Jovetic wrote -Actually, since you focused on Steam or Origin, not all games require either. Most Blizzard games have their own framework not requiring a third party software. However, some games require you to install C++ frameworks, DirectX, download Steam to install, etc.

Nearly every game from Steam will install everything for you. I guarantee the average PC user, not even gamer, has all of those without even playing PC Games. In-fact Horizon, the modding tool, requires .NET framework to be installed. Something many, many TTG users have.

Regardless, it's the point of being able to use it without having to install anything else. I code using the .NET framework, and have yet to explain to one person how to use my application, because it's so common. But however, like I said, it's the point of maintenance that comes across, and the potential of needing to install something third party.

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-System updates are substantially shorter. I posted that below as well. They also are not required to play newer games, which on PC may happen if you have the wrong Service Pack.

I can't even remember a time when I needed to upgrade or downgrade a service pack to play a game. It was probably Vista or XP. I'd honestly say it's obsolete now.

Actually, when I first re-installed Windows 7, I was required to upgrade to at least SP1 to play a game. So no, it's not obsolete. It happens.

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-Shelling out money
Well if you actually take care of your product, no.
Microsoft covered all hardware faults from the original release until 2010. It was replaced for free. If you took care of your console, it could last the whole time. Which it did for me. I still have my original one (which I actually gave away), but it works still to this day.

That doesn't include RROD, Hard-drive errors, etc. I myself have had 3 xbox's. One banned, one where the laser doesn't read the game and one that's still working. The thing is, you can't just go out and buy a $20 hard-drive and replace it like you could a PC. Instead, you have to buy a new xbox which at the time cost me $200 for a 4GB Xbox.

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Really? Well I have not once been banned, or had any of those problems. Just because you do, doesn't mean you can generalize it. Just like, I'm not pointing out dedicated RAM issues (something I have), blue screen crashes, viruses, etc. You can easily screw a computer up. Once again, my original Pro works to this day. I bought the 320 gb hard drive for 100$, when at the time a same sized HD for the computer was about the same. So, regardless, those expenses are similar and the space is more the enough for a console.

-The 200$ average was based on forums dedicated to PC gaming. I spent 30 minutes looking through them, the majority of them focused mainly on upgrades and a complete overhaul on average in 4-6 years. I took the lowball answer. Many people spent as much as 400$ in a year. Either way, if you look at upgrading every two years, that's about 200$ in parts (on average), this doesn't include re-selling your part and not just upgrading your GPU. It's still more expensive then a console if you take care of them. I have my original Controller still.

You don't need to upgrade though, you're missing that. Some of those people are buying expensive **** GPUs to get more performance out of their games because they want to. Not because they need to. That's like saying, "well this one guy went out and had his console modded so I guess everyone needs a console mod."

Eventually you do. I can play those games on my console without upgrading and at the "highest setting" available. (There is only one) However, for PC you COULD go without upgrading and play on ever decreasing settings. But, I'm comparing it to optimal performance. You are comparing on a budget.

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-The games aren't even taken into account into the discussion because in reality, I don't need to buy new games or even purchase online services. That's a point that is specific to the user.

It's point specific to the user to spend more money on their PC.

But for example. Starcraft will have 3 expansions.
20$ for each is 60$. About the cost of a full game.

You mean the same as Call of Duty? Except Call of Duty has more microtransactions and over priced DLC.

Mainly games are 40$ for PC specific "larger" games. Multi-platform games are still 60$.

Not too much to say about that, I don't know where you're going with that.

A lot of pc games involve spending real money in game. Sims players have spent THOUSANDS.

That's a very, very specific user base. I guess it would be the same as people spending thousands on Happy Wars, FIFA Ultimate Team, Madden Ultimate Team, GTA V "shark cards", etc.

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WoW and other MMO's require a monthly fee usually

Elder Scrolls Online...

and they have premium items that unbalance the game and pretty much require every one else to purchase those items for it to be balanced.

Spartacus Legends...
The point I had through all of this was, that games are about similar prices regardless. Yes, over time sales occur. Yes prices do change, but upon release they are all pretty similar.

If anything you helped me prove that the game situation is pretty similar cross platforms. The difference I was trying to point out however, is that a lot of PC specific games are centered around paying for a service while also paying for in game items or the game itself.

ESO is the only example of this on consoles I can even think of.

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It honestly seems like your over-looking my other posts. I'm arguing that they are both catered to specific groups. I'm not against any one platform, nor do I believe that one is solely better then the other. As a very technology oriented person, I'm at home using a computer and I always seem to use my computer more then a console.

However, people seem to argue that one platform is better then another. I'm pointing out that each platform has an advantage.

I mean lets face it. I could go buy a PC to play all games on Ultra, right now. I'm not guaranteed that it'll play the newest games coming out relatively soon. In fact, some GPU's have issues with certain software or games. If it does, it may get the point in a few years where I can only play the games on low with a higher FPS.

With consoles, you're guaranteed that it'll play the latest greatest game, efficiently and at the highest available setting, until the end of the console generation.

In all seriousness, if I had an extra 10k laying around, I would build the ultimate computer and buy both consoles.

Also,
About the games, you can't always buy a pre-owned or sell your pc game. Usually they include CD-Keys, which you can't verify if they are banned.

One example of same price

Slyestcat wrote OP can't inb4.

I'd love to have a discussion over this, but you've left out any sources of where you're pulling these facts. I'm pretty sure anyone can just claim that PC gamers spend 200$ on average each year. As well as the fact that the consoles are just completely ready to go straight out of the box. Post sources or don't post.

I already did.

Because it's against the forum rules to "advertise" and I lost the websites. I can direct you in the right path though.

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Slyestcat wrote OP can't inb4.

I'd love to have a discussion over this, but you've left out any sources of where you're pulling these facts. I'm pretty sure anyone can just claim that PC gamers spend 200$ on average each year. As well as the fact that the consoles are just completely ready to go straight out of the box. Post sources or don't post.

I already did.

Because it's against the forum rules to "advertise" and I lost the websites. I can direct you in the right path though.

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^There's one

That is not even a good statistical break down of average spent on parts per year. It shows maybe 50 people, all PC enthusiasts, saying they spend a lot of money on upgrades. That's <0.1% of the PC gamers, not even noting the fact that the users in that thread aren't just PC gamers, they're enthusiasts. Also posting links to sites that provide statistical data and analysis would not be considering advertising, it would be citing sources, which you have none of.

P.S OP can't inb4

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Are you **** kidding me? Of course that will be the same price, Activision is greedy as shit and the game hasn't even come out yet. You are a fedora wearing, Mountain Dew loving, Doritos stuffing peasant. None of your points are valid in the slightest, you don't have any sources, no wonder people chastise you on PC gaming communities.

Being frustrated with "elitist" PC gamers is like getting frustrated when [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] this pulls up beside your Corolla at a red light. You can be annoyed when he leans out the window and makes fun of your hubcaps.

Things everybody can agree on:

PC:

More games
Cheaper games
More flexibility for how games are played
No subscription required for online play
Infinite hardware customization
Actually useful for things other than games and some media
More peripheral options

Console:

Your friends probably have it
Very accessible
Easy to set up
Fewer things to go wrong

I find that PC gamers don't like other PC gamers who look down their noses at console gamers and when you hear someone going on about the "PC master race," it's a joke. Not a funny or original one, but still a joke.

There's nothing to be mad about because everyone has the same options. Some people have fun and take pride in their PCs because you can put a lot of work into them and make it personal. You can also just buy them pre-built and use them like consoles. They can be less or much more expensive than consoles. This rant comes up a lot and it seems like people always think they need to prove PCs are better than consoles or vice-versa.

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Are you **** kidding me? Of course that will be the same price, Activision is greedy as **** and the game hasn't even come out yet. You are a fedora wearing, Mountain Dew loving, Doritos stuffing peasant. None of your points are valid in the slightest, you don't have any sources, no wonder people chastise you on PC gaming communities.

lol

r00t wrote Being frustrated with "elitist" PC gamers is like getting frustrated when [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] this pulls up beside your Corolla at a red light. You can be annoyed when he leans out the window and makes fun of your hubcaps.

Things everybody can agree on:

PC:

More games
Cheaper games
More flexibility for how games are played
No subscription required for online play
Infinite hardware customization
Actually useful for things other than games and some media
More peripheral options

Console:

Your friends probably have it
Very accessible
Easy to set up
Fewer things to go wrong

I find that PC gamers don't like other PC gamers who look down their noses at console gamers and when you hear someone going on about the "PC master race," it's a joke. Not a funny or original one, but still a joke.

There's nothing to be mad about because everyone has the same options. Some people have fun and take pride in their PCs because you can put a lot of work into them and make it personal. You can also just buy them pre-built and use them like consoles. They can be less or much more expensive than consoles. This rant comes up a lot and it seems like people always think they need to prove PCs are better than consoles or vice-versa.

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Are you **** kidding me? Of course that will be the same price, Activision is greedy as **** and the game hasn't even come out yet. You are a fedora wearing, Mountain Dew loving, Doritos stuffing peasant. None of your points are valid in the slightest, you don't have any sources, no wonder people chastise you on PC gaming communities.

lol

I agree with you on every point. All I've been doing is trying to get across the point that each platform has a positive and it's catered to a specific group. I know the master race thing is a joke, I'm not offended. But the reality is there is hate between each platform which I never understood.

Personally I would play PC for the games and more diverse community, as well as Bethesda mods, and console for friends and exclusives.

As far as Activision being greedy f*cks, I agree. But most new multi platform games are the same price.

As for legitimate sources, there were almost no studies done on this, I looked. I found a few different forums and read the replies. It was an example.

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Are PC games on average cheaper? Probably, yeah. But consoles have fantastic deals as well, and the only people who pay $60 for games are those that don't know how to use Ebay, and those that don't know how to research to find the best deal.