in without the artist ever knowing. Evil does that.

Good and evil are the opposite. Yin and yang. People don't know they are evil because their agenda, in their head, seems right.

Spirituality and enlightenment vs evil and control/power

It hard to explain but illuminati is actually good and portrayed to be bad by it's evil opposite.

It's very hard to explain but the message is there. I'm not talking about religion because that is also evil. I'm talking about spirituality and the road to human evolution. Look around thngs are not what they seem.. EVERYTHING happens for a reason

The Illuminati are luciferian sorry but that's evil in my book