ObscureCoder wrote No, don't start out with VB .net.

Start out with JavaScript and then move to Java (or C#) and then decide what you wanna do and your next programming language will be decided off of that.

Visual Basic is literally the worst programming language in the world. It's just terrible. Those who suggest it, I'm guessing, don't actually do much programming at all. If you want to use .NET, use C#. C# is quite literally the perfect language for Windows GUI application development and can be used for a whole lot more.

Not trying to start an argument, but what you just said is incorrect. There is no "worst programming language in the world." Every language has it's benefits and negatives and great things have been made in .NET and it's the logic is sound. It's similar to english and with WPF applications, the GUI is fine. I'm not programming expert and I don't attend school for it, but from 4 years of experience, .NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language.

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ObscureCoder wrote No, don't start out with VB .net.

Start out with JavaScript and then move to Java (or C#) and then decide what you wanna do and your next programming language will be decided off of that.

Visual Basic is literally the worst programming language in the world. It's just terrible. Those who suggest it, I'm guessing, don't actually do much programming at all. If you want to use .NET, use C#. C# is quite literally the perfect language for Windows GUI application development and can be used for a whole lot more.

Not trying to start an argument, but what you just said is incorrect. There is no "worst programming language in the world." Every language has it's benefits and negatives and great things have been made in .NET and it's the logic is sound. It's similar to english and with WPF applications, the GUI is fine. I'm not programming expert and I don't attend school for it, but from 4 years of experience, .NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language.

Well, from your reply, I can gauge that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not talking about .NET, I'm talking about Visual Basic for .NET in comparison to C# (also for .NET). They both compile into (almost) exactly the same intermediate bytecode.

Visual Basic is a disgusting language which has limited constructs (shit implementations compared to C# anyway), ugly syntax (this makes it hard for those who do it to pick up real languages like C#, Java, C/C++). Visual Basic is a cancerous language; the majority of people on MSDN will strongly suggest C# over Visual Basic. Visual Basic is the kinda language for people who want to program but not become real programmers at anything.

".NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language" - .NET is a framework, not a language (unless you consider CIL - even then, your statement is still invalid). C# is better than Visual Basic.

If you've been programming for 4 years, may I ask what languages you have been using that have given you this very flawed view of Visual Basic?

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ObscureCoder wrote No, don't start out with VB .net.

Start out with JavaScript and then move to Java (or C#) and then decide what you wanna do and your next programming language will be decided off of that.

Visual Basic is literally the worst programming language in the world. It's just terrible. Those who suggest it, I'm guessing, don't actually do much programming at all. If you want to use .NET, use C#. C# is quite literally the perfect language for Windows GUI application development and can be used for a whole lot more.

Not trying to start an argument, but what you just said is incorrect. There is no "worst programming language in the world." Every language has it's benefits and negatives and great things have been made in .NET and it's the logic is sound. It's similar to english and with WPF applications, the GUI is fine. I'm not programming expert and I don't attend school for it, but from 4 years of experience, .NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language.

Well, from your reply, I can gauge that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not talking about .NET, I'm talking about Visual Basic for .NET in comparison to C# (also for .NET). They both compile into (almost) exactly the same intermediate bytecode.

Visual Basic is a disgusting language which has limited constructs (shit implementations compared to C# anyway), ugly syntax (this makes it hard for those who do it to pick up real languages like C#, Java, C/C++). Visual Basic is a cancerous language; the majority of people on MSDN will strongly suggest C# over Visual Basic. Visual Basic is the kinda language for people who want to program but not become real programmers at anything.

".NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language" - .NET is a framework, not a language (unless you consider CIL - even then, your statement is still invalid). C# is better than Visual Basic.

If you've been programming for 4 years, may I ask what languages you have been using that have given you this very flawed view of Visual Basic?

I code in VB.NET and obviously .NET is a framework, I just abbreviate VB.NET into .NET because I figure people understand I'm not talking about the entire framework. If you're talking about VB6 then that's one thing, but VB.NET is still being developed and is an active language with easily understandable syntax. I've been coding in my spare time since sophomore year of high school, and I'm now a sophomore in college, so I have 4 years of on/off recreational experience.

Visual Basic is the kinda language for people who want to program but not become real programmers at anything.

And that's an issue why? I code in .NET but I do not study nor intend on studying programming and yet I've made fine contributions to this community. VB.NET is used on tons of forums and taught in thousands of college courses, it's not a bad language and has it's own advantages. I took it up as a beginner language, and I learned python while taking a high school course pretty quickly, so it didn't really impact my learning ability of other languages. I'm sorry, but if someone wants a good start language to begin understanding the logic behind code and how to accomplish tasks and have intellisense, background compiler, and debugging tools at their disposal, VB.NET is the best language imo.

EDIT: I'm just gonna let this die here, since I really don't want this topic deleted, but yeah OP, I put in my 2 cents, Obscure put in his his, so feel free to check out either of our options, and have a good life.

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ObscureCoder wrote No, don't start out with VB .net.

Start out with JavaScript and then move to Java (or C#) and then decide what you wanna do and your next programming language will be decided off of that.

Visual Basic is literally the worst programming language in the world. It's just terrible. Those who suggest it, I'm guessing, don't actually do much programming at all. If you want to use .NET, use C#. C# is quite literally the perfect language for Windows GUI application development and can be used for a whole lot more.

Not trying to start an argument, but what you just said is incorrect. There is no "worst programming language in the world." Every language has it's benefits and negatives and great things have been made in .NET and it's the logic is sound. It's similar to english and with WPF applications, the GUI is fine. I'm not programming expert and I don't attend school for it, but from 4 years of experience, .NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language.

Well, from your reply, I can gauge that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not talking about .NET, I'm talking about Visual Basic for .NET in comparison to C# (also for .NET). They both compile into (almost) exactly the same intermediate bytecode.

Visual Basic is a disgusting language which has limited constructs (shit implementations compared to C# anyway), ugly syntax (this makes it hard for those who do it to pick up real languages like C#, Java, C/C++). Visual Basic is a cancerous language; the majority of people on MSDN will strongly suggest C# over Visual Basic. Visual Basic is the kinda language for people who want to program but not become real programmers at anything.

".NET is fine and I'd recommend it any day for a first language" - .NET is a framework, not a language (unless you consider CIL - even then, your statement is still invalid). C# is better than Visual Basic.

If you've been programming for 4 years, may I ask what languages you have been using that have given you this very flawed view of Visual Basic?

I code in VB.NET and obviously .NET is a framework, I just abbreviate VB.NET into .NET because I figure people understand I'm not talking about the entire framework. If you're talking about VB6 then that's one thing, but VB.NET is still being developed and is an active language with easily understandable syntax. I've been coding in my spare time since sophomore year of high school, and I'm now a sophomore in college, so I have 4 years of on/off recreational experience.

Visual Basic is the kinda language for people who want to program but not become real programmers at anything.

And that's an issue why? I code in .NET but I do not study nor intend on studying programming and yet I've made fine contributions to this community. VB.NET is used on tons of forums and taught in thousands of college courses, it's not a bad language and has it's own advantages. I took it up as a beginner language, and I learned python while taking a high school course pretty quickly, so it didn't really impact my learning ability of other languages. I'm sorry, but if someone wants a good start language to begin understanding the logic behind code and how to accomplish tasks and have intellisense, background compiler, and debugging tools at their disposal, VB.NET is the best language imo.

EDIT: I'm just gonna let this die here, since I really don't want this topic deleted, but yeah OP, I put in my 2 cents, Obscure put in his his, so feel free to check out either of our options, and have a good life.

Intellisense, background compilers, debugging tools are not features of Visual Basic. They are features of Visual Studio (and related express IDEs). All of those 'features' have nothing to do with the language.

By other languages, I meant languages that had different syntax. Visual Basic and Python are similar thus the learning curve is smaller. I meant languages like C#, Java, C/C++, JS, PHP etc.

AS you've said multiple times though, you're not a programmer - so your knowledge of this is limited. OP - take my advice, completely patch Visual Basic and go for Java or C# as a beginner language (or JavaScript).

Visual Basic is and always will be the butt of all jokes. I laugh when people tell me they 'program' in Visual Basic and then subtly hand them a book on C++.

Also, Fold, your thread that you linked regarding VB.NET has a reply in-which you agree with someone who's basically saying exactly what I'm saying?

You need to understand it's easy to move from Visual Basic to Python because they both similar syntax.

Python > Visual Basic
Why aren't you suggesting python?