You are viewing our Forum Archives. To view or take place in current topics click here.
Batman vs Superman Questions!(Spoilers included)
Posted:

Batman vs Superman Questions!(Spoilers included)Posted:

AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
I have some questions regarding Batman vs Superman movie cause I'm quite confuse after watching it although I really enjoyed and liked it. The dialogues of every character even Alfred, media/politics schemes, superheroes killing people, and the action scenes especially the last part.

I think I was confused due to the fact that I'm not fond of reading superhero comics. So here are my questions,

1. Is that the flash shown in one of Bruce dream? And I noticed some papers are still floating he woke up so was it even a dream? What was it all about? Flash dialogues are pretty strange: "Bruce, Bruce! Lois! Lois Lane, she is the key, am i too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him, you always have been right about him! Fear him! Find us Bruce! You have to find us!"

2. How did Superman live after he was killed by Doomsday?

3. What's with the robin suit in the bat cave? Is robin dead already on the timeline of this movie?

4. Lex Luther's son was the Luther in the movie right? Is he even in the comics?

5. How was superman frame by the using the a certain bullet? And why can't batman make kryptonian bullets?

Oh and in this image is funny. Big fan of Batman and Iron Man. lol
Source image: Game of Dice

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
#2. Posted:
Swift
  • GER2USA
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 27, 201113Year Member
Posts: 14,536
Reputation Power: 1278
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 27, 201113Year Member
Posts: 14,536
Reputation Power: 1278
1. The Flash can time travel using the Speedforce, a power given to speedsters. The Flash was just giving him hints on creating the Justice League.
2. This part pissed me off because they wanted their damn doomsday kills superman story line from the comics, Superman lives because you cant have the Justice League without Superman.
3. Bruce is in his mid 50's in this story line. Jason Todd (Robin) died years and years ago.
4. No. The Luther in the movie was Lex. Just a different take on the character. Yeah he is from the comics, probably the most iconic villain of Superman.
5. (I do not have the answer to this question)

Edit: Also, Black Panther is richer than Ironman and Batman combined. Just putting that out there. :p
#3. Posted:
AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Swift wrote 1. The Flash can time travel using the Speedforce, a power given to speedsters. The Flash was just giving him hints on creating the Justice League.
2. This part pissed me off because they wanted their damn doomsday kills superman story line from the comics, Superman lives because you cant have the Justice League without Superman.
3. Bruce is in his mid 50's in this story line. Jason Todd (Robin) died years and years ago.
4. No. The Luther in the movie was Lex. Just a different take on the character. Yeah he is from the comics, probably the most iconic villain of Superman.
5. (I do not have the answer to this question)

Edit: Also, Black Panther is richer than Ironman and Batman combined. Just putting that out there. :p


Thanks for the answers! Although number 1 and 2 seems vague. I mean for number 1, what does this line really mean "Lois! Lois Lane, she is the key, am i too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him, you always have been right about him! Fear him!"? Fear who? Superman? Why is he too soon? And if he came from the future then it must have something do with Lois Lane or Superman in the far future?

For number 2. Is that really it? Can't accept it there must be at least a scientific power-related reason as to how he comes back to life.

I hope someone here can still answer my unanswered questions!

Yeah I've checked Black Panther when I first saw the Civil War trailer. He really is the richest comic hero.
#4. Posted:
Swift
  • Ultra Gifter
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 27, 201113Year Member
Posts: 14,536
Reputation Power: 1278
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 27, 201113Year Member
Posts: 14,536
Reputation Power: 1278
Ah okay I didn't see the second part. Since they decided to adapted parts of "The Death of Superman" I could see then adding parts of "Injustice" where Superman goes sorta rouge. Maybe Bruce will need Lois to stop Superman? Maybe Bruce ends up killing Lois and the flash went back to tell him not to do that?

I couldn't see how any science could make in come back to life. This is a comic book universe where no one can actually die....except all those people in the Man of Steel battle. I may be wrong but I think somehow hes being resurrected by a cosmic power because the dirt is doing the same thing when he was getting his ability to fly in Man of Steel.


Sorry if these dont help. I just love talking about this sorta stuff.
#5. Posted:
ProfessorNobody
  • 2 Million
Status: Offline
Joined: Nov 07, 201212Year Member
Posts: 3,732
Reputation Power: 362
Status: Offline
Joined: Nov 07, 201212Year Member
Posts: 3,732
Reputation Power: 362
I'll give my answers to the questions which either Swift didn't answer or I have a different opinion on them.

1. Is that the flash shown in one of Bruce dream? And I noticed some papers are still floating he woke up so was it even a dream? What was it all about? Flash dialogues are pretty strange: "Bruce, Bruce! Lois! Lois Lane, she is the key, am i too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him, you always have been right about him! Fear him! Find us Bruce! You have to find us!"

Yes, it's the Flash. Zack Snyder has said that the dream sequence could be looked at as an 'Impressionistic view of a possible future.'
That means that Batman's 'dream' could be a future world ruled by a rogue Superman.
Zack Snyder doesn't care too much for linear storytelling, anyone who has seen Watchmen can attest to that.

What The Flash is saying can't be understood until the next films come out though.

2. How did Superman live after he was killed by Doomsday?

There are a few answers to this floating around.
1. He went into a coma, being that he is the Man of Steel his heartbeat would be undetectable.
2. Death is different for Kryptonians, especially those near a star. Superman's body could have used the power of the sun after his death to restore his body to working order, it just needed to shut down the whole 'activity' part for a little while.
3. He was contacted in the afterlife by Kryptonian souls who returned him to his body. This one seems a little far fetched, but this is a story about a superhero, so who knows?


5. How was superman frame by the using the a certain bullet? And why can't batman make kryptonian bullets?

Batman probably could have made Kryptonite bullets. I think the film makers decided to go against this because purely for the sake of spectacle. Kryptonite bullets would have made it a little too easy for him to kill Superman, the gas meant that Superman would be weakened but not dead.
Batman could have also wanted the fight to be a challenge.

The bullets used to frame Superman needed to be untraceable so that Governments would think that Superman was manufacturing his own.
It's stupid, I know. Superman wouldn't need to kill people with bullets, I didn't understand this part of the movie.
#6. Posted:
Yin
  • E3 2017
Status: Offline
Joined: Apr 30, 201212Year Member
Posts: 5,468
Reputation Power: 245
Status: Offline
Joined: Apr 30, 201212Year Member
Posts: 5,468
Reputation Power: 245
I feel I have ideas about 1 and 3, it just depends if you want to potentially be spoiled with upcoming movies. I will state what I think, but just know that this could potentially be very significant spoilers for upcoming movies.

1.
I think they are taking some of the story from Injustice. Lois Lane gets killed and Superman loses his mind over it. He creates "world peace" by creating a giant dictatorship and police state (world) that is very strict and eliminates all threats. This is why Batman was fighting Superman soldiers in the "dream." The heroes then have to get a message to the past to warn the others to save/protect Lois for everyone's sake. I just don't know why the messages are coming as dreams. I also don't know where Darkseid is in those "dreams" even though his symbol and minions are. Maybe Superman managed to kill him and take control of his people? Maybe he just sided with Darkseid after going crazy?


3.
If we are going by another comic book story, Robin was abducted by the Joker, was tortured, and was "killed." It is discovered later that he didn't die, but he was warped from the torture and was convinced that Batman stopped caring about him and moved on with his life. (Batman kind of did though since he thought he was dead since Joker sent him evidence, like the suit.) If this story is taking place, there is a chance that the Joker that we see in Suicide Squad is not the Joker at all. It could be the Robin that got abducted and tortured. Could explain the tattoos. It falls in line with Bruce saying something like "good guys don't stay that way." This is probably why he is so angry that he kills people. He probably killed the Joker. He seems to stop that type of brutality though at the end of Batman V Superman. He didn't brand Luthor like he did to everyone else earlier.


As for Superman being dead, I feel that maybe he didn't die at all. I feel that he just acted like it since it is a way to protect his family. His girlfriend and mom got abducted just due to him being who he is. That can't happen if people think he is dead. I could be wrong, but it is how I saw it.
#7. Posted:
AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Cavalry wrote I'll give my answers to the questions which either Swift didn't answer or I have a different opinion on them.

1. Is that the flash shown in one of Bruce dream? And I noticed some papers are still floating he woke up so was it even a dream? What was it all about? Flash dialogues are pretty strange: "Bruce, Bruce! Lois! Lois Lane, she is the key, am i too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him, you always have been right about him! Fear him! Find us Bruce! You have to find us!"

Yes, it's the Flash. Zack Snyder has said that the dream sequence could be looked at as an 'Impressionistic view of a possible future.'
That means that Batman's 'dream' could be a future world ruled by a rogue Superman.
Zack Snyder doesn't care too much for linear storytelling, anyone who has seen Watchmen can attest to that.

What The Flash is saying can't be understood until the next films come out though.

2. How did Superman live after he was killed by Doomsday?

There are a few answers to this floating around.
1. He went into a coma, being that he is the Man of Steel his heartbeat would be undetectable.
2. Death is different for Kryptonians, especially those near a star. Superman's body could have used the power of the sun after his death to restore his body to working order, it just needed to shut down the whole 'activity' part for a little while.
3. He was contacted in the afterlife by Kryptonian souls who returned him to his body. This one seems a little far fetched, but this is a story about a superhero, so who knows?


5. How was superman frame by the using the a certain bullet? And why can't batman make kryptonian bullets?

Batman probably could have made Kryptonite bullets. I think the film makers decided to go against this because purely for the sake of spectacle. Kryptonite bullets would have made it a little too easy for him to kill Superman, the gas meant that Superman would be weakened but not dead.
Batman could have also wanted the fight to be a challenge.

The bullets used to frame Superman needed to be untraceable so that Governments would think that Superman was manufacturing his own.
It's stupid, I know. Superman wouldn't need to kill people with bullets, I didn't understand this part of the movie.



Wow. It all makes sense now! Thanks for covering up for Swift! Also, thanks Swift for answering based on your current knowledge. Yeah, the bullet frame part is the only thing that kinda doesn't make sense to me. lol
#8. Posted:
AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Yin wrote I feel I have ideas about 1 and 3, it just depends if you want to potentially be spoiled with upcoming movies. I will state what I think, but just know that this could potentially be very significant spoilers for upcoming movies.

1.
I think they are taking some of the story from Injustice. Lois Lane gets killed and Superman loses his mind over it. He creates "world peace" by creating a giant dictatorship and police state (world) that is very strict and eliminates all threats. This is why Batman was fighting Superman soldiers in the "dream." The heroes then have to get a message to the past to warn the others to save/protect Lois for everyone's sake. I just don't know why the messages are coming as dreams. I also don't know where Darkseid is in those "dreams" even though his symbol and minions are. Maybe Superman managed to kill him and take control of his people? Maybe he just sided with Darkseid after going crazy?


3.
If we are going by another comic book story, Robin was abducted by the Joker, was tortured, and was "killed." It is discovered later that he didn't die, but he was warped from the torture and was convinced that Batman stopped caring about him and moved on with his life. (Batman kind of did though since he thought he was dead since Joker sent him evidence, like the suit.) If this story is taking place, there is a chance that the Joker that we see in Suicide Squad is not the Joker at all. It could be the Robin that got abducted and tortured. Could explain the tattoos. It falls in line with Bruce saying something like "good guys don't stay that way." This is probably why he is so angry that he kills people. He probably killed the Joker. He seems to stop that type of brutality though at the end of Batman V Superman. He didn't brand Luthor like he did to everyone else earlier.


As for Superman being dead, I feel that maybe he didn't die at all. I feel that he just acted like it since it is a way to protect his family. His girlfriend and mom got abducted just due to him being who he is. That can't happen if people think he is dead. I could be wrong, but it is how I saw it.


Nice observation. And it's okay, I really wanted to spoiled based from my questions. So if your answer in number 3 is true. Then that would be one damn awesome plot twist!

You could be also right about Superman acting that he died. Cause that really took too long for him to be alive, and also why at the exact moment when no is around?

Lastly, for number 1. Wow, just wow. I played that game Injustice and watched its anime version. Why I didn't think of that sooner? So that explains those monsters in the dreams really got me confused there.
#9. Posted:
AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
This link I just found is a good read. Helps me understand the movie more such as the frame part regarding the bullet that I couldn't accept before. lol

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
#10. Posted:
AtelierLogy
  • Junior Member
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 20159Year Member
Posts: 83
Reputation Power: 3
A guy name Raizel here, message me of an explanation regarding Superman's death and Resurrection in a future film.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

The directors says here that even we saw the dirt moved at the last scene of the movie. It doesn't really mean that Superman is fully resurrected but just very close to death.

And that there will be a specific way to revive him. Something more essential than the sun's rays. Any thoughts what could it be? I wanna be spoiled. lol
Jump to:
You are viewing our Forum Archives. To view or take place in current topics click here.