May I ask, when the last shooting took place in Australia?
1998 I believe, all because they took all guns away in a gun enforcement order thing. No problems since, why won't America do the same?

Undemised wrote May I ask, when the last shooting took place in Australia?
1998 I believe, all because they took all guns away in a gun enforcement order thing. No problems since,

Oh please.
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There's been plenty more.

Undemised wrote why won't America do the same?

Oh I don't know. The Constitution, maybe? Australia confiscated over 700,000 firearms from law abiding citizens.

Good, about time someone did something about gun control.

inb4 gun toting 'muricans 'but we r allowd r freedom'

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Undemised wrote May I ask, when the last shooting took place in Australia?
1998 I believe, all because they took all guns away in a gun enforcement order thing. No problems since,

Oh please.
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There's been plenty more.

Undemised wrote why won't America do the same?

Oh I don't know. The Constitution, maybe? Australia confiscated over 700,000 firearms from law abiding citizens.

I meant mass shootings.

And there hasn't been a major shooting for 17 ish years, so looks like taking the firearms benefited.

_Skittle wrote Good, about time someone did something about gun control.

inb4 gun toting 'muricans 'but we r allowd r freedom'

I love when people who don't live in the US voice their opinions on policies they know nothing about other than what they've read on sensationalized headlines.

I see this has turned more towards gun control over spending, so I'll address that issue too. I will start by bringing up this fact yet AGAIN. There was just a little over 11k homocides with guns in 2013. All counted up, 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms. This includes suicides, accidently shooting yourself, mistaking the hunter at the bottom of the hill for a deer, etc. 1.3% is NOT enough to justify making it harder to get guns for the rest of the 98.7% of us.

As far as "felons shouldn't have guns", that's a crock of shit. You can get a felony by transporting drugs, even though you've never touched a gun in your life. I know a couple people who got busted with pot back before it was legal (I'm in WA state), and they got their rights to own a firearm taken away even though they've never owned one.

Let's add to the above statement. My brother got back from a camping trip where he took his school backpack, and we always take our guns. The next day was a school day, and he didn't take the gun out of his backpack. The teacher said he smelled like weed so they search him. No weed, but up comes a gun. You can imagine what happens on the school side so we won't get into that beings it's irrelevant. Now flash forward a couple years, him and I hear an ad on the radio about a sale on guns at Cabelas. We go down there and he at 18 years old with a history of bringing a gun to school (not sure what the legal paperwork said, but his expulsion papers said "gun" not firearm or BB gun) buys a semi auto AR-15, and walked out the door with it in less than 90 minutes. Is that right? I know my brother isn't one to shoot up a school, but if he has a record for bringing a gun to a school, should he be able to get a gun in less than 2 hours?

Did you know that most guns used in crimes are stolen? Even if you make it illegal o buy guns, people will still get them. Yes, they are pushing for safer storage, in fact a lot of places won't charge you sales tax on a gun safe (when you're looking at a safe that's 1k+, sales ax is a lot lol). What is the point in having a pistol, short barrel AR base, sawed off shotgun (yes they're illegal but a lot of people own them), etc.? Home defense. What a bunch of good my gun will do me when a robber breakers in my front door at 3 AM, and I have to get out of bed, open my safe, grab my gun, and confront him. A lot of people also carry weapons in their cars for self defense, so it's really not that hard to get one.

Let's say I want to shoot up my local high school. Hell, I don't need to buy or steal a gun, the school officer has an AR in his patrol car in plain sight, most of the students pass his car at least once going between classes. All I need to do is get ammo for it (knowing a police issue AK is 5.56, stealing a couple boxes is easy). Now I have the ammo for it, and probably a couple more mags, all I need to do is break into that car, grab the rifle, and away I go on my murder spree. If you want me to be safer with my guns, you damn well better practice what you preach.

Let's look at a couple areas, the state of Alaska (736,732 residents as of 2014), and Washington DC (658,893 residents as of 2014). In Alaska, as you can guess, A LOT of people own guns. What's the crime rate? 4,708 violent crimes annually, or 6.4 crimes per 1,000 residents. In DC, it's 8,406 violent crime annually, or 13 crimes per 1,000 residents. Alaska has almost 100k more citizens, but less than half the crime per 1,000 residents as DC. Could guns be a part in that? Who knows, maybe people just like their neighbors more out there, but I can guarantee you that if I know you have guns, I'll think twice before committing a violent crime against you.

In this wonderful state I live in (Washington), a bunch of dipshits got together and decided that we should pass this I-594 which says without a background check, I can't give you my gun. You want to see where that will get you?


What needs to be done? Not much considering there's only 1.3% of people dying from guns each year. I do want to know what the hell happened to the cool down period. It was a pain in the ass, but it should be mandatory. The fact is, disarming your citizens is not the way to go. If you make it harder to get guns you will see a lot more crime. The drug ridden streets patrolled by the gangs will be causing trouble knowing you probably don't have guns.

Don't listen to the propaganda bull shit, keep your guns, happiness, and safety. Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither and lose both. If you think taking away guns is a peachy idea, get the **** out of the USA, I'll help pay for your plane ticket.

tbh if US citizens think its more important to have the freedom to shoot each other up than to regulate potential danger then let them - I'm sure natural selection will take its course anyway

Here is a simple fact for all you simple minded liberals out there. Drinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.1,2 Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years.

88k deaths from drinking, or 11k from guns. Sounds like alcohol is at least 8 times more of a problem than guns. That only goes to 2010, 5 years later that number is probably a lot higher...

KKorner wrote tbh if US citizens think its more important to have the freedom shoot each other up than to regulate potential danger then let them - I'm sure natural selection will take its course anyway

If you dont live in the states, keep your damn mouth shut. These stupid news lines make it way more stretched than it is. Youre stupid if you think disarming the LEGAL APPROVED OWNERS is a solution to SHOOTINGS BY ILLEGALLY OWNED WEAPONS. Guns are everywhere. FFS you can make them. I plan to open carry here very shortly. Im not gonna be sitting behind cover when someone opens up on me in public. People are gonna think twice when they see others with pistols strapped to their waste. If I were a killer know where I would go? A gun free zone. I would then be able to shoot as many people as I want and only worry about the police. Even then I just hold hostages and look at me, safe to kill many. Look at the California shooting. Illegal weapons, still killed 14 people and injured more. Had someone with a gun been there, it wouldve been different.

Ill let you liberal fools sit in your "gun free zones" while I have a firearm ready for when shit goes down.

002 wrote I see this has turned more towards gun control over spending, so I'll address that issue too. I will start by bringing up this fact yet AGAIN. There was just a little over 11k homocides with guns in 2013. All counted up, 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms. This includes suicides, accidently shooting yourself, mistaking the hunter at the bottom of the hill for a deer, etc. 1.3% is NOT enough to justify making it harder to get guns for the rest of the 98.7% of us.

As far as "felons shouldn't have guns", that's a crock of shit. You can get a felony by transporting drugs, even though you've never touched a gun in your life. I know a couple people who got busted with pot back before it was legal (I'm in WA state), and they got their rights to own a firearm taken away even though they've never owned one.

Let's add to the above statement. My brother got back from a camping trip where he took his school backpack, and we always take our guns. The next day was a school day, and he didn't take the gun out of his backpack. The teacher said he smelled like weed so they search him. No weed, but up comes a gun. You can imagine what happens on the school side so we won't get into that beings it's irrelevant. Now flash forward a couple years, him and I hear an ad on the radio about a sale on guns at Cabelas. We go down there and he at 18 years old with a history of bringing a gun to school (not sure what the legal paperwork said, but his expulsion papers said "gun" not firearm or BB gun) buys a semi auto AR-15, and walked out the door with it in less than 90 minutes. Is that right? I know my brother isn't one to shoot up a school, but if he has a record for bringing a gun to a school, should he be able to get a gun in less than 2 hours?

Did you know that most guns used in crimes are stolen? Even if you make it illegal o buy guns, people will still get them. Yes, they are pushing for safer storage, in fact a lot of places won't charge you sales tax on a gun safe (when you're looking at a safe that's 1k+, sales ax is a lot lol). What is the point in having a pistol, short barrel AR base, sawed off shotgun (yes they're illegal but a lot of people own them), etc.? Home defense. What a bunch of good my gun will do me when a robber breakers in my front door at 3 AM, and I have to get out of bed, open my safe, grab my gun, and confront him. A lot of people also carry weapons in their cars for self defense, so it's really not that hard to get one.

Let's say I want to shoot up my local high school. Hell, I don't need to buy or steal a gun, the school officer has an AR in his patrol car in plain sight, most of the students pass his car at least once going between classes. All I need to do is get ammo for it (knowing a police issue AK is 5.56, stealing a couple boxes is easy). Now I have the ammo for it, and probably a couple more mags, all I need to do is break into that car, grab the rifle, and away I go on my murder spree. If you want me to be safer with my guns, you damn well better practice what you preach.

Let's look at a couple areas, the state of Alaska (736,732 residents as of 2014), and Washington DC (658,893 residents as of 2014). In Alaska, as you can guess, A LOT of people own guns. What's the crime rate? 4,708 violent crimes annually, or 6.4 crimes per 1,000 residents. In DC, it's 8,406 violent crime annually, or 13 crimes per 1,000 residents. Alaska has almost 100k more citizens, but less than half the crime per 1,000 residents as DC. Could guns be a part in that? Who knows, maybe people just like their neighbors more out there, but I can guarantee you that if I know you have guns, I'll think twice before committing a violent crime against you.

In this wonderful state I live in (Washington), a bunch of dipshits got together and decided that we should pass this I-594 which says without a background check, I can't give you my gun. You want to see where that will get you?

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What needs to be done? Not much considering there's only 1.3% of people dying from guns each year. I do want to know what the hell happened to the cool down period. It was a pain in the ass, but it should be mandatory. The fact is, disarming your citizens is not the way to go. If you make it harder to get guns you will see a lot more crime. The drug ridden streets patrolled by the gangs will be causing trouble knowing you probably don't have guns.

Don't listen to the propaganda bull shit, keep your guns, happiness, and safety. Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither and lose both. If you think taking away guns is a peachy idea, get the **** out of the USA, I'll help pay for your plane ticket.

This was an excellent post and I applaud you for making it. This literally sums it up perfectly. Have you noticed that the people down voting it dont live in the states? (;