BonIver wrote

002 wrote Here's the issue with your study. You don't know what the X% is of people who are in the closet. Also, that study does not account for everyone.

You struggle with the proper way to say things, don't you? You are saying that I personally am more likely to be a cross dresser than a gay is. The funny thing here is you assume I'm straight without me saying otherwise, but that's besides the point. What you mean here is that the average straight male is more likely to be a cross dresser than the average gay male. As soon as you sight in on one single individual, you are more than likely going to be wrong. Think about it, if you said that to my dead grandfather who to the best of my knowledge was not a cross dresser, you would be wrong as he was not a cross dresser yet he was straight and many gay people in his life time decided to cross dress. See how that works?

I still struggle to see where you are coming from. I simply said I don't mind gays as long as they are not cross dressers and / or flamers. It had nothing to do with me saying gays are more likely to be cross dressers yet you come in saying that I am more likely to be a cross dresser than a gay person. That bit of information you shared was irrelevant to the post you where replying to. Again, I only gave examples as to why I might hate a gay person.

From your general demeanor towards gays and transgender people, it's quite an easy assumption to make.
And it turns out that my assumption was correct, assumption isn't always the mother, sometimes it's just the most logical conclusion.

You are comparing one specific heterosexual to 'the average gay.'
Tell me, what is the average gay? That's the problem with what you are saying.
You have to compare one specific heterosexual with one specific homosexual.
That is why I said that if I were to compare you with a gay person who hates cross dressers just as much you would both be as likely to be a cross dresser as each other. Comparing you to a gay person who is on the verge of cross dressing is pointless. You are basically saying 'I'm less likely to be a cross dresser than a cross dresser.'

Your comment about cross dressers in your original reply to this topic was completely irrelevant too. You pointed out one small aspect of human sexuality to pick on homosexuals for when the majority of them aren't homosexual.
Why not: 'I have no problem with gay people, until they become dictators and start killing people.'
'I have no problem with gay people, until they start doing school shootings.'
Those things are just as relevant to gay people as cross dressing is.

Also, that study does not account for everyone.
I could go into a club of cross dressers and say 70 out of 100 are gay, and 30 out of 100 are straight too lol. That was a controlled study, human kind is not controlled.

No, that is not a controlled study. I didn't think I would need to go into the complexities of what makes a scientific, psychological or sociological study controlled.
A natural or field experiment is the type of study which is most commonly criticized because it isn't controlled and the results cannot be replicated.
The results that heterosexuals make up the majority of cross dressers is commonly replicated.

I linked studies going back to the 70's, across different cities around the world, the majority of which found that heterosexuality was the norm in transvestite sexuality, and all other sexuality's numbered lower than that.
Of course you cannot interview every single cross dresser on this planet, but a mixture of studies all coming to the same conclusion that heterosexuality is the norm is extremely hard for you to argue against.
You would need to go through every single study and prove that their methodology was completely open to unrelated factors destroying the controlled nature of the study.

Did you ever do the experiment in school where your teacher took you outside to a muddy area and told you to count all of the worms in a 1 meter square?
That was to give you a general idea of the entire population of worms in the entire muddy area. Unless you chose a square where for some unknown reason [which controls should protect against] the amount of worms was hugely higher or lower than in every other square you are going to get a good overall average.
You would get an even more accurate average if there were 10 other students also counting the worms in different squares.

That is no different to having these studies conducted around the world.

Look back to what you said. You singled me out as the straight guy and said I am more likely to become a cross dresser than a gay guy without singling out a gay guy.. That's what you said, not me.

My comment was completely relevant. I simply gave examples as to why I might hate a gay person. Did I say only gays cross dress? No. I said the only reason I would have to hate a gay person is if they are a cross dresser or a flamer. You assumed I was saying only gays cross dress instead of assume I would hate a straight cross dresser. That's all it was, you mis understanding what I wrote down and bringing in irrelevant facts.

How is it not a controlled study? At the point you are not going to places because you don't deam it safe for them to come out as gay is where you are controlling the study. Might I also say that for a lot of gays it's not about the public accepting them as gay, it's about their family accepting them as gay. And with that, they stay in the closet. Another hard thing is age group. You can take a group of 20-30 year old straight men and see if they cross dress, and then in the same matter take a group of 10-20 year old gay men and now your study will be skewed. I didn't rear them as when you brought that fact up it was irrelevant so I don't know if they did give you an age range, but I'm just putting that out there. Also, did you know that gay people actually married women and started a family to appear straight?

I'm not saying your facts aren't correct, I'm saying your facts are irrelevant to this thread and when it comes to studying a persons sexuality, it's impossible to get an accurate answer as people will lie to protect themselves. At the end of the day, we're drowning this thread. I simply gave reasons as to why I would not like a gay and you did not understand that. If you would like to continue this conversation PM me.

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BonIver wrote

002 wrote Here's the issue with your study. You don't know what the X% is of people who are in the closet. Also, that study does not account for everyone.

You struggle with the proper way to say things, don't you? You are saying that I personally am more likely to be a cross dresser than a gay is. The funny thing here is you assume I'm straight without me saying otherwise, but that's besides the point. What you mean here is that the average straight male is more likely to be a cross dresser than the average gay male. As soon as you sight in on one single individual, you are more than likely going to be wrong. Think about it, if you said that to my dead grandfather who to the best of my knowledge was not a cross dresser, you would be wrong as he was not a cross dresser yet he was straight and many gay people in his life time decided to cross dress. See how that works?

I still struggle to see where you are coming from. I simply said I don't mind gays as long as they are not cross dressers and / or flamers. It had nothing to do with me saying gays are more likely to be cross dressers yet you come in saying that I am more likely to be a cross dresser than a gay person. That bit of information you shared was irrelevant to the post you where replying to. Again, I only gave examples as to why I might hate a gay person.

From your general demeanor towards gays and transgender people, it's quite an easy assumption to make.
And it turns out that my assumption was correct, assumption isn't always the mother, sometimes it's just the most logical conclusion.

You are comparing one specific heterosexual to 'the average gay.'
Tell me, what is the average gay? That's the problem with what you are saying.
You have to compare one specific heterosexual with one specific homosexual.
That is why I said that if I were to compare you with a gay person who hates cross dressers just as much you would both be as likely to be a cross dresser as each other. Comparing you to a gay person who is on the verge of cross dressing is pointless. You are basically saying 'I'm less likely to be a cross dresser than a cross dresser.'

Your comment about cross dressers in your original reply to this topic was completely irrelevant too. You pointed out one small aspect of human sexuality to pick on homosexuals for when the majority of them aren't homosexual.
Why not: 'I have no problem with gay people, until they become dictators and start killing people.'
'I have no problem with gay people, until they start doing school shootings.'
Those things are just as relevant to gay people as cross dressing is.

Also, that study does not account for everyone.
I could go into a club of cross dressers and say 70 out of 100 are gay, and 30 out of 100 are straight too lol. That was a controlled study, human kind is not controlled.

No, that is not a controlled study. I didn't think I would need to go into the complexities of what makes a scientific, psychological or sociological study controlled.
A natural or field experiment is the type of study which is most commonly criticized because it isn't controlled and the results cannot be replicated.
The results that heterosexuals make up the majority of cross dressers is commonly replicated.

I linked studies going back to the 70's, across different cities around the world, the majority of which found that heterosexuality was the norm in transvestite sexuality, and all other sexuality's numbered lower than that.
Of course you cannot interview every single cross dresser on this planet, but a mixture of studies all coming to the same conclusion that heterosexuality is the norm is extremely hard for you to argue against.
You would need to go through every single study and prove that their methodology was completely open to unrelated factors destroying the controlled nature of the study.

Did you ever do the experiment in school where your teacher took you outside to a muddy area and told you to count all of the worms in a 1 meter square?
That was to give you a general idea of the entire population of worms in the entire muddy area. Unless you chose a square where for some unknown reason [which controls should protect against] the amount of worms was hugely higher or lower than in every other square you are going to get a good overall average.
You would get an even more accurate average if there were 10 other students also counting the worms in different squares.

That is no different to having these studies conducted around the world.

Look back to what you said. You singled me out as the straight guy and said I am more likely to become a cross dresser than a gay guy without singling out a gay guy.. That's what you said, not me.

My comment was completely relevant. I simply gave examples as to why I might hate a gay person. Did I say only gays cross dress? No. I said the only reason I would have to hate a gay person is if they are a cross dresser or a flamer. You assumed I was saying only gays cross dress instead of assume I would hate a straight cross dresser. That's all it was, you mis understanding what I wrote down and bringing in irrelevant facts.

How is it not a controlled study? At the point you are not going to places because you don't deam it safe for them to come out as gay is where you are controlling the study. Might I also say that for a lot of gays it's not about the public accepting them as gay, it's about their family accepting them as gay. And with that, they stay in the closet. Another hard thing is age group. You can take a group of 20-30 year old straight men and see if they cross dress, and then in the same matter take a group of 10-20 year old gay men and now your study will be skewed. I didn't rear them as when you brought that fact up it was irrelevant so I don't know if they did give you an age range, but I'm just putting that out there. Also, did you know that gay people actually married women and started a family to appear straight?

I'm not saying your facts aren't correct, I'm saying your facts are irrelevant to this thread and when it comes to studying a persons sexuality, it's impossible to get an accurate answer as people will lie to protect themselves. At the end of the day, we're drowning this thread. I simply gave reasons as to why I would not like a gay and you did not understand that. If you would like to continue this conversation PM me.