Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

-Deano wrote

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Theology wrote

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

You're also saying that with everything being pre-determined, it has been done by something. God.

If forward time travel does occur then it would prove the existence of a God?

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

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Theology wrote

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

You're also saying that with everything being pre-determined, it has been done by something. God.

If forward time travel does occur then it would prove the existence of a God?

Not necessarily. Just because things are pre-determined, doesn't mean there has to be some 'being' to have decided this. I don't want to say it but "fate"... everything that is pre-determined can be down to something like this. It's like the gears grinding in the universe machine... It just goes like that, doesn't mean something has to control it

-Deano wrote

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

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Theology wrote

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

You're also saying that with everything being pre-determined, it has been done by something. God.

If forward time travel does occur then it would prove the existence of a God?

Not necessarily. Just because things are pre-determined, doesn't mean there has to be some 'being' to have decided this. I don't want to say it but "fate"... everything that is pre-determined can be down to something like this. It's like the gears grinding in the universe machine... It just goes like that, doesn't mean something has to control it

This is a tough one to think about because when you say it like that you sound like a Panvitalist.

I don't believe the Universe is alive [I know that's not what you mean but it's pretty much what you're saying] and I don't believe that all time is Pre-determined.

When you say that 'fate' exists it reminds me of when people say that Evolution is a conscious process, which is nonsense.

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

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Theology wrote

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

You're also saying that with everything being pre-determined, it has been done by something. God.

If forward time travel does occur then it would prove the existence of a God?

Not necessarily. Just because things are pre-determined, doesn't mean there has to be some 'being' to have decided this. I don't want to say it but "fate"... everything that is pre-determined can be down to something like this. It's like the gears grinding in the universe machine... It just goes like that, doesn't mean something has to control it

This is a tough one to think about because when you say it like that you sound like a Panvitalist.

I don't believe the Universe is alive [I know that's not what you mean but it's pretty much what you're saying] and I don't believe that all time is Pre-determined.

When you say that 'fate' exists it reminds me of when people say that Evolution is a conscious process, which is nonsense.

Just to say it, well maybe evolution is a process determined by whatever. maybe whatever things die out due to evolution, things that adapt due to it.. It's meant to happen because of the already determined future.

Maybe time is like this:

There are timelines for each decision, so there are infinite timelines for all eventualities so you could travel forward in time but would be on one of those timelines.

-Deano wrote

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

Theology wrote

-Deano wrote

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Theology wrote

-Deano wrote Not unless you think of it as a timeline. Everything that will ever happen has already happened.

So:

year 0 -------------------------------year 100000000
We're here^

Now if that is how it works, and we are merely travelling along this line, the change in the future has happened but we have not reached that part in time yet.

either way I don't think it is possible but I'm just putting this point out

If you subscribe to that point of view you re saying that everything is pre-determined which means that free will doesn't exist.

For all we know, it doesn't.. Maybe what we see as free will, has already been determined, but we do not see it as a certain thing. We believe it's up to us. Maybe it really isn't.

You're also saying that with everything being pre-determined, it has been done by something. God.

If forward time travel does occur then it would prove the existence of a God?

Not necessarily. Just because things are pre-determined, doesn't mean there has to be some 'being' to have decided this. I don't want to say it but "fate"... everything that is pre-determined can be down to something like this. It's like the gears grinding in the universe machine... It just goes like that, doesn't mean something has to control it

This is a tough one to think about because when you say it like that you sound like a Panvitalist.

I don't believe the Universe is alive [I know that's not what you mean but it's pretty much what you're saying] and I don't believe that all time is Pre-determined.

When you say that 'fate' exists it reminds me of when people say that Evolution is a conscious process, which is nonsense.

Just to say it, well maybe evolution is a process determined by whatever. maybe whatever things die out due to evolution, things that adapt due to it.. It's meant to happen because of the already determined future.

I didn't mean to flip the conversation onto Evolution but we've come back to this: How can time be pre-determined without a conscious designer? The Universe, Fate or God?

To me, it seems illogical to believe that everything has been pre-determined. Simply because something had a defined beginning doesn't mean that everything thereafter has been determined already. To believe this is to give up a belief in genuine free will and enforce a belief in a deity or a conscious universal process.

I'm not trying to bash your thoughts, i'm just stating why I think it is illogical to believe in pre-determined time and therefore, forward time travel.