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002 wrote
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Yin wrote Well, women should have a special right. Abortion. The current US government wants to limit it more. Also, the protest is more of a sign of unity and solidarity. Majority of Americans have their opinions. I feel it is a great thing. It is a good contrast to what we have been shown by out current government.

Why should women be able to kill a little baby for stupid reasons in most cases? I can understand if you were raped or something like that, then a abortion might be justified. But in most cases, it is women that had sex and "somehow got pregnant". Think about how the world would be if Bill Gates or Steve Jobs was aborted.


Someone would have taken there place eventually. It goes the other way too. What if someone like Hitler or Stalin was aborted? Anyway, doesn't mater. I don't see them as "babies." They are life that are genetically human, but they aren't human beings. They need some type of awareness. They need a consciousness. Are brain dead people really still people? I think that they are dead. It is just a shell at that point. I also don't think women should be forced to be a human incubator to something that isn't even aware. That is an unneeded punishment.

The definition of a human being...
1.
any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.
2.
a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:

You do not need to be aware or conscious to be a human being. Yes brain dead people are still human. But they are dead, they are not living like a "baby" is. As I said, rape would be a justified reason for a abortion. But as for this statement...
I also don't think women should be forced to be a human incubator to something that isn't even aware. That is an unneeded punishment.

Unless you are raped, you would have to WILLINGLY have sex. You would not be forced to be a human incubator. Unless you are raped, you have a choice. If you want to have sex, then get some birth control. There are things that can be done so that you do not need a abortion. It is completely preventable.


I agree with you on this. Women should not be allowed to get an abortion. Life is still life no matter how young they are


So what about the couple that are having sex, he has a condom, she is on birth control, and she still gets pregnant? It happens, neither method is 100%.

If you would have read some of my past replies, you would know that I said that is a justified reason for a abortion. If you take the precautions and it still does not protect you, then that would be justified.
But if you just went in "raw dog", then that is completely unacceptable. Sure, you could get the abortion, if it means saving the kid from a bad life. But the parents, should serve jail time, or at the very least, a fine. It is senseless killing.

I disagree with jail time. Our jails are already over populated as it is. Why would we send idiots to the same place as rapists, murderers, and robbers?
This is a pointless arguement.

You are killing a baby when you get a abortion. How many times do I have to say this? And if you are worried about her being with "other" murder's then you can have her in a low security prison.

I don't want to hear about how it is not a "human being". Sure if it is only a week or two old, maybe you could argue that. But if you have waited months to have a abortion, then that is murder.

I refuse to argue anymore, nobody is going to change their minds.

I will leave it at this.
It is your life, do what you want to do.

But if I find someone and I want to have a kid with her, then she is not going to have a abortion and kill what would be my kid.
If you want to live with the fact that you killed your kid, then fine.
But I refuse to let that happen to me.
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Continuous wrote You are killing a baby when you get a abortion.


92% of abortions are performed within 13 weeks, when the """""""""baby""""""""" is a 3 inch glob of goop.
Only 1.2% of abortions are preformed after 21 weeks, which is still before there is a central nervous system, and it's only in cases of rape, incest, and fatal fetal defects.


You're literally arguing that the moment your done having sex, there is a third person in the room or that a baby is being killed whenever you jack off.
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So then you're telling someone "Hey, sorry you didn't mean to have a baby but guess what? You're going to have it! All the other kids in the foster homes can't find a home, but YOUR baby is special, it will get a home". If that's what you're standing for, then I will personally deliver a bunch of babies to your door step. What you're going to be left with is more screwed up kids or parents on drugs, stealing from other people just to try and stay alive.

Financially, economically, and population wise, abortion is great.
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Sophist wrote It was mainly to protect women's rights. There is also sexual abuse and abortion rights. In my opinion, women should have the right to control their own ovaries.

Sexual abuse is not a choice. And sexual abuse can happen to any one, not just women.

And abortion rights? There are very few cases in which abortions are justified. One justified case, would be if you are raped. If you did not want to have a kid, then you should not be having sex. It is as simple as that. You should not kill a little baby, just because you messed up.

And no body is trying to get rid of womens rights. Men are just tired of women acting like babies and getting their way.
As 002 said...
Sorry, if you can't do the work a man can then you shouldn't be hired or get the same pay.


I'm sorry but you were correct until you said abortions can only be justified under certain circumstances. How can anyone, let alone a man, tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. It'd be naive to suggest otherwise.

You need to be objective. Women, as a whole, are treated lesser than men who are cishet and white. It's a fact. It may not seem obvious, I didn't agree at first, but it happens. Not to mention with minorities. I disagree with a lot of what your modern day feminism teaches because it's trivial, but there are certain things that should be looked at. Stopping abortions is barbaric.
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The amount of utter bullshit arguing on this topic is sad.

You're mainly arguing over abortion. Whether you're pro or against it keep your opinions to yourself.

If she doesn't want the baby and it could be from a ONS, you never know what happens. no one in the right mind has the right to tell her what she can and can't do.

Rape cases, they happen and they can't be "justified" for abortion. She has every right over her body and can abort before the fetus has a CNS. So just stop with this pointless argument. Face it, nothing will be harmed but cells and a blob within 13-15 weeks.




Let's take what @Continuous said into perspective now. The part of this rant that initially got my attention.

If you did not want to have a kid, then you should not be having sex. It is as simple as that. You should not kill a little baby, just because you messed up.


This just irks me, why? Because you're wrong in three different ways. NOWHERE in this topic was it stated that she "wanted" the kid. so stop bringing that point into perspective, the ""baby"" is unborn and is still a cell clump during the stage of abortion.

No one is killing the baby and in very few cases abortion happens outside of the 17 week stage. Who said she messed up? how is it "her" fault if a guy can't control his dick? How is she to blame? This is illogical and it is just plain wrong. You have to think clearly here, it doesn't take a million to make one. Keep that in mind.

Now i left out the first part of what you said because i already covered it in the beginning.





This topic is pointless as it only took what three people to veer it so far off that it only covers abortion. Stop the arguing because regardless how many people agree and disagree with you. You will likely not change your views and that is the end of the story.
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The reason we're talking about abortion is because that's one of those things everyone knows a little bit about and has an opinion. We should NOT keep our opinions to ourselves, this is America where we speak on our opinions and get them voted into law. The two biggest issues when a major election comes up is guns and abortion. Abortion plays a huge role in women rights.

If you're anti abortion, then don't get an abortion, but don't make it illegal for the other person who wants an abortion. I would like to expand on my idea of X abortions before no more. I think it should be X FREE abortions, if you want another abortion after that, then the bill is on you.

When getting an abortion, there are two key factors. The welfare of the baby, as well as the parents. If the parents don't think they can do a good job raising that child at that time in their life, an abortion is a good option. You have to do what's best not only for yourself, but the baby as well.
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002 wrote The reason we're talking about abortion is because that's one of those things everyone knows a little bit about and has an opinion. We should NOT keep our opinions to ourselves, this is America where we speak on our opinions and get them voted into law. The two biggest issues when a major election comes up is guns and abortion. Abortion plays a huge role in women rights.

If you're anti abortion, then don't get an abortion, but don't make it illegal for the other person who wants an abortion. I would like to expand on my idea of X abortions before no more. I think it should be X FREE abortions, if you want another abortion after that, then the bill is on you.

When getting an abortion, there are two key factors. The welfare of the baby, as well as the parents. If the parents don't think they can do a good job raising that child at that time in their life, an abortion is a good option. You have to do what's best not only for yourself, but the baby as well.


You and him keep going on about the baby "the baby". The baby isn't even developed into a "baby" at the time abortions are done. Yes there should be a limit, but you're in the end nonetheless killing a clump of cells with no CNS.

Is this just skimming through your head, now if the parents feel they aren't fit before 13 weeks it's perfectly fine. The unborn blob at 13 weeks will not feel it. So there is no "welfare" for it yet. That is seemingly skipping through your heads. Now as someone else stated at a mere 21 weeks right as it is gaining its CNS then abortion is generally not an option.

As far as anyone knowing little about, a few people in my family have had the option and taken it. Why? reasons i will not go over. The point is yes people don't always know about it but it is not that hard in any manor to do some basic thinking over with any logistics chart, and common sense about the life cycle, it is perfectly fine.

If you are for it good for you, if you're against it good for you. Once again you proved my point and repeated what you and continuous have already said over and over. No point in continuing if all you're doing is repeating the same stuff.
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The amount of utter bullshit arguing on this topic is sad.

You're mainly arguing over abortion. Whether you're pro or against it keep your opinions to yourself.

If she doesn't want the baby and it could be from a ONS, you never know what happens. no one in the right mind has the right to tell her what she can and can't do.

Rape cases, they happen and they can't be "justified" for abortion. She has every right over her body and can abort before the fetus has a CNS. So just stop with this pointless argument. Face it, nothing will be harmed but cells and a blob within 13-15 weeks.




Let's take what @Continuous said into perspective now. The part of this rant that initially got my attention.

If you did not want to have a kid, then you should not be having sex. It is as simple as that. You should not kill a little baby, just because you messed up.


This just irks me, why? Because you're wrong in three different ways. NOWHERE in this topic was it stated that she "wanted" the kid. so stop bringing that point into perspective, the ""baby"" is unborn and is still a cell clump during the stage of abortion.

No one is killing the baby and in very few cases abortion happens outside of the 17 week stage. Who said she messed up? how is it "her" fault if a guy can't control his dick? How is she to blame? This is illogical and it is just plain wrong. You have to think clearly here, it doesn't take a million to make one. Keep that in mind.

Now i left out the first part of what you said because i already covered it in the beginning.





This topic is pointless as it only took what three people to veer it so far off that it only covers abortion. Stop the arguing because regardless how many people agree and disagree with you. You will likely not change your views and that is the end of the story.

What's wrong with people having a discussion? I acknowledged within the thread that we are entitled to our own opinions. There's nothing wrong with having this argument if we were all being civil about it.
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America is so backwards socially it hurts. Imagine having debates about whether abortions should be allowed in 2017. The 1900's called, they want their talking points back.
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The only thing that Trump has done so far is sign an executive order issuing a ban on /FEDERAL FUNDING/ to organizations that provide abortion. This doesn't mean that he is totally banning abortion. It's just that the government won't be funding it and it'll be your responsibility to cover abortion costs.
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