Monster-Munch wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote if there was a way to do that don't you think people would have figured it out in the 8+ years Xbox has been out....

Honestly, no. Its like a lock. It seems complex from the outside, but inside its just stick that push other sticks to make it turn. Just like a lock, why look into it if it works?

I dont know, I may be over thinking it. But I feel theres gotta be a way that is easier said than done, but possible

The only thing you'd accomplish is changing that KV from one xbox's KV to another, thus making it not banned. There's no real way to make a KV or unban one.

Not necessarily. If a KV works by telling Live a serial number, just changing that number would make it a whole different console.

But yes, I see where youre coming from. If there is two lists of serials on LIVEs server 'Banned' and 'Unbanned', youd need to change that number to one under the 'unbanned' list. But if it work buy having a list of only banned, you could get away with having a random numbered serial and technically get on just fine

Okay let's say it did work you would also be banning someone's Xbox what is not fair in my opinion, i'm sure you would not like that, also when you connect to the server they would see the same xbox serial number for 2 consoles at the same time with 2 different ip's so the console would get flagged quick.

I 100% agree. It wouldnt be fair at all. But what I am saying is that since none of us actually knows how it works, maybe its only one sided. Where ONLY banned serials cant connect and if it appears this randomly serial number is trying to connect, and isnt in the banned list, it would, it theory, connect to LIVE.

It just seems none realistic that Microsoft would have each and every single serial stored. That would be millions upon millions to store and keep track of. Thats why I thinking only the banned ones get thrown into a bin, where all the other randomly generated serials can connect just fine..

Its just my thinking. Any serial would connect wether its generated by them or not and the theory above would work, but who knows.

I am off to a wake/funeral, so I will look into this more later on tonight.

Also, please dont have on any body that posts in this thread. It was just a simple thought that I would ask all you guys. So go ahead and discuss, but dont be hating and calling people out. I want this thread to be active and not be shutdown by admins for it getting too out of hand

I have an idea as to how this could be achieved, don't really know anything about server sided stuff haha, but theoretically, would it be possible for someone to create a server, or a group of servers, and possibly be able to decode the banned KVs and change the verification links to those of that person's server?

igsk00 wrote I have an idea as to how this could be achieved, don't really know anything about server sided stuff haha, but theoretically, would it be possible for someone to create a server, or a group of servers, and possibly be able to decode the banned KVs and change the verification links to those of that person's server?

No. The KV is checked through MS servers. Checking it through other servers wouldn't do anything. I don't thing we could "Make" KVs. There is 4 lines of unique code for each KV. The rest of it is jsut checking if the KV is banned and connecting to the server plus verification. If you could get the challenge responses from the server, then you could in fact make a "KV" that is unbannable. It wouldn't be a KV it'd be a program or plug in that acts like a KV

Jeez wrote

Monster-Munch wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote if there was a way to do that don't you think people would have figured it out in the 8+ years Xbox has been out....

Honestly, no. Its like a lock. It seems complex from the outside, but inside its just stick that push other sticks to make it turn. Just like a lock, why look into it if it works?

I dont know, I may be over thinking it. But I feel theres gotta be a way that is easier said than done, but possible

The only thing you'd accomplish is changing that KV from one xbox's KV to another, thus making it not banned. There's no real way to make a KV or unban one.

Not necessarily. If a KV works by telling Live a serial number, just changing that number would make it a whole different console.

But yes, I see where youre coming from. If there is two lists of serials on LIVEs server 'Banned' and 'Unbanned', youd need to change that number to one under the 'unbanned' list. But if it work buy having a list of only banned, you could get away with having a random numbered serial and technically get on just fine

Okay let's say it did work you would also be banning someone's Xbox what is not fair in my opinion, i'm sure you would not like that, also when you connect to the server they would see the same xbox serial number for 2 consoles at the same time with 2 different ip's so the console would get flagged quick.

I 100% agree. It wouldnt be fair at all. But what I am saying is that since none of us actually knows how it works, maybe its only one sided. Where ONLY banned serials cant connect and if it appears this randomly serial number is trying to connect, and isnt in the banned list, it would, it theory, connect to LIVE.

It just seems none realistic that Microsoft would have each and every single serial stored. That would be millions upon millions to store and keep track of. Thats why I thinking only the banned ones get thrown into a bin, where all the other randomly generated serials can connect just fine..

Its just my thinking. Any serial would connect wether its generated by them or not and the theory above would work, but who knows.

I am off to a wake/funeral, so I will look into this more later on tonight.

Also, please dont have on any body that posts in this thread. It was just a simple thought that I would ask all you guys. So go ahead and discuss, but dont be hating and calling people out. I want this thread to be active and not be shutdown by admins for it getting too out of hand

I see where you're coming from, it would be difficult to keep track of all those serials. However, Microsoft is a multi-million (Billion) dollar company, they don't have people manually put Xboxs together, so I can't imagine they'd have a person keeping track of serial numbers. I think (This is just my thought) that MS DOES keep track of ALL serial numbers, because they're run through a system to register them. I don't believe if you try to connect with an unregistered KV's serial number it will work.

However, this is just my opinion.

unduser wrote

Swegy0 wrote

Distantly wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote if there was a way to do that don't you think people would have figured it out in the 8+ years Xbox has been out....

Honestly, no. Its like a lock. It seems complex from the outside, but inside its just stick that push other sticks to make it turn. Just like a lock, why look into it if it works?

I dont know, I may be over thinking it. But I feel theres gotta be a way that is easier said than done, but possible

The only thing you'd accomplish is changing that KV from one xbox's KV to another, thus making it not banned. There's no real way to make a KV or unban one.

Yes there is, its been proven by great PPC coders such as Eaton/Dwack. Learn PPC and you would know, you're the kid who flaunts about using offline files because people shouldn't make money of skids lmfao.

kid are you retarded? PPC is an assembky language, youre retarded the kv is unreadable in ppc you just see the events you **** skid

Im not a skid lol I said good coders like dwack and them know PPC. You are truly an idiot. Im out

The way a keyvault works is To Encrypt sent and received data...not really changing data...
The way it works Is when you connect to xbox live itll say

Is this Kv Flagged for ToS violation
Return False
connect

Return True
Disallow Show ban message

Now the way it stays banned is Its the console number..every KV is assigned a number, if you were to try and change this number, You would need a KV ID that is valid and registered with microsoft, and trying to guess a 10-25 digit number wouldn't be logically possible

Jeez wrote

Monster-Munch wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote

Jeez wrote

Distantly wrote if there was a way to do that don't you think people would have figured it out in the 8+ years Xbox has been out....

Honestly, no. Its like a lock. It seems complex from the outside, but inside its just stick that push other sticks to make it turn. Just like a lock, why look into it if it works?

I dont know, I may be over thinking it. But I feel theres gotta be a way that is easier said than done, but possible

The only thing you'd accomplish is changing that KV from one xbox's KV to another, thus making it not banned. There's no real way to make a KV or unban one.

Not necessarily. If a KV works by telling Live a serial number, just changing that number would make it a whole different console.

But yes, I see where youre coming from. If there is two lists of serials on LIVEs server 'Banned' and 'Unbanned', youd need to change that number to one under the 'unbanned' list. But if it work buy having a list of only banned, you could get away with having a random numbered serial and technically get on just fine

Okay let's say it did work you would also be banning someone's Xbox what is not fair in my opinion, i'm sure you would not like that, also when you connect to the server they would see the same xbox serial number for 2 consoles at the same time with 2 different ip's so the console would get flagged quick.

I 100% agree. It wouldnt be fair at all. But what I am saying is that since none of us actually knows how it works, maybe its only one sided. Where ONLY banned serials cant connect and if it appears this randomly serial number is trying to connect, and isnt in the banned list, it would, it theory, connect to LIVE.

It just seems none realistic that Microsoft would have each and every single serial stored. That would be millions upon millions to store and keep track of. Thats why I thinking only the banned ones get thrown into a bin, where all the other randomly generated serials can connect just fine..

Its just my thinking. Any serial would connect wether its generated by them or not and the theory above would work, but who knows.

I am off to a wake/funeral, so I will look into this more later on tonight.

Also, please dont have on any body that posts in this thread. It was just a simple thought that I would ask all you guys. So go ahead and discuss, but dont be hating and calling people out. I want this thread to be active and not be shutdown by admins for it getting too out of hand

First off I'll state that I know nothing about JTAG's or PPC.

However, this doesn't matter.

Storing serials is not a hard task. Some ways to accomplish this is to,
1) Produce an algorithm and any serial key, reverse to see if it returns true. Or, possibly try to generate all of the possible keys.

2) When they stamp your serial, it needs to come from somewhere, right? Probably a database already, so it's already stored and validated.

Now, for example when you buy a gift card at a store, there are millions, probably billions, of that card on the market. How does each card become active only after you buy it? It authenticates and registers with the manufacturer.

You can't simply take and 25$ Xbox Card, come home and redeem it without paying.

Regardless, serial keys have an algorithm which will always prove true to relating to said algorithm. So regardless, it would be simple to require the algorithm only and not have every key registered.

Obviously, you have never played old style PC multiplayer games. They had thousands or millions of players. And they kept track of every single CD-Key.

I once used 1234567890123 to connect to Starcraft BW and they wouldn't allow me to go online with it.

Then I had gotten banned once, and I had to get a new CD-Key because it wouldn't connect with it.