What you may actually find at the moment within the united kingdom is that pre builts are better to buy. This is purely due to a online based system called cryptocurrency. you may have heard about bitcoin ect.

This has greatly drove the prices of good graphics cards ( the main thing that makes a gaming pc play games up in value/ beside rgb of course) example: gtx 1060 3 months ago was about £250, now they sell second hand for £400+ which is a joke imo.

The second reason is the ram shortage, long story short ram is hard to get due to the supply not meeting the demand, so ram has gone up about £35 per 8gb. i bought my memory 8gb for £67, now it sells for just under £100.

imo building a system is not ideal for your money just yet. wait until the nvidia 20xx cards come out or buy a prebuilt.

Ideal specs you will want:

Cpu : quad core , intel i5 or i7

or a ryzen 5 cpu, ryzen 7 maybe overkill for you

Gpu: gtx 1060 or higher (this is for future proofing your system and will easily play pubg ect)

16gb ram, 8gb will be fine and you can upgrade at a later date.

SSD and a SSHD/HDD, it needs two storage drives, one for your programs (ssd) and one for your games and adult movies (example, 128gb ssd 1tb hdd)

feel free to message me, i can link you to few good ones online (pre built) like the region y520 or G11CD.

Personally, i would get the Y520, up the ram at a later date and leaves you a bit to pop to scan to buy a water cooling AIO unit. which would typically work out cheaper to building one at the moment.

FKX wrote example: gtx 1060 3 months ago was about £250, now they sell second hand for £400+ which is a joke imo.

That's not true. Here's a brand new 6GB GTX 1060 for £315;
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You can buy a used 980Ti for less than £300-320, which will shit all over a 6GB 1060, so anyone trying to sell a used 6GB 1060 for £400+, is wasting their time.

Used market prices;
3GB GTX 1060 = 180-200
6GB GTX 1060 = 240-260
GTX 970 = £160-175
GTX 980 = £190-210

FKX wrote The second reason is the ram shortage, long story short ram is hard to get due to the supply not meeting the demand, so ram has gone up about £35 per 8gb. i bought my memory 8gb for £67, now it sells for just under £100.

That doesn't make a pre-built system a more appealing option. For £1000, regardless of RAM pricing, building a system is still a far better option than buying a pre-built.

FXK wrote Ideal specs you will want:

Cpu : quad core , intel i5 or i7

It makes no sense to buy a quad core i5 or i7, especially with this budget. You'd have to buy in to an older socket to go with a quad core, instead of just investing in LGA 1151-V2 and getting a 6 core CPU. Either go Coffee Lake or Ryzen, not Skylake/Kaby Lake.

FXK wrote SSD and a SSHD/HDD, it needs two storage drives

You don't "need two storage drives"?

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OP -
Will you overclock?
Do you need a monitor?
If not, what monitor(s) are you using with this system?
Do you need a keyboard and/or mouse, or any other peripherals?
What exactly will you use the system for, other than games, if anything?
Any preferences(storage, aesthetic, etc)?

If i may, how many gaming computers sell with a single drive? you have two or more drives, you can ask any professional builder unless you go NVME but that will take up over a quarter of your budget for a decent size drive and decent brand.

I also noticed you even advised someone else to drop a 500gb ssd to a ssd and hdd, something else to think about.

I would also like to point out i did actually mention ryzen and with the 6 and 7th gen chips and m/boards they are easier to get hold of due to those with a larger budget upgrading to v2 and selling hardly used bundles online, and regarding the GPU, it was just under £400 not to long ago, with bitcoin dropping slowly, the craze is slowly dying reducing the value as we can now see.

Granted, building a system will always be a better option, however Baiyy stated they have £1000 to spend which really will not get what it could of 3 months ago which would of been very recent released hardware. in a month to 3 months, prices should be back to allow for a better build to what you will get today for your money.

Yes they can take on the fun challenge of building a system but at this very moment in time it is ideal to go prebuilt as you get new gen hardware and typically cheaper to if you were to build yourself. Any other time without the ram shortage and bitcoin craze i would say prebuilt hands down.

The region y520 is a good liable option to look into and leaves you with money left over to do a couple tweaks or invest in a decent monitor/keyboard and mouse, but with a budget of £1000 it would be a struggle.

FKX wrote If i may, how many gaming computers sell with a single drive? you have two or more drives

The amount of "gaming" pre-builts that sell with more than one storage device is completely irrelevant. That doesn't make it a necessity.

FXK wrote you can ask any professional builder unless you go NVME but that will take up over a quarter of your budget for a decent size drive and decent brand

This doesn't make any sense. Why would an NVMe SSD change the situation for you? An NVMe SSD absolutely wouldn't take up a quarter of your budget, unless you had a £400 budget. Regardless, I thought we were talking about "gaming PCs"?

FXK wrote I also noticed you even advised someone else to drop a 500gb ssd to a ssd and hdd, something else to think about.

I think you'll find I absolutely did not do that. I recommended a 500GB SSD, but told the user if he really wanted to, he could swap it for a 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD. Regardless, I never said no one should have an SSD and an HDD, I said that two drives isn't a necessity like you claimed. When you tell someone they NEED 2 storage drives, they might think that their system would refuse to boot unless they had an SSD and an HDD, which is obviously not the case. I understood what you meant, other people might not, hence why I was correcting you.

FXK wrote I would also like to point out i did actually mention ryzen and with the 6 and 7th gen chips and m/boards they are easier to get hold of due to those with a larger budget upgrading to v2 and selling hardly used bundles online

I know you mentioned Ryzen. Again though, like I said, Skylake/Kaby Lake do not make any sense to buy new. You're shooting yourself in the foot buying in to a dead socket, and the lack of cores/threads is pathetic.

FXK wrote and regarding the GPU, it was just under £400 not to long ago, with bitcoin dropping slowly, the craze is slowly dying reducing the value as we can now see.

No, it wasn't. GTX 1060s have never been close £400. FYI, ~£350 is not "just under £400".

FXK wrote Granted, building a system will always be a better option, however Baiyy stated they have £1000 to spend which really will not get what it could of 3 months ago which would of been very recent released hardware.

£1000 right now will get you almost exactly the same system you would have got in January, considering that's when GPU prices did rise to where they are today, and RAM pricing has been bad since end of 2016/start of 2017. Regardless, even if you could get less for your money now with a custom system, that doesn't then make pre-builts worth it. You still get EVEN LESS with a pre-built.

FXK wrote in a month to 3 months, prices should be back to allow for a better build to what you will get today for your money.

Where is your source for this information? I know you don't have one, because you just made this up. RAM pricing won't be 'fixed' until at least 2019.

FXK wrote Yes they can take on the fun challenge of building a system but at this very moment in time it is ideal to go prebuilt

No, it is not.

FXK wrote as you get new gen hardware

Right, because you have to buy old generation hardware if you build a system yourself? What about all the pre-builts that have low-end, last generation i5's?

FXK wrote The region y520 is a good liable option to look into and leaves you with money left over to do a couple tweaks or invest in a decent monitor/keyboard and mouse, but with a budget of £1000 it would be a struggle.

>laptop with 1050Ti
>"good buy for £1000"
That's a top meme.

The region y520 , the desktop version which we are on about here sells on pc world at a fair price and houses a gtx 1060 all for under £900 leaving a okay amount for a keyboard and mouse or monitor.

Regarding prices, this was more aimed at the graphics cards, if you want a source, google recently stopped mining advertising which caused bitcoin and the others to drop a bit and hopefully will keep doing so. Ram is another issue altogether were we both can agree.

However i have seen gtx 1060s go for 400+ second hand when suppliers were selling out due to the mining craze , this leading to store implementing a one card per person policy unless you can prove it is for gaming intentions. This was a while ago mind.

Second hand markets when looking at parts for the cpu, and motherboard are very good atm in some places allowing for you to get a i7 6700-7700k with a respected board z170/270 for about £300-400 allowing for more to spend on the gpu.

The idea behind two drives is so the single drive does not have to look at system (os files) as well as game files for textures, this is a slight but notifiable difference just to clear it up, i understand and respect you get this and you wished to correct me, but explain why (il take this into account too)

New parts will cost more, reducing cost to spend on a gpu and for gaming, core/thread wise really does not make a difference as ryzen is still new and developers are still utilizing the typical four cores. Great 6 and more would be amazing and there is no problem at all with going ryzen but unless you massively multitask i cant see much of a difference and take it from me as i have a Intel and even a ryzen system, ryzen eats Intel for rendering.

In the end you get two opinions, this allows for more options to consider

FKX wrote The region y520 , the desktop version which we are on about here sells on pc world at a fair price and houses a gtx 1060 all for under £900 leaving a okay amount for a keyboard and mouse or monitor.

Okay, so first of all, it's Legion Y520, not region. Second of all, maybe be a bit more specific when you're referring to a product line that has literally more than 3 products with the exact same name, hm?

FXK wrote Regarding prices, this was more aimed at the graphics cards, if you want a source, google recently stopped mining advertising which caused bitcoin and the others to drop a bit and hopefully will keep doing so. Ram is another issue altogether were we both can agree.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

FXK wrote However i have seen gtx 1060s go for 400+ second hand when suppliers were selling out due to the mining craze

First of all, GTX 1060s have not been out of stock in the UK. You can check price history online, it's not hard, and you can see that 6GB GTX 1060s have remained in stock for months, under £350 from actual reputable vendors. So, just because you seen some idiot try to sell a used 1060 for £400, does not make the 1060 a £400 card. It absolutely is not.

FXK wrote Second hand markets when looking at parts for the cpu, and motherboard are very good atm in some places allowing for you to get a i7 6700-7700k with a respected board z170/270 for about £300-400 allowing for more to spend on the gpu.

Or you could spend less than £300 for an R5 1600+mobo or i5-8400+mobo, either of which offer better upgrade routes than a 6700k/7700k, and both of which are better choices.

FXK wrote The idea behind two drives is so the single drive does not have to look at system (os files) as well as game files for textures, this is a slight but notifiable difference just to clear it up, i understand and respect you get this and you wished to correct me, but explain why (il take this into account too)

Uh, no. Are you trying to say a game will be noticeably slower if your OS is on the same storage? That's wrong. The reason lots of people have two drives, is because they'll have an SSD for their OS and favourite games/apps, then an HDD for mass storage. That doesn't make two drives a necessity, and storage is one of the easiest things to add/upgrade later.

FXK wrote New parts will cost more, reducing cost to spend on a gpu and for gaming

Nope. Not true at all.

FXK wrote core/thread wise really does not make a difference as ryzen is still new and developers are still utilizing the typical four cores.

This also is not true. It's the exact reason a 6 core i5 performs much better than a quad core i5 from last gen. It's also why even last generation i7's, 4C/8T CPU's performed better in plenty of games than a 4C/4T i5, because those 4 extra threads were being utilised.

This would be a very solid build, all that really need upgrading would be getting another stick of 8gb ram and you'd be set!

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CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£143.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£29.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix Z370-H Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£107.58 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£78.09 @ YoYoTech)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£81.54 @ Novatech)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£479.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£60.72 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1077.88