You are viewing our Forum Archives. To view or take place in current topics click here.
Pro-Firearm Americans (and others doesn't matter) Pls read
Posted:
Pro-Firearm Americans (and others doesn't matter) Pls readPosted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 19, 201113Year Member
Posts: 2,037
Reputation Power: 1150
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 19, 201113Year Member
Posts: 2,037
Reputation Power: 1150
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
Let that sink in.
Also:
For those about to use the argument that terrorists/criminals won't abide by gun ownership rules anyway - yes, that may be the case, however in a country where firearms are imported and legally sold, almost any retard can walk into a shop and buy a weapon for someone by proxy, Columbine being a direct case in point. As well as many of your other mass shootings.
If you don't believe me, how do other countries with equal amounts of criminality not have public shooting problems?
Also #2:
Those who will argue that they need a gun to protect themselves/family - ask yourselves this, why were there 23,647 registered firearm incidents in comparison to the UKs' 44? Even with similar rates of criminal activity per capita? Oh yeah, everyone owns a gun to protect themselves!!! In fact. Let's further this assertion. You guys remember Israel? that country in constant conflict with Palestine over land in the Gaza strip? A city with far less police training than both UK and USA? they recorded 1 unsolicited death relating to a firearm in 2015. So in short - Guns don't = protection, they lead to more crime and far more serious crime too.
Get over your primal need to shoot things as a hobby hunters and perhaps buy an air rifle if you feel so inclined..
Also a lot of my sourcing comes from the ONS (Offfice of National Statistics) as well as this handy article you can read if you feel you need more convincing:
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
Let that sink in.
Also:
For those about to use the argument that terrorists/criminals won't abide by gun ownership rules anyway - yes, that may be the case, however in a country where firearms are imported and legally sold, almost any retard can walk into a shop and buy a weapon for someone by proxy, Columbine being a direct case in point. As well as many of your other mass shootings.
If you don't believe me, how do other countries with equal amounts of criminality not have public shooting problems?
Also #2:
Those who will argue that they need a gun to protect themselves/family - ask yourselves this, why were there 23,647 registered firearm incidents in comparison to the UKs' 44? Even with similar rates of criminal activity per capita? Oh yeah, everyone owns a gun to protect themselves!!! In fact. Let's further this assertion. You guys remember Israel? that country in constant conflict with Palestine over land in the Gaza strip? A city with far less police training than both UK and USA? they recorded 1 unsolicited death relating to a firearm in 2015. So in short - Guns don't = protection, they lead to more crime and far more serious crime too.
Get over your primal need to shoot things as a hobby hunters and perhaps buy an air rifle if you feel so inclined..
Also a lot of my sourcing comes from the ONS (Offfice of National Statistics) as well as this handy article you can read if you feel you need more convincing:
[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
The following 4 users thanked nice_gamer for this useful post:
Spartan (06-16-2016), RL9 (06-16-2016), Friendlypcnerd (06-16-2016), americansareautists (06-15-2016)
#2. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 08, 201311Year Member
Posts: 1,728
Reputation Power: 137
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 08, 201311Year Member
Posts: 1,728
Reputation Power: 137
If you want to put your opinion on the situation, I'd suggest you head over here, there's a huge rant about it.
https://www.thetechgame.com/Forums/t=7572000/gun-laws-in-the-usa.html
https://www.thetechgame.com/Forums/t=7572000/gun-laws-in-the-usa.html
- 3useful
- 1not useful
#3. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Jan 12, 201113Year Member
Posts: 11,617
Reputation Power: 654
Status: Offline
Joined: Jan 12, 201113Year Member
Posts: 11,617
Reputation Power: 654
Seems like you forgot the UK is an island, where it is near impossible to illegally bring anything in. Compared to us here in the states, two huge borders with land and water.
And it is true we have a very high rate of gun violence per capita. But if you take out the three largest cities that have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation (L.A., Chicago, and New York), we have a very very low rate of gun violence. And that is a fact.
Also, how did gun bans work out for Brussels, Paris, and San Bernardino?
Don't fear inanimate objects, my friend.
And it is true we have a very high rate of gun violence per capita. But if you take out the three largest cities that have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation (L.A., Chicago, and New York), we have a very very low rate of gun violence. And that is a fact.
Also, how did gun bans work out for Brussels, Paris, and San Bernardino?
Don't fear inanimate objects, my friend.
- 11useful
- 1not useful
#4. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Dec 27, 201310Year Member
Posts: 1,147
Reputation Power: 4
Over here in the UK It's only knife crimes, Never hear anything about guns
- 2useful
- 1not useful
#5. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 19, 201113Year Member
Posts: 2,037
Reputation Power: 1150
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 19, 201113Year Member
Posts: 2,037
Reputation Power: 1150
Miss wrote Seems like you forgot the UK is an island, where it is near impossible to illegally bring anything in. Compared to us here in the states, two huge borders with land and water.
And it is true we have a very high rate of gun violence per capita. But if you take out the three largest cities that have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation (L.A., Chicago, and New York), we have a very very low rate of gun violence. And that is a fact.
Also, how did gun bans work out for Brussels, Paris, and San Bernardino?
Don't fear inanimate objects, my friend.
So your argument is that inordinately high rates of gun crime, killing thousands of children, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers is okay, because it only happens in three concentrated points within your country? Ok dude. Also another basis of your argument to keep firearms, regardless of the death tolls they forge is on the back of other countries having an easier time banning them and thats unfair that you have to deal with two whole borders? So you're basically saying we may as well keep it legalised cause it's hard to enforce a rule. Again, Ok dude.
I'd like to see some figures detailing how the rest of the cities/states don't make up for much gun crime if you are going to claim its a fact, by the way.
Also your reference to firearms as "inanimate objects" suggests that you blame the people wielding them (which is completely logical I agree) however, you would sooner try to change the psychology of millions of Americans capable of killing other human beings rather than put a ban on the objects allowing them to do so? Okay, lets see how that works out.
When will you guys realise that "freedom" as you describe the right to bear arms as is irrelevant if you aren't alive to exercise it.
Last edited by nice_gamer ; edited 1 time in total
- 5useful
- 2not useful
#6. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Mar 25, 201212Year Member
Posts: 4,048
Reputation Power: 615
Status: Offline
Joined: Mar 25, 201212Year Member
Posts: 4,048
Reputation Power: 615
some of the gun laws are a bit silly over in the us, its like comparing how many police have killed people with guns in the uk to the us, something needs to be changed with gun laws in the us but then i like the law in the us about legally keeping guns in your home as you can then legally defend your self against intruders
- 1useful
- 0not useful
#7. Posted:
Status: Online
Joined: Apr 23, 201212Year Member
Posts: 5,703
Reputation Power: 23886
Motto: Yamborghini: Shawn the pedos are pedoing again #BanMaze
Motto: Yamborghini: Shawn the pedos are pedoing again #BanMaze
Status: Online
Joined: Apr 23, 201212Year Member
Posts: 5,703
Reputation Power: 23886
Motto: Yamborghini: Shawn the pedos are pedoing again #BanMaze
#8. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 13, 200915Year Member
Posts: 7,815
Reputation Power: 3052
Status: Offline
Joined: Jul 13, 200915Year Member
Posts: 7,815
Reputation Power: 3052
#9. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 201410Year Member
Posts: 4,817
Reputation Power: 7349
Status: Offline
Joined: Sep 25, 201410Year Member
Posts: 4,817
Reputation Power: 7349
Oh boy, this topic again.
Hmm, let's look at some numbers. The UK has 64.1 million people, and the US has 318.9 million people. There are going to be a lot more issues in the US regardless....
Ok, next. 32k people die every year from guns. That's what? 0.01% of the population? Oh, but let's not forget that 20k of those deaths where suicide, and 2k where gang related. Cool, so now we're down to 10k deaths, that's 0.003% of the population? Is that honestly a big enough number to justify taking guns away from the rest of the people?
According to the Trackers data, which defines a massacre as an incident in which at least four people are killed or wounded, there were 372 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2015, killing 475 and wounding 1,870. We know that gang violence roughly accounts for what? 15% of that? That's about 56 of those shootings. Let's say that the others where all the bad people shooting up schools of innocent children and such. That's 316 mass shootings. We look at a lot of these shootings it is 1 person doing it. Let's jump the number to say that from the 316 mass shootings, 1k people where shooters. So 0.00031357792411414236% of the US population are mass shooters. That means 1 person out of every 318,900 people are "mass shooters". 1 out of every 318,900, should that 1 person being an idiot account for guns being taken away for the next 318,900 people behind them? NO.
But please, I'm all ears. What do YOU suppose we should do? There are all sorts of people saying America is a horrible place because 0.0003% of the population are shooters and 0.003% of the population die from guns, so how do we solve it? We can't simply take them away, because I as a law abiding citizen will not hand in my gun, along with many others. I often hear that people want stricter regulations on how you get guns. I have yet to hear a viable option as to what else we can do. As it stands right now, if you buy a gun at a legal FFL you know that they do everything but know what will happen with the gun in the next 20 years. I do agree however that being able to sell guns at a gun show without a registered FFL there should be illegal. Yes, you are supposed to go to an FFL to transfer it into your name, but if anyone has done that, you know that it's like going to the DMV for a new drivers license picture. It sucks, so people don't do it. The only way past it that I can see is have 1 legal FFL booth for every 5 gun booths and make sure no one leaves with a gun that they did not transfer. Another way to do it is write everyone's names down and have a signing party at an FFL the next day. For example I'd go there, I see a gun I want say I'll buy this gun, write my name down and let's get it registered tomorrow, all the while the gun is still at the booth until it is in your name. That's all we can do.
Hmm, let's look at some numbers. The UK has 64.1 million people, and the US has 318.9 million people. There are going to be a lot more issues in the US regardless....
Ok, next. 32k people die every year from guns. That's what? 0.01% of the population? Oh, but let's not forget that 20k of those deaths where suicide, and 2k where gang related. Cool, so now we're down to 10k deaths, that's 0.003% of the population? Is that honestly a big enough number to justify taking guns away from the rest of the people?
According to the Trackers data, which defines a massacre as an incident in which at least four people are killed or wounded, there were 372 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2015, killing 475 and wounding 1,870. We know that gang violence roughly accounts for what? 15% of that? That's about 56 of those shootings. Let's say that the others where all the bad people shooting up schools of innocent children and such. That's 316 mass shootings. We look at a lot of these shootings it is 1 person doing it. Let's jump the number to say that from the 316 mass shootings, 1k people where shooters. So 0.00031357792411414236% of the US population are mass shooters. That means 1 person out of every 318,900 people are "mass shooters". 1 out of every 318,900, should that 1 person being an idiot account for guns being taken away for the next 318,900 people behind them? NO.
But please, I'm all ears. What do YOU suppose we should do? There are all sorts of people saying America is a horrible place because 0.0003% of the population are shooters and 0.003% of the population die from guns, so how do we solve it? We can't simply take them away, because I as a law abiding citizen will not hand in my gun, along with many others. I often hear that people want stricter regulations on how you get guns. I have yet to hear a viable option as to what else we can do. As it stands right now, if you buy a gun at a legal FFL you know that they do everything but know what will happen with the gun in the next 20 years. I do agree however that being able to sell guns at a gun show without a registered FFL there should be illegal. Yes, you are supposed to go to an FFL to transfer it into your name, but if anyone has done that, you know that it's like going to the DMV for a new drivers license picture. It sucks, so people don't do it. The only way past it that I can see is have 1 legal FFL booth for every 5 gun booths and make sure no one leaves with a gun that they did not transfer. Another way to do it is write everyone's names down and have a signing party at an FFL the next day. For example I'd go there, I see a gun I want say I'll buy this gun, write my name down and let's get it registered tomorrow, all the while the gun is still at the booth until it is in your name. That's all we can do.
- 5useful
- 2not useful
#10. Posted:
Status: Offline
Joined: Jan 12, 201113Year Member
Posts: 11,617
Reputation Power: 654
Status: Offline
Joined: Jan 12, 201113Year Member
Posts: 11,617
Reputation Power: 654
notvote4memotm2016XD wroteMiss wrote Seems like you forgot the UK is an island, where it is near impossible to illegally bring anything in. Compared to us here in the states, two huge borders with land and water.
And it is true we have a very high rate of gun violence per capita. But if you take out the three largest cities that have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation (L.A., Chicago, and New York), we have a very very low rate of gun violence. And that is a fact.
Also, how did gun bans work out for Brussels, Paris, and San Bernardino?
Don't fear inanimate objects, my friend.
So your argument is that inordinately high rates of gun crime, killing thousands of children, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers is okay, because it only happens in three concentrated points within your country? Ok dude. Also another basis of your argument to keep firearms, regardless of the death tolls they forge is on the back of other countries having an easier time banning them and thats unfair that you have to deal with two whole borders? So you're basically saying we may as well keep it legalised cause it's hard to enforce a rule. Again, Ok dude.
I'd like to see some figures detailing how the rest of the cities/states don't make up for much gun crime if you are going to claim its a fact, by the way.
Also your reference to firearms as "inanimate objects" suggests that you blame the people wielding them (which is completely logical I agree) however, you would sooner try to change the psychology of millions of Americans capable of killing other human beings rather than put a ban on the objects allowing them to do so? Okay, lets see how that works out.
When will you guys realise that "freedom" as you describe the right to bear arms as is irrelevant if you aren't alive to exercise it.
64% of all gun deaths in the U.S. are from suicide. With males being 85% of those deaths. So no one is going around killing sisters, mothers, etc.
You also don't understand or know the constitution clearly, so I'll ignore them being "legal".
I don't have to show any facts, just tell me the last time you heard of a mass shooting in Texas? Or better yet, how is Mexico doing with their gun ban? Or Colombia. Or Venezuela.
I don't blame the welder, I blame the crazy person holding it. Same way liberals don't blame all Muslims for the action of one. Why blame all gun owners?
When will you realize criminals don't follow the law, hence why they're criminals. Banning guns only takes them away from law-abiding citizens.
Cars, pills, and diseases are the three main causes of death here in the U.S., want us to ban them three as well?
- 8useful
- 2not useful
You are viewing our Forum Archives. To view or take place in current topics click here.