that's very interesting i had a thought about that too like we may actually be the decedent of the devil. btw i believe in god im not a devil worshiper lol its just a thought.

Prograf wrote that's very interesting i had a thought about that too like we may actually be the decedent of the devil. btw i believe in god im not a devil worshiper lol its just a thought.

MFW people who don't believe in God must therefore be devil worshippers.

@OP: Assuming that God and the Devil exist, the whole point of Christianity, and all major world religions who have these two opposing figures, is that we are sick.
Humanity is ill, it was made ill by Satan, and Jesus or Mohammed are the cures.
The problem with saying that humans are more like Satan, which is basically just saying that humans are more bad than good, is that it's a blanket statement.
There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

But let's say you're right, there is more bad in the world than there is good.
Does that mean that people are more bad than good? That depends on whether or not there are an equal amount of opportunities.
Think about your average day. How many opportunities do you get to do good things?
You might see someone stood in front of you in the queue at the supermarket who is running short on change, you give them money and that's your good deed.
On the other hand, you could pull out a gun and shoot every single person in the queue.
That's 5 bad things for every 1 good thing you could do.

So I think that while there is more bad in the world than good, I don't believe that it's because people are more bad than good.
'Bad' is such an arbitrary word any way. Most people who do bad things like stealing or killing believe that they are completely justified in what they are doing. They are only bad from the perspective of an outsider. If their brain is telling them that they are a good person for doing something the rest of society condemns then is God really going to look at them and say 'You didn't know what you were doing was wrong, but you did it any way, so you're going to Hell... bye...' ?
I don't think so.

No, you misinterpreted this I meant that we by nature are more sinful and malicious rather than nice as we cause arguments say hateful things etc.

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Prograf wrote that's very interesting i had a thought about that too like we may actually be the decedent of the devil. btw i believe in god im not a devil worshiper lol its just a thought.

MFW people who don't believe in God must therefore be devil worshippers.

@OP: Assuming that God and the Devil exist, the whole point of Christianity, and all major world religions who have these two opposing figures, is that we are sick.
Humanity is ill, it was made ill by Satan, and Jesus or Mohammed are the cures.
The problem with saying that humans are more like Satan, which is basically just saying that humans are more bad than good, is that it's a blanket statement.
There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

But let's say you're right, there is more bad in the world than there is good.
Does that mean that people are more bad than good? That depends on whether or not there are an equal amount of opportunities.
Think about your average day. How many opportunities do you get to do good things?
You might see someone stood in front of you in the queue at the supermarket who is running short on change, you give them money and that's your good deed.
On the other hand, you could pull out a gun and shoot every single person in the queue.
That's 5 bad things for every 1 good thing you could do.

So I think that while there is more bad in the world than good, I don't believe that it's because people are more bad than good.
'Bad' is such an arbitrary word any way. Most people who do bad things like stealing or killing believe that they are completely justified in what they are doing. They are only bad from the perspective of an outsider. If their brain is telling them that they are a good person for doing something the rest of society condemns then is God really going to look at them and say 'You didn't know what you were doing was wrong, but you did it any way, so you're going to Hell... bye...' ?
I don't think so.

LOL when did i ever say that atheists are devil worshipers lol you totally misinterpreted what i said when i said that we may actually be the decedent of the devil I did not want you to think I was a devil worshiper so I said I was not a devil worshiper i believe in god, don't put word in my mouth.

Royales wrote No, you misinterpreted this I meant that we by nature are more sinful and malicious rather than nice as we cause arguments say hateful things etc.

Where did I not address that very question?

The problem with saying that humans are more like Satan, which is basically just saying that humans are more bad than good, is that it's a blanket statement.
There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

But let's say you're right, there is more bad in the world than there is good.
Does that mean that people are more bad than good? That depends on whether or not there are an equal amount of opportunities.

So I think that while there is more bad in the world than good, I don't believe that it's because people are more bad than good.

Prograf wrote LOL when did i ever say that atheists are devil worshipers lol you totally misinterpreted what i said when i said that we may actually be the decedent of the devil I did not want you to think I was a devil worshiper so I said I was not a devil worshiper i believe in god, don't put word in my mouth.

Fair enough.
'I'm not a devil worshipper, I believe in God...' implies that those who don't believe are devil worshippers.
But if that's not what you meant then that's fine.
Just as I assume you aren't trying to say we're all the 'deceased of Satan' but rather that we are the 'descendants of Satan.'

Besides, even if you were a devil worshipper it would have no bearing on the topic.

ManWithNoName wrote

Royales wrote No, you misinterpreted this I meant that we by nature are more sinful and malicious rather than nice as we cause arguments say hateful things etc.

Where did I not address that very question?

The problem with saying that humans are more like Satan, which is basically just saying that humans are more bad than good, is that it's a blanket statement.
There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

But let's say you're right, there is more bad in the world than there is good.
Does that mean that people are more bad than good? That depends on whether or not there are an equal amount of opportunities.

So I think that while there is more bad in the world than good, I don't believe that it's because people are more bad than good.

Prograf wrote LOL when did i ever say that atheists are devil worshipers lol you totally misinterpreted what i said when i said that we may actually be the decedent of the devil I did not want you to think I was a devil worshiper so I said I was not a devil worshiper i believe in god, don't put word in my mouth.

Fair enough.
'I'm not a devil worshipper, I believe in God...' implies that those who don't believe are devil worshippers.
But if that's not what you meant then that's fine.
Just as I assume you aren't trying to say we're all the 'deceased of Satan' but rather that we are the 'descendants of Satan.'

Besides, even if you were a devil worshipper it would have no bearing on the topic.

Bro, you need to calm down. His statement didn't imply anything like what you thought it did. If it implied anything it was that people who think we come from Satan would usually be satanists. He never said anything about non believers.

From the rest of your reply seems like you would do well in some atheism circle jerk forum.

well there is more evil in the world then good so I would have to say yeah

fknvlink wrote Bro, you need to calm down. His statement didn't imply anything like what you thought it did.

I know. Which is why I said: "But if that's not what you meant then that's fine."
If you're going to attack me rather than my arguments or positions then there's really no point in replying.

Also, what I said in this post is quite moderate. I didn't bash religion or say that it's all a bunch of nonsense.
If it's gotten to the point where arguments like that can be brushed to the side as 'Just more atheist rhetoric' then I don't see why you would get involved in a debate like this.

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Royales wrote No, you misinterpreted this I meant that we by nature are more sinful and malicious rather than nice as we cause arguments say hateful things etc.

Where did I not address that very question?

The problem with saying that humans are more like Satan, which is basically just saying that humans are more bad than good, is that it's a blanket statement.
There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

But let's say you're right, there is more bad in the world than there is good.
Does that mean that people are more bad than good? That depends on whether or not there are an equal amount of opportunities.

So I think that while there is more bad in the world than good, I don't believe that it's because people are more bad than good.

Prograf wrote LOL when did i ever say that atheists are devil worshipers lol you totally misinterpreted what i said when i said that we may actually be the decedent of the devil I did not want you to think I was a devil worshiper so I said I was not a devil worshiper i believe in god, don't put word in my mouth.

Fair enough.
'I'm not a devil worshipper, I believe in God...' implies that those who don't believe are devil worshippers.
But if that's not what you meant then that's fine.
Just as I assume you aren't trying to say we're all the 'deceased of Satan' but rather that we are the 'descendants of Satan.'

Besides, even if you were a devil worshipper it would have no bearing on the topic.

Bro, you need to calm down. His statement didn't imply anything like what you thought it did. If it implied anything it was that people who think we come from Satan would usually be satanists. He never said anything about non believers.

From the rest of your reply seems like you would do well in some atheism circle jerk forum.

fknvlink wrote Bro, you need to calm down. His statement didn't imply anything like what you thought it did.

I know. Which is why I said: "But if that's not what you meant then that's fine."
If you're going to attack me rather than my arguments or positions then there's really no point in replying.

Also, what I said in this post is quite moderate. I didn't bash religion or say that it's all a bunch of nonsense.
If it's gotten to the point where arguments like that can be brushed to the side as 'Just more atheist rhetoric' then I don't see why you would get involved in a debate like this.

Your massive reply just made something rather simple needlessly complex and you were just nitpicking and being pretentious. Bad isn't arbitrary. The example you gave was making it subjective or relative. And generally speaking when someone is stealing or killing they knows its bad, the majority don't think its was right. They might think they HAD to do it but still.

How many opportunities do you get to do good things?
You might see someone stood in front of you in the queue at the supermarket who is running short on change, you give them money and that's your good deed.
On the other hand, you could pull out a gun and shoot every single person in the queue.
That's 5 bad things for every 1 good thing you could do

What kind of example is this? You are comparing a minor to an extreme. A better one would be "a woman dropped a $5 bill and didn't realize. You could either give it to her(good), leave it(neutral, debatably bad) or take it for yourself(bad). Not, a woman dropped a $5 bill and didn't realize, so you shot her dead.

it's a blanket statement

Yea, that was the point. Its a generalization. Its meant to be a blanket statement. You said it as if blanket statements are inherently bad

There's no quantifiable data which can be used to prove that claim, and any theory which is based on an assumption like that isn't a very good one in my opinion.

like c'mon man, this is just cheese. this doesn't mean anything in this discussion. Like it was just an observation. Its not claiming anything more than that. Its really just a philosophical theory. I mean, I personally wouldn't call it a theory since it is philosophical but that is a whole other thing entirely. Like I said you are just making something needlessly complex.