Do NOT generalize the entirety of electronic music with Skrillex, or most mainstream artists like Deadmau5. They're not regarded highly (AT ALL) by the community of people who actually know and love electronic music.

rap is music and is one of the most moving types of music. it's made with your mind not some man made instrument.

I have played electric guitar for like 8 years and I totally agree with you. I listen to Opeth, which is a mix of Metal and classical. badass

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r00t_b33r wrote Yeah, because computers are definitely not real instruments. Totally.

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I'm not knocking guitar or anything else, but there's no need to be ignorant.

An instrument is something that you can go on stage and make beautiful and melodic sounds using your own two hands, nothing else helping you. You can do that with a guitar, bass, drums, and hell, even a trash can. The songs your posting just prove my point even further, that this pop BS is ruining the beauty of music. Without the help of lets say, a Mac, or any other computer program, those songs would not exist, rendering the artist who made them obsolete, but see, he NEEDS the computer to make his sounds. The people you posted arent musicians. They're not artists. They're just another link in the chain of computerized crap that eventually will die out. Long live good music. Rock and Roll and Metal will never die.

Now... on topic.

I play guitar. Been playing for some time. I like playing stuff by my favorite bands, which are Chevelle and my all time favorite: Slipknot . I also play some songs by Killswitch Engage, BFMV, Trivium, System of a Down, and Asking Alexandria. Rock on man. hh)

Im also starting to compose my own music as well. Im trying to hint at the lyrical style of Tool, while remaining true to heavy rifts like Chevelle and System of a Down. Im also taking notes on some of the more classical compositions in the minor key like Bach. What are you up to?

I like a few of the bands you listed there, but wholeheartedly disagree with your views on electronic music. What you're calling pop BS is entirely separate from the mainstream. Aphex Twin is widely regarded in the electronic music community as THE best electronic musician to date. His work is beautiful, experimental, and extremely varied. Read about him a little and you'll find he's more than another bedroom DJ, and much of his work I listen to was created before I was born. As I always say, music is timeless. From when he was 11, he was fascinated by the sounds technology could create. He loves music, plain and simple.

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Fun fact: This is Skrillex's favorite song. One of mine, too. Not a fan of Skrillex, but I admire him all the same.

Another one of my favorite Aphex Twin tracks is Avril 14th. The man has an incredible mind, as evidenced by the variance in his style from song to song even within the same album. This is the next song in the album. Wonderfully chaotic.

A little background on me. I listen to rock (a broad term), metal (which includes, but is not limited to, death, thrash, math, progressive, and metalcore), classical, drum & bass, limited dubstep, various house sub-genres (like electro, dutch, etc.), post-rock, trance, classic rock, and numerous general electronic sub-genres. I'm trying to get into jazz.

This Aphex person. I do not like him at all, because Im a metal fan. I can give credit where credit is due, and he definitely deserves every bit of fame he gets. The first song you posted, i actually didnt want to hang myself. It wasnt repetitive beats set to a 15 second loop, it actually sounded quite beautiful. When i talk about Pop, Im talking about people like Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Drake, Skrillex, people like that. Trust me, Im all for for any hard working person trying to make a living doing what they love. But when that person turns to computer generated trash, and it loses its beauty, thats when things get aggravating. Its frustrating seeing many hard working guitarists and musicians on YouTube trying to get their skills out to the world, but is overshadowed by auto-tuned WUBWUBWOMP, no emotion trash.

Kept wrote rap is music and is one of the most moving types of music. it's made with your mind not some man made instrument.

Some rap is okay. Eminem, Kid Cudi, that stuff is good. Lil Wayne and Nicki Minaj with their auto-tuned crap, are a disgrace. And you wouldnt have any rap or really any type of music besides congo drums without "man-made" instruments.

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Kept wrote rap is music and is one of the most moving types of music. it's made with your mind not some man made instrument.

Some rap is okay. Eminem, Kid Cudi, that stuff is good. Lil Wayne and Nicki Minaj with their auto-tuned crap, are a disgrace. And you wouldnt have any rap or really any type of music besides congo drums without "man-made" instruments.

Fans of a certain genre always tend to judge another genre by its worst music. After exploring so many, I think I'm past that. You do need some guidance from people familiar with the genre to direct you toward the right stuff, though.

4chan's /mu/ board has done an excellent job with this, and it's helped me quite a bit. They basically help determine what you like without telling you what you SHOULD like.

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No, actually i didnt. By playing, I mean ACTUALLY PLAYING SOMETHING. Not opening up a file on your computer and playing a bunch of pre-recorded sounds. Mac isnt an instrument. Its a computer. If you can go onstage, with no electricity, nothing helping you out, and play something, your playing an instrument. Deadmau5 and Skrillex require something constantly holding their hand. And this is crap. You call this playing live?

He presses "play" on his computer, presses a button or two, and jumps around. Thats not playing, thats jumping around like a moron. If when he takes his hands off that computer, if the music instantly stopped, THEN he would actually be playing. He obviously isnt, and if you think otherwise, you need to open your eyes. And call me jaded, whatever you want. Ill never give your music respect. Its a disgrace. Theres a reason why there is CLASSIC Rock, CLASSICAL music, because its an art that can never be replicated and takes enormous amount of skill to play, ranging from Mozart and Bach to modern day songs by actual musicians. You little kiddies will never understand the beauty of what music used to be, and now its fading out because musicians just want to take the easy, pre-recorded approach.

There you go again. I didnt actually say that I like skrillex or deadmau5 which I do but I mostly listen to rap like Hoodie Allen, Mac Miller, Kid Cudi etc.. or stuff like the Gorillaz. But you can't just say it's shit music. Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically make it sh*t and mean that everyone should hate it. Everyone has different taste in music! You're being very arrogant, if I said to you that whatever music you liked was sh*t, you would argue that it was around before DnB and Dubstep etc.. but that's not a valid argument whatsoever, nor is calling me a "kiddie", you also said that "If you can go onstage, with no electricity, nothing helping you out, and play something, your playing an instrument." but when bands and musicians go onstage they have a lot of electronic equipment.. like Amp's, and stuff! I amn't disrespecting you or your music. You just have to unerstand that people have different taste's in music.. you can't just say it's sh*t and leave it at that!

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No, actually i didnt. By playing, I mean ACTUALLY PLAYING SOMETHING. Not opening up a file on your computer and playing a bunch of pre-recorded sounds. Mac isnt an instrument. Its a computer. If you can go onstage, with no electricity, nothing helping you out, and play something, your playing an instrument. Deadmau5 and Skrillex require something constantly holding their hand. And this is crap. You call this playing live?

He presses "play" on his computer, presses a button or two, and jumps around. Thats not playing, thats jumping around like a moron. If when he takes his hands off that computer, if the music instantly stopped, THEN he would actually be playing. He obviously isnt, and if you think otherwise, you need to open your eyes. And call me jaded, whatever you want. Ill never give your music respect. Its a disgrace. Theres a reason why there is CLASSIC Rock, CLASSICAL music, because its an art that can never be replicated and takes enormous amount of skill to play, ranging from Mozart and Bach to modern day songs by actual musicians. You little kiddies will never understand the beauty of what music used to be, and now its fading out because musicians just want to take the easy, pre-recorded approach.

There you go again. I didnt actually say that I like skrillex or deadmau5 which I do but I mostly listen to rap like Hoodie Allen, Mac Miller, Kid Cudi etc.. or stuff like the Gorillaz. But you can't just say it's **** music. Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically make it sh*t and mean that everyone should hate it. Everyone has different taste in music! You're being very arrogant, if I said to you that whatever music you liked was sh*t, you would argue that it was around before DnB and Dubstep etc.. but that's not a valid argument whatsoever, nor is calling me a "kiddie", you also said that "If you can go onstage, with no electricity, nothing helping you out, and play something, your playing an instrument." but when bands and musicians go onstage they have a lot of electronic equipment.. like Amp's, and stuff! I amn't disrespecting you or your music. You just have to unerstand that people have different taste's in music.. you can't just say it's sh*t and leave it at that!

agreed people seem to have a problem with some music simply because its different or because it doesnt measure up to their arbitrary standards :arrow:

Lets just say that you can search on youtube for it.

I play guitar, my favorite guitarist is John Frusciante ( old Red Hot Chili Peppers guitarist ) he is my idol, he puts his heart and soul into guitar and makes beautiful songs. All his guitar songs are very emotional and to me tells more of a story than anyone can just by talking. Music is the best communicator.



I can't describe the feeling I get when I listen him.