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MourinhoIsABellend wrote
Coushy wrote
TTGTeezla wrote Agree. People doing drugs and drinking (mostly underage) to impress their friends don't deserve ANY friends.

It's all fun and games to them, yet the concequences drugs and alcahol can have on some
especially under the age of 18 can be serious. Like whats the point?


***** your life must be boring af
So because he chooses not to drink and do drugs his life must be boring "af"?


yea thats pretty much what it says
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Coushy wrote
MourinhoIsABellend wrote
Coushy wrote
TTGTeezla wrote Agree. People doing drugs and drinking (mostly underage) to impress their friends don't deserve ANY friends.

It's all fun and games to them, yet the concequences drugs and alcahol can have on some
especially under the age of 18 can be serious. Like whats the point?


***** your life must be boring af
So because he chooses not to drink and do drugs his life must be boring "af"?


yea thats pretty much what it says
Huh? what what says? im not saying i agree with his post btw because i dont but it seems like you're saying that people who dont do drugs or drink lifes are boring. Correct me if thats not what you're saying.
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Anything is terrible if you take too much of it. Drink too much and destroy your liver, take too much sugar and you'll destroy your pancreas.

I personally think all drugs should be banned, except weed and steroids, since they do little harm and can be controlled.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their own body, so long that it doesn't harm anyone else.
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Motivational wrote Anything is terrible if you take too much of it. Drink too much and destroy your liver, take too much sugar and you'll destroy your pancreas.

I personally think all drugs should be banned, except weed and steroids, since they do little harm and can be controlled.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their own body, so long that it doesn't harm anyone else.


I agree with everything here except your point about banning drugs.

Gang violence in the US increased exponentially once the drug war was instigated. If people want to take drugs they will get them in any way that they can, even if that includes breaking the law.
States in the US which have legalized the sale of marijuana, like Colorado, have seen decreases in crime rates, increases in tax revenue and an increase in jobs.

Criminalizing drugs pushes the market for them underground and into the hands of criminals where the product is sub-standard, sometimes dangerously so, and the revenue fuels violent crime.

In my opinion, they should legalize all drugs, including Class A drugs.
With this legalization, there should be a monumental increase in education about drugs, their negative effects and their positive ones.

Ethically speaking, a substance having negative effects on a person's health when overused is not a reason to ban them from using said substance. Otherwise McDonalds and KFC would be illegal.
Like you said, anything is terrible if you take too much of it.


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Solus wrote
Motivational wrote Anything is terrible if you take too much of it. Drink too much and destroy your liver, take too much sugar and you'll destroy your pancreas.

I personally think all drugs should be banned, except weed and steroids, since they do little harm and can be controlled.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their own body, so long that it doesn't harm anyone else.


I agree with everything here except your point about banning drugs.

Gang violence in the US increased exponentially once the drug war was instigated. If people want to take drugs they will get them in any way that they can, even if that includes breaking the law.
States in the US which have legalized the sale of marijuana, like Colorado, have seen decreases in crime rates, increases in tax revenue and an increase in jobs.

Criminalizing drugs pushes the market for them underground and into the hands of criminals where the product is sub-standard, sometimes dangerously so, and the revenue fuels violent crime.

In my opinion, they should legalize all drugs, even including Class A drugs.
With this legalization, there should be a monumental increase in education about drugs, their negative effects and their positive ones.

Ethically speaking, a substance having negative effects on a person's health when overused is not a reason to ban them from using said substance. Otherwise McDonalds and KFC would be illegal.
Like you said, anything is terrible if you take too much of it.


I completely agree. Once you tell the kids they can't have the cookies, they all fight over it. If you say go ahead and take the cookies, there is less violence. With legalizing drugs and even having say cocain in a medical store, it will decrease private party sale which decreases disputes which decreases violence and crime.
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Solus wrote
Motivational wrote Anything is terrible if you take too much of it. Drink too much and destroy your liver, take too much sugar and you'll destroy your pancreas.

I personally think all drugs should be banned, except weed and steroids, since they do little harm and can be controlled.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their own body, so long that it doesn't harm anyone else.


I agree with everything here except your point about banning drugs.

Gang violence in the US increased exponentially once the drug war was instigated. If people want to take drugs they will get them in any way that they can, even if that includes breaking the law.
States in the US which have legalized the sale of marijuana, like Colorado, have seen decreases in crime rates, increases in tax revenue and an increase in jobs.

Criminalizing drugs pushes the market for them underground and into the hands of criminals where the product is sub-standard, sometimes dangerously so, and the revenue fuels violent crime.

In my opinion, they should legalize all drugs, even including Class A drugs.
With this legalization, there should be a monumental increase in education about drugs, their negative effects and their positive ones.

Ethically speaking, a substance having negative effects on a person's health when overused is not a reason to ban them from using said substance. Otherwise McDonalds and KFC would be illegal.
Like you said, anything is terrible if you take too much of it.


You do make some very good points. I doubt it will ever happen though, I'd be fine with what you said so long as they'd at least put an age restriction to buy these drugs.

You also have to consider that these drugs are extremely expensive and since they'd be legal and far easier to access, of course more people would be using them. So I would ask, what happens when someone in the lower wealth region (most drug users) can't afford their drugs anymore? Surely they'll do whatever it takes and committing crimes would be their first source of money.

If we could find a way to make them less addictive or less potent, I think it would definitely work.
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Motivational wrote
Solus wrote
Motivational wrote Anything is terrible if you take too much of it. Drink too much and destroy your liver, take too much sugar and you'll destroy your pancreas.

I personally think all drugs should be banned, except weed and steroids, since they do little harm and can be controlled.

Of course anyone can do what they want with their own body, so long that it doesn't harm anyone else.


I agree with everything here except your point about banning drugs.

Gang violence in the US increased exponentially once the drug war was instigated. If people want to take drugs they will get them in any way that they can, even if that includes breaking the law.
States in the US which have legalized the sale of marijuana, like Colorado, have seen decreases in crime rates, increases in tax revenue and an increase in jobs.

Criminalizing drugs pushes the market for them underground and into the hands of criminals where the product is sub-standard, sometimes dangerously so, and the revenue fuels violent crime.

In my opinion, they should legalize all drugs, even including Class A drugs.
With this legalization, there should be a monumental increase in education about drugs, their negative effects and their positive ones.

Ethically speaking, a substance having negative effects on a person's health when overused is not a reason to ban them from using said substance. Otherwise McDonalds and KFC would be illegal.
Like you said, anything is terrible if you take too much of it.


You do make some very good points. I doubt it will ever happen though, I'd be fine with what you said so long as they'd at least put an age restriction to buy these drugs.

You also have to consider that these drugs are extremely expensive and since they'd be legal and far easier to access, of course more people would be using them. So I would ask, what happens when someone in the lower wealth region (most drug users) can't afford their drugs anymore? Surely they'll do whatever it takes and committing crimes would be their first source of money.

If we could find a way to make them less addictive or less potent, I think it would definitely work.


At the moment, drug prices are uncharacteristically higher than they would be if all drugs were legalized.
Criminals are setting the prices, so the prices are criminal.

Firstly, I am unaware of any statistics which show that with legalization comes increased usage.
We know that there is a culture surrounding drug use at the moment which makes it a cool thing to do. Relating this back to the topic.
I think that with legalization the amount of users would either drop, or their usage would become much more controlled. But like I said, I am unaware of any statistics on the usage metric.

Edit: I answer your question about the a drug addict committing a crime in this spoiler. I realized that it is quite long winded and relatively obvious.
Basically. The person goes to prison, is rehabilitated, and has their drug habit cleaned up.
If you want more detail on that and some other issues surrounding that then read the spoiler, but it is all quite irrelevant if the point after the spoiler is correct.

Secondly, to address your question about someone committing a crime to be able to afford their drugs.

This would have to be a collaboration across multiple facets of public life. We could not rely on just the vendors, the education system, or the prison system to combat something like this.
In many ways it is a very idealistic view of society but even if it did not work perfectly, it would still make things better than they are at the moment.

But let's take our hypothetical drug addict and his crime and see what we would do with him. Let's call him Bill.
Bill would serve the time for this crime and then be released. In the world of legalized drugs, Bill would be forced into a drug rehabilitation scheme. Some people might take issue with us forcing Bill into this and I would agree with them if Bill had not just threatened someone's life for the sake of his addiction. We could think of this as an extension of Bill's prison time. This rehabilitation could occur while he is in prison, but then many people might think that he was being given an easier time than he deserves, but prison ethics is a debate for a different time.
The most extreme version of this drug rehabilitation that I would encourage would be a high security hospital, but those specifics can be debated.

The entire point of the prison system is both to punish Bill for his crime and to prevent Bill committing a future crime.
If Bill robbed someone to buy drugs, but Bill is no longer addicted to drugs, Bill is unlikely to try to rob someone again.
Bill will wait, save up his money, and get his occasional fix. Bill might relapse, but if we were to compare the percentage of drug related crimes in a world in which this system exists, and the world as it is now, the former would quite obviously be a lot lower.
Robberies are always going to have reasons for happening, nobody gets robbed in a vacuum, it is how we stop that same person from robbing someone in the future and the most logical way of doing that is to remove their motivation.


If this is not an adequate answer because it does not prevent the original crime, this hypothetical does beg a far more interesting question.
Society seems fine - for the most part - with alcohol being legal. Alcohol is far more addicting than many criminalized substances, and it is far more responsible for, or at least linked with, violent crime than a substance like marijuana.
For example, 58% of those imprisoned for rape in 2003 had been drinking alcohol in the six hours prior to the incident.
Is it not a plausible situation for our drug addict to be an alcoholic instead, robbing for money to buy his next bottle of whiskey?
Or even being violent while under the effects of alcohol. Society seems perfectly fine with accepting these risks.
I think this is just a case of people accepting the devil they do know over the devil they do not.
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Durning highschool all of my friends thought it was the cool thing to do was drugs and drink and right now half of them dont have jobs or not going to school. Drinking every once in a while is fun but drinking every weekend gets old pretty fast tbh.
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I don't drink much and I don't do drugs. I don't care if people I hang out with do either of those things. As long as someone can have fun with me when they're sober is good enough for me. If a persons habits affects the important things around them, we can't be friends simple as that.
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I think people glorify it more than it needs to be.
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