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LoL Question: Can you confirm on what this Shaco did wrong?
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So this is a video of a guy who ends up being upset the whole game. At around 1:00 he dies and his jungler Shaco comes up and pushed his lane. I think I know what was wrong about it but I wanted a confirmation just to make sure.
I think this was wrong because when Shaco pushed his lane, it made Darius' minions push up hard and one wave went under Renekton's tower and it gave him free cs. This also made it harder for Darius to get cs because he is closer to the enemy tower. Renekton was then able to pass him in cs and he was able to buy more items than him.
Am I correct? Partially correct? Or just wrong?
I'm trying to get smarter as a player so any information to improve my learning is appreciated.
Thank You.
I think this was wrong because when Shaco pushed his lane, it made Darius' minions push up hard and one wave went under Renekton's tower and it gave him free cs. This also made it harder for Darius to get cs because he is closer to the enemy tower. Renekton was then able to pass him in cs and he was able to buy more items than him.
Am I correct? Partially correct? Or just wrong?
I'm trying to get smarter as a player so any information to improve my learning is appreciated.
Thank You.
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There have been a lot of changes since patch 5.11
The only way you can take a wave is if either you bounce the wave into the turret and make the wave reset or you just last hit so your wave doesn't push.
Also, this is a screenshot of the mini-map 4 seconds before he dies for the first time
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What Shaco should have done is ping as soon as he saw lee up there, then they would of avoided the whole thing.
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The only way you can take a wave is if either you bounce the wave into the turret and make the wave reset or you just last hit so your wave doesn't push.
Also, this is a screenshot of the mini-map 4 seconds before he dies for the first time
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What Shaco should have done is ping as soon as he saw lee up there, then they would of avoided the whole thing.
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Ok, I think I understand. Thanks for the reply
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That guy seems toxic in all honesty.
First of all, him dying there was entirely his own fault. Granted the Shaco could have pinged the Lee considering he was chasing him however if Darius had any map awareness he'd have saw Lee on the map when Shaco was fighting him OR saw him on the map when he walks under tower.
Second he engages onto a near full fury Renekton on full HP in Renektons half of the lane. Renekton as a champion is an early game powerhouse and as darius you want to stall for as long as you can, being near his tower is not going to put any fights in your favor and he should have fell back the second the Renekton ran towards tower or just not have engaged in that scenario in the first place. There was no way he was winning that fight. It could end three ways; he dies, he is getting ganked which is renekton is fighting and dies or renekton just gets away to tower which is 5 feet away. He is never going to win in that scenario.
Needless to say his own stupidity gets him killed and he rages at 'of course lee was here' which he would have known if he checked his map.
As far as the minions go, as a jungler main I can see the Shaco's reasoning behind it. Renekton had just backed and he wanted to shove the wave hard to deny him farm as he has no Teleport. However Shaco stopped mid way of doing that because Darius ping spammed and flamed in chat leaving the wave perfectly aligned for when Renekton got back.
Basically, stupid guy is looking for reasons to put his stupidity on other people and mechanics rather than realizing it's all his fault.
First of all, him dying there was entirely his own fault. Granted the Shaco could have pinged the Lee considering he was chasing him however if Darius had any map awareness he'd have saw Lee on the map when Shaco was fighting him OR saw him on the map when he walks under tower.
Second he engages onto a near full fury Renekton on full HP in Renektons half of the lane. Renekton as a champion is an early game powerhouse and as darius you want to stall for as long as you can, being near his tower is not going to put any fights in your favor and he should have fell back the second the Renekton ran towards tower or just not have engaged in that scenario in the first place. There was no way he was winning that fight. It could end three ways; he dies, he is getting ganked which is renekton is fighting and dies or renekton just gets away to tower which is 5 feet away. He is never going to win in that scenario.
Needless to say his own stupidity gets him killed and he rages at 'of course lee was here' which he would have known if he checked his map.
As far as the minions go, as a jungler main I can see the Shaco's reasoning behind it. Renekton had just backed and he wanted to shove the wave hard to deny him farm as he has no Teleport. However Shaco stopped mid way of doing that because Darius ping spammed and flamed in chat leaving the wave perfectly aligned for when Renekton got back.
Basically, stupid guy is looking for reasons to put his stupidity on other people and mechanics rather than realizing it's all his fault.
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Thank you for the explanation. Also, thank you for showing me what the Shaco could have possibly been thinking at the time. Glad you could help me see the other side of this scenario.
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