002 wrote I apologize in advance as what I am about to say has a huge chance of offending a lot of you and probably changing the way you view me. With that said I will put a spoil on it so if you don't want to see my unpopular opinion you don't have to. If you do, more power to you.

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I travel and I see plenty of homeless and it's pretty simple to see why they're homeless on a basic level, they can't help themselves. I'll stay on topic of veterans as that's what this topic is about and what annoys me so bad.

First off we do have a lot of homeless vets. Why? As I said, they can't help themselves. How many programs like train a vet do we see? How many major companies advertise that they hire vets before regular civilians? How many help lines are there for vets? There is a lot to get them back in the work force, especially in the retail and construction industry.

The excuses are always the same. "I don't have a phone so they can't contact me", or "I don't have a house so I can't get a job". I know that a lot of shelters will let you use their address as your to get a job, and prepaid phones aren't that expensive, and I'm sure that there are programs to get vets phones (I know there are programs to get the disabled phones).

From the sounds of it, these vets get out of the service and don't know what to do after so they just don't look, or they look and they don't want to do X job. Why is it so difficult to apply for section 8 housing when you get out? Why is it so difficult to put in your application saying your a vet fresh out of the service in need of a job? Why is it so difficult to get $50 for a phone? Why is it so difficult to go to a truck stop and spend the $2-$5 for a shower for a job interview? At the end of the day it might be hard, but it's not impossible. These people look at it as a huge mountain to overcome and they just never start the climb.

Now sure, there are some who's significant other left them and took the house, kids, car, and half the money / belongings so it might be a little hard for them. Do you know how much money they make? They actually do make a lot of money pan handling, however they would rather spend it on cigarettes, drugs, or alcohol before they use it to further their life.

Anyway, that's my unpopular opinion and the homeless crisis is sad, however some people aren't willing to help themselves and that is most of the homeless population. I simply won't even think about donating to a homeless person if I see they smoke or if they look like a druggy or alcoholic. The joke when we're on the road is we don't donate unless they're missing a limb (boss man gave $100 to a guy missing a leg but won't donate to anyone else). It's true, if you have all your limbs and you take a shower and have decent clothes, you have the means to get a job and help yourself. If your missing a limb that might be more difficult as it limits what jobs you can get.

Dusknoir wrote

002 wrote I apologize in advance as what I am about to say has a huge chance of offending a lot of you and probably changing the way you view me. With that said I will put a spoil on it so if you don't want to see my unpopular opinion you don't have to. If you do, more power to you.

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I travel and I see plenty of homeless and it's pretty simple to see why they're homeless on a basic level, they can't help themselves. I'll stay on topic of veterans as that's what this topic is about and what annoys me so bad.

First off we do have a lot of homeless vets. Why? As I said, they can't help themselves. How many programs like train a vet do we see? How many major companies advertise that they hire vets before regular civilians? How many help lines are there for vets? There is a lot to get them back in the work force, especially in the retail and construction industry.

The excuses are always the same. "I don't have a phone so they can't contact me", or "I don't have a house so I can't get a job". I know that a lot of shelters will let you use their address as your to get a job, and prepaid phones aren't that expensive, and I'm sure that there are programs to get vets phones (I know there are programs to get the disabled phones).

From the sounds of it, these vets get out of the service and don't know what to do after so they just don't look, or they look and they don't want to do X job. Why is it so difficult to apply for section 8 housing when you get out? Why is it so difficult to put in your application saying your a vet fresh out of the service in need of a job? Why is it so difficult to get $50 for a phone? Why is it so difficult to go to a truck stop and spend the $2-$5 for a shower for a job interview? At the end of the day it might be hard, but it's not impossible. These people look at it as a huge mountain to overcome and they just never start the climb.

Now sure, there are some who's significant other left them and took the house, kids, car, and half the money / belongings so it might be a little hard for them. Do you know how much money they make? They actually do make a lot of money pan handling, however they would rather spend it on cigarettes, drugs, or alcohol before they use it to further their life.

Anyway, that's my unpopular opinion and the homeless crisis is sad, however some people aren't willing to help themselves and that is most of the homeless population. I simply won't even think about donating to a homeless person if I see they smoke or if they look like a druggy or alcoholic. The joke when we're on the road is we don't donate unless they're missing a limb (boss man gave $100 to a guy missing a leg but won't donate to anyone else). It's true, if you have all your limbs and you take a shower and have decent clothes, you have the means to get a job and help yourself. If your missing a limb that might be more difficult as it limits what jobs you can get.

There's more to getting a job then just looking good man some people have substance abuse issues, mental health conditions, and all kinds of other problems. You don't know the reason as to why people don't have a job unless you sit down and talk to them. If you're homeless you have no money to just spend $2 for that shower or $5 for that meal or anything. You have to rely on good samartians to help you sometimes. Yes there are some lazy homeless people who just choose not to work but that's just the bad apple in the bunch, a lot of the times these guys have no where to turn and; not to be hateful but when people like you that have mindset to think it's their fault.. is wrong. You gotta think as if you are in their shoes. I know for a fact that anyone here if they were homeless, veteran or not you would be facing the real hardships and burdens that come with homelessness.

RedWood wrote I don't get it, why are so many people hating on this poor guy trying to spread awareness for something that is affecting real people?

Glock- wrote Take your shit somewhere else.

Dusknoir wrote

002 wrote I apologize in advance as what I am about to say has a huge chance of offending a lot of you and probably changing the way you view me. With that said I will put a spoil on it so if you don't want to see my unpopular opinion you don't have to. If you do, more power to you.

Click to View Content

I travel and I see plenty of homeless and it's pretty simple to see why they're homeless on a basic level, they can't help themselves. I'll stay on topic of veterans as that's what this topic is about and what annoys me so bad.

First off we do have a lot of homeless vets. Why? As I said, they can't help themselves. How many programs like train a vet do we see? How many major companies advertise that they hire vets before regular civilians? How many help lines are there for vets? There is a lot to get them back in the work force, especially in the retail and construction industry.

The excuses are always the same. "I don't have a phone so they can't contact me", or "I don't have a house so I can't get a job". I know that a lot of shelters will let you use their address as your to get a job, and prepaid phones aren't that expensive, and I'm sure that there are programs to get vets phones (I know there are programs to get the disabled phones).

From the sounds of it, these vets get out of the service and don't know what to do after so they just don't look, or they look and they don't want to do X job. Why is it so difficult to apply for section 8 housing when you get out? Why is it so difficult to put in your application saying your a vet fresh out of the service in need of a job? Why is it so difficult to get $50 for a phone? Why is it so difficult to go to a truck stop and spend the $2-$5 for a shower for a job interview? At the end of the day it might be hard, but it's not impossible. These people look at it as a huge mountain to overcome and they just never start the climb.

Now sure, there are some who's significant other left them and took the house, kids, car, and half the money / belongings so it might be a little hard for them. Do you know how much money they make? They actually do make a lot of money pan handling, however they would rather spend it on cigarettes, drugs, or alcohol before they use it to further their life.

Anyway, that's my unpopular opinion and the homeless crisis is sad, however some people aren't willing to help themselves and that is most of the homeless population. I simply won't even think about donating to a homeless person if I see they smoke or if they look like a druggy or alcoholic. The joke when we're on the road is we don't donate unless they're missing a limb (boss man gave $100 to a guy missing a leg but won't donate to anyone else). It's true, if you have all your limbs and you take a shower and have decent clothes, you have the means to get a job and help yourself. If your missing a limb that might be more difficult as it limits what jobs you can get.

There's more to getting a job then just looking good man some people have substance abuse issues, mental health conditions, and all kinds of other problems. You don't know the reason as to why people don't have a job unless you sit down and talk to them. If you're homeless you have no money to just spend $2 for that shower or $5 for that meal or anything. You have to rely on good samartians to help you sometimes. Yes there are some lazy homeless people who just choose not to work but that's just the bad apple in the bunch, a lot of the times these guys have no where to turn and; not to be hateful but when people like you that have mindset to think it's their fault.. is wrong. You gotta think as if you are in their shoes. I know for a fact that anyone here if they were homeless, veteran or not you would be facing the real hardships and burdens that come with homelessness.

MrWednesday wrote

RedWood wrote I don't get it, why are so many people hating on this poor guy trying to spread awareness for something that is affecting real people?

Can you imagine how boring this website would be if everyone sang Kumbaya and held hands, and nobody challenged anybody else's points of view?
Even points of view which seem to be perfectly valid on the surface?

He's not homeless, he's not a poor guy, he's a tough ex-military man who is now a police officer.
He can handle some random people on the internet opposing his point of view.

And I'm not saying that his point of view isn't perfectly valid. It's a great thing to try to help homeless veterans, that isn't what is being questioned here.
What we are questioning is what else could be done or where the true responsibility for this kind of thing lies.
LieutenantGaz said nothing about this not being a good thing to post, he just added something extra into the conversation.

Those of us 'opposing' this topic aren't the ones who brought any hostility into it. That was all OP.

Glock- wrote Take your shit somewhere else.

MrWednesday wrote

RedWood wrote I don't get it, why are so many people hating on this poor guy trying to spread awareness for something that is affecting real people?

Can you imagine how boring this website would be if everyone sang Kumbaya and held hands, and nobody challenged anybody else's points of view?
Even points of view which seem to be perfectly valid on the surface?

He's not homeless, he's not a poor guy, he's a tough ex-military man who is now a police officer.
He can handle some random people on the internet opposing his point of view.

And I'm not saying that his point of view isn't perfectly valid. It's a great thing to try to help homeless veterans, that isn't what is being questioned here.
What we are questioning is what else could be done or where the true responsibility for this kind of thing lies.
LieutenantGaz said nothing about this not being a good thing to post, he just added something extra into the conversation.

Those of us 'opposing' this topic aren't the ones who brought any hostility into it. That was all OP.

Glock- wrote Take your shit somewhere else.

MrWednesday wrote

Glock- wrote

LieutenantGaz wrote This burden should be placed on the men that send them to fight their wars, but instead we are left to take care of their baggage. Highest GDP, lackluster social nets. 'Murica.

This is NOT the place for a political discussion.

Simply put,

Take your shit somewhere else.

Of course this is the place for a political discussion, it's a political topic. You might not think it is because donating money to homeless veterans seems so obviously great to you, but it doesn't to all people. What makes homeless veterans more important than homeless people in general? And if you don't like the idea of people not respecting the military, then what about all of the homeless ex-police officers? All of the homeless ex-doctors?
What if by donating to these specific foundations other homeless people who don't happen to be veterans are missing out? You could at least include a couple of links to charities which don't discriminate between who they try to help.

Why ignore what LieutenantGaz said when he is absolutely right. You could include in your main topic a section about writing to your local representative and appealing to them to expand social safety nets for homeless veterans and homeless people in general.
Sure it's not the same as donating money but if it gets things done in the long term then it helps all the same.

But no, he should just take his shit elsewhere because you don't like what he has to say?

ThriII wrote

MrWednesday wrote

Glock- wrote

LieutenantGaz wrote This burden should be placed on the men that send them to fight their wars, but instead we are left to take care of their baggage. Highest GDP, lackluster social nets. 'Murica.

This is NOT the place for a political discussion.

Simply put,

Take your shit somewhere else.

Of course this is the place for a political discussion, it's a political topic. You might not think it is because donating money to homeless veterans seems so obviously great to you, but it doesn't to all people. What makes homeless veterans more important than homeless people in general? And if you don't like the idea of people not respecting the military, then what about all of the homeless ex-police officers? All of the homeless ex-doctors?
What if by donating to these specific foundations other homeless people who don't happen to be veterans are missing out? You could at least include a couple of links to charities which don't discriminate between who they try to help.

Why ignore what LieutenantGaz said when he is absolutely right. You could include in your main topic a section about writing to your local representative and appealing to them to expand social safety nets for homeless veterans and homeless people in general.
Sure it's not the same as donating money but if it gets things done in the long term then it helps all the same.

But no, he should just take his shit elsewhere because you don't like what he has to say?

Vets gave up everything when they joined the service. Many have disabilities and no help from our government. The "other" homeless people I see are fine just dirty and begging everyday. Most got themselves into that position and don't want to get themselves out. Now we are talking about the ones that our government should be taking care of that served years and actually did something with their lives which put them in this place.

BJP wrote

ThriII wrote

MrWednesday wrote

Glock- wrote

LieutenantGaz wrote This burden should be placed on the men that send them to fight their wars, but instead we are left to take care of their baggage. Highest GDP, lackluster social nets. 'Murica.

This is NOT the place for a political discussion.

Simply put,

Take your shit somewhere else.

Of course this is the place for a political discussion, it's a political topic. You might not think it is because donating money to homeless veterans seems so obviously great to you, but it doesn't to all people. What makes homeless veterans more important than homeless people in general? And if you don't like the idea of people not respecting the military, then what about all of the homeless ex-police officers? All of the homeless ex-doctors?
What if by donating to these specific foundations other homeless people who don't happen to be veterans are missing out? You could at least include a couple of links to charities which don't discriminate between who they try to help.

Why ignore what LieutenantGaz said when he is absolutely right. You could include in your main topic a section about writing to your local representative and appealing to them to expand social safety nets for homeless veterans and homeless people in general.
Sure it's not the same as donating money but if it gets things done in the long term then it helps all the same.

But no, he should just take his shit elsewhere because you don't like what he has to say?

Vets gave up everything when they joined the service. Many have disabilities and no help from our government. The "other" homeless people I see are fine just dirty and begging everyday. Most got themselves into that position and don't want to get themselves out. Now we are talking about the ones that our government should be taking care of that served years and actually did something with their lives which put them in this place.

- They gave up everything
They joined a job which gives you so many opportunities compared to any other career. You get food, housing, job security, pension and more.

-The "other" homeless people I see are fine just dirty and begging everyday
So from your 2 second glance you can confirm they are fine, aye thanks doctor. Epilepsy, CPS, CRMO, PTSD, DID just to list a few conditions which alone can be debilitating yet wont be see able from a quick glance walking past them.

- actually did something with their lives
Yet again you dont know whether the people you class as "Other" are former doctors, aid workers, firemen or biochemists.

BJP