DF wrote

IPv6 wrote

DF wrote If you're not ready for parenthood, absolutely. If a mothers life is in danger, absolutely. If the child will be born with life altering and devestating problems, absolutely. It's the choice of the person carrying the child, simple as that (obviously with discussions involving the father. Ultimately, however, it should be the mothers choice in this instance).

"If the child will be born with life altering and devestating problems" So your saying that if they know the baby is going to have a birth defect then just **** it the baby don't have the right to live. I was born with a heart condition and had 3 major heart surgery's and at 17 had a heart transplant, i did have "devastating problems" but i fought hard until i finally had my transplant. Im really glad my parents didn't think like this and just took the easy road out they had the option to pull the plug but they didn't and im alive and health today. Reading that just made me sick.

A life altering disability, permanent incapacity. I did not say that the baby doesn't have a right to live, that is a complete fallacy. I'm sorry for what you've been through, but don't try and turn my post into something it isnt

I did not turn anything around you said abort the baby if it is born with life altering devastating problems how is that "turning your post into something it isn't". and by aborting it you are taking the babys right to live.

IF your gonna kill the child kill the mother also so she wont have an excuse to get knocked up and continue to do the same thing .

Mkz wrote IF your gonna kill the child kill the mother also so she wont have an excuse to get knocked up and continue to do the same thing .

Are you going to address the points that people have raised against you or just pretend that they don't exist?
You aren't going to convince anyone by using the term 'child' because we don't view a fetus without a nervous system or any kind of conscious awareness in the same way that we would view a child.

Your guilt tripping isn't working and isn't going to work because you are falsely equivocating a literal glob of goop with one of these:



You need to convince us that we should view a pre-23 week fetus as a child and trying to guilt trip people isn't the best way to convince them that you are right.

@IPv6 I see that you disagree with me on something but you haven't replied directly. I would like to know what you disagreed with in my post so that we can discuss it.
This is a discussion forum after all.

IPv6 wrote

DF wrote

IPv6 wrote

DF wrote If you're not ready for parenthood, absolutely. If a mothers life is in danger, absolutely. If the child will be born with life altering and devestating problems, absolutely. It's the choice of the person carrying the child, simple as that (obviously with discussions involving the father. Ultimately, however, it should be the mothers choice in this instance).

"If the child will be born with life altering and devestating problems" So your saying that if they know the baby is going to have a birth defect then just **** it the baby don't have the right to live. I was born with a heart condition and had 3 major heart surgery's and at 17 had a heart transplant, i did have "devastating problems" but i fought hard until i finally had my transplant. Im really glad my parents didn't think like this and just took the easy road out they had the option to pull the plug but they didn't and im alive and health today. Reading that just made me sick.

A life altering disability, permanent incapacity. I did not say that the baby doesn't have a right to live, that is a complete fallacy. I'm sorry for what you've been through, but don't try and turn my post into something it isnt

I did not turn anything around you said abort the baby if it is born with life altering devastating problems how is that "turning your post into something it isn't". and by aborting it you are taking the babys right to live.

I said :

If you're not ready for parenthood, absolutely. If a mothers life is in danger, absolutely. If the child will be born with life altering and devestating problems, absolutely. It's the choice of the person carrying the child, simple as that

The mother can choose, she will be bringing it into the world. Simple.

I didn't explain my position. For some reason, I felt I didn't really have to. For some reason... Anyway, I am fine with abortions. I always hear people say things like, "Oh, so you are for killing? You are against life?" Meh, we are all ok with killing life to some degree. Animals, plants, death penalty, war. People like to describe an embryo and fetus as an innocent, human life. I kind of disagree. Is it life and genetically human? Sure. That isn't necessarily what makes something a human life though. In my opinion, it is all about the consciousness. When that is developed enough, then we can talk. I mean, are brain dead people really still considered human life? They are gone, but their body still lives. It is nothing more than a shell at that point. Overall, it isn't killing human life, it is stopping it before it becomes human life. Potential human life shouldn't be considered as important as actual human life.

Veidt wrote

Lavish wrote

Mkz wrote No should not be legal some twisted **** wants to take out an innocent child think for others not yourself.

90% of abortions are done before 13 weeks, when the "child" is a 7 inch glob of goop.
You're telling me that if your mother or sister was raped, you'd tell her to keep her mouth shut and have the baby?

He's probably saying that glob of goop should have second amendment rights too.
Hospitals will need to get court orders before they can do ultrasounds to protect the glob of goop from unreasonable search and seizure.

Can't take dat goop's guns.

Illustrated wrote

Veidt wrote

Lavish wrote

Mkz wrote No should not be legal some twisted **** wants to take out an innocent child think for others not yourself.

90% of abortions are done before 13 weeks, when the "child" is a 7 inch glob of goop.
You're telling me that if your mother or sister was raped, you'd tell her to keep her mouth shut and have the baby?

He's probably saying that glob of goop should have second amendment rights too.
Hospitals will need to get court orders before they can do ultrasounds to protect the glob of goop from unreasonable search and seizure.

Can't take dat goop's guns.

Yeah because a glob of goop doesn't have a heartbeat at just 21 days either. I really wish people would state how old they were next to their opinion.

I just want to know of people on here looking beyond the media? Who has done reasearch on facilities who perform these acts?

RepBandit wrote

Illustrated wrote

Veidt wrote

Lavish wrote

Mkz wrote No should not be legal some twisted **** wants to take out an innocent child think for others not yourself.

90% of abortions are done before 13 weeks, when the "child" is a 7 inch glob of goop.
You're telling me that if your mother or sister was raped, you'd tell her to keep her mouth shut and have the baby?

He's probably saying that glob of goop should have second amendment rights too.
Hospitals will need to get court orders before they can do ultrasounds to protect the glob of goop from unreasonable search and seizure.

Can't take dat goop's guns.

Yeah because a glob of goop doesn't have a heartbeat at just 21 days either. I really wish people would state how old they were next to their opinion.

I just want to know of people on here looking beyond the media? Who has done reasearch on facilities who perform these acts?

>reasearch

God I hope you don't vote...

Mkz wrote IF your gonna kill the child kill the mother also so she wont have an excuse to get knocked up and continue to do the same thing .

"taking an unborn life is bad, but kill the people who think MURDER is fine "

Good argument lol.

As others have said, I think abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped.