There is always going to be the issue of seeing women naked in restrooms. I don't understand either, they have co-ed restrooms and showers in some colleges yet everyone is freaking out about the fact that if someone identifies as a woman they get ridiculed and honestly those people have no place in my life.

You are born as either a male of female lol accept it and move on. You can't be what you're not.

i completely agree its their own buisness however i do not agree with the whole bathroom thing.....its whats between the legs that count. Look at it this way would you want boys in the same locker room at school changing in front of your daughter or vice versa. If i self identify as a dog am i ok to poop in the neighbors yard and chase the mailman.

002 wrote

Yin wrote I don't think a person is a specific gender just due to their body parts. I mean, it was a way I used to believe, but that has changed. If I woke up tomorrow with female body parts, I wouldn't just all of a sudden feel female. My brain is saying I am a male. These people were born with their brain saying their are the opposite of what they were born with. There are children out there who go through this. It is a complicated issue and shouldn't be dismissed due to preconceived notions. Listening to and learning about these people is the way to go I feel.

But how does a male "know" he's a female even though he's never been a female?

I'd imagine the man would feel as if he doesn't agree with the way his body looks and how it reacts to his decisions.

It's also not hard to shut down your natural testosterone production and start injecting oestrogen. Therefore filling your body with female hormones. It's very easy to turn transform your body into another genders without surgery. A man can easilly get breasts, highten his voice, lose all his facial hair and muscle within a matter of weeks and anyone who saw him would genuinely believe he was a female.

You cannot just grow a female sex organ though, you would need surgery for that bit. Otherwise you would be identical to any other woman.

Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

002 wrote Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

That is not a very good analogy.
We have just shown you why a person can think that they are and be the opposite gender.
You can not be physically or psychologically older than you are.
You can be the opposite gender to what you currently are, both physically and psychologically.

Until scientists invent a hormone or surgery which ages either your brain or body respectively, you can not be older than you are.

Solus wrote

002 wrote Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

That is not a very good analogy.
We have just shown you why a person can think that they are and be the opposite gender.
You can not be physically or psychologically older than you are.
You can be the opposite gender to what you currently are, both physically and psychologically.

Until scientists invent a hormone or surgery which ages either your brain or body respectively, you can not be older than you are.

It's a perfect analogy. How can you say that I cannot physically feel older than I am? This argument is about boys feeling like girls and girls feeling like boys, so why can't I feel older than I am? If they get to use the opposite sex bathroom, I get to drink alcohol before 21.

You cannot make your body older than it is, just like you where born a boy or a girl. You don't just wake up 1 day and think "hey, I'm a girl".

002 wrote

Solus wrote

002 wrote Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

That is not a very good analogy.
We have just shown you why a person can think that they are and be the opposite gender.
You can not be physically or psychologically older than you are.
You can be the opposite gender to what you currently are, both physically and psychologically.

Until scientists invent a hormone or surgery which ages either your brain or body respectively, you can not be older than you are.

It's a perfect analogy. How can you say that I cannot physically feel older than I am? This argument is about boys feeling like girls and girls feeling like boys, so why can't I feel older than I am? If they get to use the opposite sex bathroom, I get to drink alcohol before 21.

You cannot make your body older than it is, just like you where born a boy or a girl. You don't just wake up 1 day and think "hey, I'm a girl".

I'm sorry but you are simply refusing to see the facts here.
You are purposefully taking words like 'feeling' -words for which we have already explained how someone could come to feel like they should be the opposite gender - and are trying to make them sound like shallow throw away words. Like, "well it's just a feeling. I could feel like a rabbit."

Yes, you could feel like you are supposed to be older than you are, but until you come up with a scientific reason for that feeling, you are mentally ill.

The same cannot be said for transgenders because there is a scientific basis for their 'feelings' and that is where your analogy fails.

Your last point is proving that you are not engaging with what we are saying at all.
You want transgender people to fit your view of waking up one morning and thinking "hey I'll be the opposite gender today because reasons that are completely superfluous!"
Do you honestly think that is how it happens?

Do you not think that there is more detail and nuance to a person making that decision than the level that you are trying to strip it down to just for the sake of having an easily defensible position?

Solus wrote

002 wrote

Solus wrote

002 wrote Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

That is not a very good analogy.
We have just shown you why a person can think that they are and be the opposite gender.
You can not be physically or psychologically older than you are.
You can be the opposite gender to what you currently are, both physically and psychologically.

Until scientists invent a hormone or surgery which ages either your brain or body respectively, you can not be older than you are.

It's a perfect analogy. How can you say that I cannot physically feel older than I am? This argument is about boys feeling like girls and girls feeling like boys, so why can't I feel older than I am? If they get to use the opposite sex bathroom, I get to drink alcohol before 21.

You cannot make your body older than it is, just like you where born a boy or a girl. You don't just wake up 1 day and think "hey, I'm a girl".

I'm sorry but you are simply refusing to see the facts here.
You are purposefully taking words like 'feeling' -words for which we have already explained how someone could come to feel like they should be the opposite gender - and are trying to make them sound like shallow throw away words. Like, "well it's just a feeling. I could feel like a rabbit."

Yes, you could feel like you are supposed to be older than you are, but until you come up with a scientific reason for that feeling, you are mentally ill.

The same cannot be said for transgenders because there is a scientific basis for their 'feelings' and that is where your analogy fails.

Your last point is proving that you are not engaging with what we are saying at all.
You want transgender people to fit your view of waking up one morning and thinking "hey I'll be the opposite gender today because reasons that are completely superfluous!"
Do you honestly think that is how it happens?

Do you not think that there is more detail and nuance to a person making that decision than the level that you are trying to strip it down to just for the sake of having an easily defensible position?

What "scientific" basis is their for the "feelings" of a transgender? I agree with 002.

Continuous wrote

Solus wrote

002 wrote

Solus wrote

002 wrote Ok, so I'm 18 years old but I identify as a 21 year old. Should I be allowed to smoke pot (legal at 21 in my state), drink alcohol, and buy a pistol? Should my 40 some-odd year old aunt be able to get social security benefits because she identifies as a 70 year old? The answer is no, just like if a male identifies as a female he still should not be going into a female's changing room or bathroom. Plain and simple.

That is not a very good analogy.
We have just shown you why a person can think that they are and be the opposite gender.
You can not be physically or psychologically older than you are.
You can be the opposite gender to what you currently are, both physically and psychologically.

Until scientists invent a hormone or surgery which ages either your brain or body respectively, you can not be older than you are.

It's a perfect analogy. How can you say that I cannot physically feel older than I am? This argument is about boys feeling like girls and girls feeling like boys, so why can't I feel older than I am? If they get to use the opposite sex bathroom, I get to drink alcohol before 21.

You cannot make your body older than it is, just like you where born a boy or a girl. You don't just wake up 1 day and think "hey, I'm a girl".

I'm sorry but you are simply refusing to see the facts here.
You are purposefully taking words like 'feeling' -words for which we have already explained how someone could come to feel like they should be the opposite gender - and are trying to make them sound like shallow throw away words. Like, "well it's just a feeling. I could feel like a rabbit."

Yes, you could feel like you are supposed to be older than you are, but until you come up with a scientific reason for that feeling, you are mentally ill.

The same cannot be said for transgenders because there is a scientific basis for their 'feelings' and that is where your analogy fails.

Your last point is proving that you are not engaging with what we are saying at all.
You want transgender people to fit your view of waking up one morning and thinking "hey I'll be the opposite gender today because reasons that are completely superfluous!"
Do you honestly think that is how it happens?

Do you not think that there is more detail and nuance to a person making that decision than the level that you are trying to strip it down to just for the sake of having an easily defensible position?

What "scientific" basis is their for the "feelings" of a transgender? I agree with 002.

I'll tell you what scientific basis there is, oh wait, there is none. You and I both know that haha. An outside person, no matter how much college education they have, can know how me, you, or your best friend "feels". Trust me, at the point that they can know how you feel, there would be no "medical mysterys".