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ProJimmyRustler wrote Seeing as the OP deleted his recent post, I'll just come out and say this.

You can't argue the facts of Evolution with a story book. Religion in my eyes has no place in our modern society. It holds us back from achieving in science. I has cause every major war/conflict.

I don't normally shoot for the kill, but based of the voice you used in the OP you are too ignorant to see past your own side.

Like, have you ever actually read the bible? I have, its ridiculous. Many of the things you are doing right now are "considered against" the bible. Your post was almost on Westboro Baptist Church level. You can't come out of the gate saying that your side is right if you have NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER that it is correct.

The two segments that I have bolded out, I have to say I disagree with. As for science being held back due to religion, I don't see a connection. Religion and general science can coexist together with no conflicts. I hope you do realize that "science" is broader than just "evolution", "creation of the universe", etc. Science also includes the development of medicine, how nature functions, etc. So your claim is incorrect. Now onto the subject of religions starting wars. I absolutely hate when people say this. It's ignorant. People cause wars. Normally religions are peaceful and such. It always starts with the extremists who think their religion is right and all others are wrong. The source of war is not through the religion itself, but rather in the people of the religion.

I take your point about science not being affected hugely, but Religion does affect science. Just look at Stem Cell research and how hugely impeded that has been. Who knows what we would be able to do medically if that research had been unobstructed.

The war thing I agree with, maybe not for the same reasons though. I simply cite this small piece of information when anyone brings it up:

"Philip and Axelrods three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature, which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars."

Stem cell research isnt at all affected by solely religion. It's also affected by the ethics of doctors, such as "When does life really start". Are we allowed to take stem cells from embryos? Or is it considered taking part of what belongs to the baby? This has nothing to do with religion.

I also like what you said about the wars. I'll have to start using that ;)

Questions like "When does life really start?" and the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by Religion.

Not really. It has some influences, but it's not heavily influenced. So would all atheists be considered pro abortion? Because apparently atheists don't have a problem with the ethics of doctors and such. I'm just trying to understand the point you're trying to make. If you claim that the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by religion, then it is safe to come to the conclusion that around 99% of atheists are pro abortion. Abortion is just an example. Let's not get completely side-tracked and start talking about abortion, since that is a completely irrelevant discussion to the current matter.

There's a difference between being pro-abortion and being alright with abortion.
Atheists are alright with abortion, but most aren't going "You have to get an abortion."
Whereas a lot of Christians are saying "You cannot get an abortion." or "You will burn in Hell for eternity if you get an abortion."

Atheism should be the default position for doctors and medical scientists, if not the disbelief in God part, then the disbelief in eternal souls. If all medical scientists didn't believe in souls there would be no problem with experimenting on a Petri dish full of stem cells.

But there is problems with it because lots of doctors believe in souls, and they believe in souls because of Religion.

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ProJimmyRustler wrote Seeing as the OP deleted his recent post, I'll just come out and say this.

You can't argue the facts of Evolution with a story book. Religion in my eyes has no place in our modern society. It holds us back from achieving in science. I has cause every major war/conflict.

I don't normally shoot for the kill, but based of the voice you used in the OP you are too ignorant to see past your own side.

Like, have you ever actually read the bible? I have, its ridiculous. Many of the things you are doing right now are "considered against" the bible. Your post was almost on Westboro Baptist Church level. You can't come out of the gate saying that your side is right if you have NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER that it is correct.

The two segments that I have bolded out, I have to say I disagree with. As for science being held back due to religion, I don't see a connection. Religion and general science can coexist together with no conflicts. I hope you do realize that "science" is broader than just "evolution", "creation of the universe", etc. Science also includes the development of medicine, how nature functions, etc. So your claim is incorrect. Now onto the subject of religions starting wars. I absolutely hate when people say this. It's ignorant. People cause wars. Normally religions are peaceful and such. It always starts with the extremists who think their religion is right and all others are wrong. The source of war is not through the religion itself, but rather in the people of the religion.

I take your point about science not being affected hugely, but Religion does affect science. Just look at Stem Cell research and how hugely impeded that has been. Who knows what we would be able to do medically if that research had been unobstructed.

The war thing I agree with, maybe not for the same reasons though. I simply cite this small piece of information when anyone brings it up:

"Philip and Axelrods three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature, which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars."

Stem cell research isnt at all affected by solely religion. It's also affected by the ethics of doctors, such as "When does life really start". Are we allowed to take stem cells from embryos? Or is it considered taking part of what belongs to the baby? This has nothing to do with religion.

I also like what you said about the wars. I'll have to start using that ;)

Questions like "When does life really start?" and the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by Religion.

Not really. It has some influences, but it's not heavily influenced. So would all atheists be considered pro abortion? Because apparently atheists don't have a problem with the ethics of doctors and such. I'm just trying to understand the point you're trying to make. If you claim that the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by religion, then it is safe to come to the conclusion that around 99% of atheists are pro abortion. Abortion is just an example. Let's not get completely side-tracked and start talking about abortion, since that is a completely irrelevant discussion to the current matter.

There's a difference between being pro-abortion and being alright with abortion.
Atheists are alright with abortion, but most aren't going "You have to get an abortion."
Whereas a lot of Christians are saying "You cannot get an abortion." or "You will burn in Hell for eternity if you get an abortion."

Atheism should be the default position for doctors and medical scientists, if not the disbelief in God part, then the disbelief in eternal souls. If all medical scientists didn't believe in souls there would be no problem with experimenting on a Petri dish full of stem cells.

But there is problems with it because lots of doctors believe in souls, and they believe in souls because of Religion.

Follow this [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] to find atheists who are against abortion. Religion does not have a large affect on abortion nor on stem cell research.

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ProJimmyRustler wrote Seeing as the OP deleted his recent post, I'll just come out and say this.

You can't argue the facts of Evolution with a story book. Religion in my eyes has no place in our modern society. It holds us back from achieving in science. I has cause every major war/conflict.

I don't normally shoot for the kill, but based of the voice you used in the OP you are too ignorant to see past your own side.

Like, have you ever actually read the bible? I have, its ridiculous. Many of the things you are doing right now are "considered against" the bible. Your post was almost on Westboro Baptist Church level. You can't come out of the gate saying that your side is right if you have NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER that it is correct.

The two segments that I have bolded out, I have to say I disagree with. As for science being held back due to religion, I don't see a connection. Religion and general science can coexist together with no conflicts. I hope you do realize that "science" is broader than just "evolution", "creation of the universe", etc. Science also includes the development of medicine, how nature functions, etc. So your claim is incorrect. Now onto the subject of religions starting wars. I absolutely hate when people say this. It's ignorant. People cause wars. Normally religions are peaceful and such. It always starts with the extremists who think their religion is right and all others are wrong. The source of war is not through the religion itself, but rather in the people of the religion.

I take your point about science not being affected hugely, but Religion does affect science. Just look at Stem Cell research and how hugely impeded that has been. Who knows what we would be able to do medically if that research had been unobstructed.

The war thing I agree with, maybe not for the same reasons though. I simply cite this small piece of information when anyone brings it up:

"Philip and Axelrods three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature, which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars."

Stem cell research isnt at all affected by solely religion. It's also affected by the ethics of doctors, such as "When does life really start". Are we allowed to take stem cells from embryos? Or is it considered taking part of what belongs to the baby? This has nothing to do with religion.

I also like what you said about the wars. I'll have to start using that ;)

Questions like "When does life really start?" and the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by Religion.

Not really. It has some influences, but it's not heavily influenced. So would all atheists be considered pro abortion? Because apparently atheists don't have a problem with the ethics of doctors and such. I'm just trying to understand the point you're trying to make. If you claim that the ethics of doctors is heavily influenced by religion, then it is safe to come to the conclusion that around 99% of atheists are pro abortion. Abortion is just an example. Let's not get completely side-tracked and start talking about abortion, since that is a completely irrelevant discussion to the current matter.

There's a difference between being pro-abortion and being alright with abortion.
Atheists are alright with abortion, but most aren't going "You have to get an abortion."
Whereas a lot of Christians are saying "You cannot get an abortion." or "You will burn in Hell for eternity if you get an abortion."

Atheism should be the default position for doctors and medical scientists, if not the disbelief in God part, then the disbelief in eternal souls. If all medical scientists didn't believe in souls there would be no problem with experimenting on a Petri dish full of stem cells.

But there is problems with it because lots of doctors believe in souls, and they believe in souls because of Religion.

Follow this [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] to find atheists who are against abortion. Religion does not have a large affect on abortion nor on stem cell research.

I should have said most atheists are all right with abortion.
And I'm not seeing your point.

I didn't say that only Religion completely and entirely affects stem cell research and abortion, I simply denied your claim that Religion doesn't really affect science.

Religion does affect science, of course there are some religious people who are fine with stem cell research, but the majority of arguments against stem cell research come from religious groups.

Woodkid wrote There's a difference between hating and criticising.

This video is stupid. - Hate.
This video is stupid because... - Criticising.

Ok so im sure we were created by God.

It's ironic that you're here criticising Evolution for having a supposed lack of evidence when you make a claim like that alongside it.

The theory of evolution is just disinfo put out there mainly to get people to doubt God.

No, the theory of evolution provides an alternative explanation for how we came to exist.
It's only a problem for Biblical literalists and they have enough problems anyway.
A belief in God is perfectly compatible with Evolution.

As for the video itself, just scrolling down the first group of comments provides enough refutation.

People say there's no evidence that God exists. Why not look at bible prophecies? From there being satellites (being able to see anything that happens at any moment) to Israel being reborn (1948), and Jews returning to Israel.

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Woodkid wrote There's a difference between hating and criticising.

This video is stupid. - Hate.
This video is stupid because... - Criticising.

Ok so im sure we were created by God.

It's ironic that you're here criticising Evolution for having a supposed lack of evidence when you make a claim like that alongside it.

The theory of evolution is just disinfo put out there mainly to get people to doubt God.

No, the theory of evolution provides an alternative explanation for how we came to exist.
It's only a problem for Biblical literalists and they have enough problems anyway.
A belief in God is perfectly compatible with Evolution.

As for the video itself, just scrolling down the first group of comments provides enough refutation.

People say there's no evidence that God exists. Why not look at bible prophecies? From there being satellites (being able to see anything that happens at any moment) to Israel being reborn (1948), and Jews returning to Israel.

I too can make thousands of broad predictions and I'm sure one or two will come true.

North Korea will fall.
We will reach another planet.
Sometime in the future, there will be sunshine in my eyes.

There are hundreds of prophecies that aren't true, but the obvious argument is just that "they have yet to come true." Frankly, prophecies are just making something as general as possible and giving no time limit.

There may or may not be proof that god is real, just as there may or may not be proof that evolution is real, so your claim is invalid. This topic just cancels itself out, however it is an interesting find.

Do you believe in gravity? Yes you do. Well guess what? Gravity is "just a theory". It's too bad that a theory and a law are equal to one another in science. Pretty funny how a few sentences just destroyed your argument huh?

...But on a serious note; evolution is the best answer with the most proof that we have obtained. If you took a good objective look at evolution you would see how much sense it makes. Another interesting thing that you can research is how homosexuality is being proven to be genetic.

Nobody will ever know what happened. There will never be enough proof to explain how we were created. I honestly don't believe in God. I trust more in science then just a book. Any of the writings in the bible could be fake

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ZIGAZAG wrote A belief in God is not compatible with evolution at all and its kinda funny all you got out of this is what I said about hate ROFL I can't even get on your level wow you didn't even watch it for yourself to get your own opinion you just read the comments "what other people think about it" your are so typical its almost funny

I stopped watching when he started spouting nonsense about mutation, adding information, and how it's never been seen.
Then I scrolled down to the comments and read through the refutations for everything else he brought up.

This video is not the slam dunk you thought it was.

And yes, Evolution is perfectly compatible with a belief in God, there are many evolutionary biologists who believe in God.
It just goes against Genesis which a lot of Christians don't believe is literal anyway.

Then they arent really Christians. Jesus said, "man and woman created he and them" Jesus explains that adam and eve were real and the creation account was real.

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ZIGAZAG wrote A belief in God is not compatible with evolution at all and its kinda funny all you got out of this is what I said about hate ROFL I can't even get on your level wow you didn't even watch it for yourself to get your own opinion you just read the comments "what other people think about it" your are so typical its almost funny

I stopped watching when he started spouting nonsense about mutation, adding information, and how it's never been seen.
Then I scrolled down to the comments and read through the refutations for everything else he brought up.

This video is not the slam dunk you thought it was.

And yes, Evolution is perfectly compatible with a belief in God, there are many evolutionary biologists who believe in God.
It just goes against Genesis which a lot of Christians don't believe is literal anyway.

Then they arent really Christians. Jesus said, "man and woman created he and them" Jesus explains that adam and eve were real and the creation account was real.

Then you have to take the motives of the Gospel writers into account.
They were trying to establish Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, in which case he would have had to have agreed with the Old Testament account of creation.

Anyway, that's the no true scotsman fallacy.