XepherTheCat wrote In my opinion, a budget like this wouldn't be reasonable to add an SSD on to.

Of course it is. Dropping the SSD to get a Gold rated PSU in a $600 rig would be the unreasonable thing to do lmfao.

Sundown wrote I ended up buying everything in that first build except I changed the case.

Yeah, case isn't really a huge deal. What case did you go with? The Tesseract is a decent budget case but there are plenty of other options and you can't really go wrong with anything in the $30-40 range, they'll all be pretty similar in terms of quality, for the most part.

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XepherTheCat wrote In my opinion, a budget like this wouldn't be reasonable to add an SSD on to.

Of course it is. Dropping the SSD to get a Gold rated PSU in a $600 rig would be the unreasonable thing to do lmfao.

Sundown wrote I ended up buying everything in that first build except I changed the case.

Yeah, case isn't really a huge deal. What case did you go with? The Tesseract is a decent budget case but there are plenty of other options and you can't really go wrong with anything in the $30-40 range, they'll all be pretty similar in terms of quality, for the most part.

I just mentioned that you could drop the gold rated PSU and get a bronze rated one for $32. But that extra $15 isn't going to get you an SSD.

The build with an SSD is over the budget by $13. Mine is under by $20, if you're replacing the PSU with the one I linked.

XepherTheCat wrote I just mentioned that you could drop the gold rated PSU and get a bronze rated one for $32.

It's $47 actually.

XepherTheCat wrote But that extra $15 isn't going to get you an SSD.

What.. What extra $15? The Gold rated PSU is $70, the Bronze rated unit is $47.

XepherTheCat wrote The build with an SSD is over the budget by $13. Mine is under by $20, if you're replacing the PSU with the one I linked.

What you initially suggested is $30 over budget, with the cheaper PSU, it would be about $5 over budget. So, very similar in terms of price to what I recommended, however you sacrifice the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote You can replace that PSU with this I suppose. But the 550W gives more opportunity to upgrade, if you're looking into a GTX 1070/1080 or RX580. 430W would be cutting it close if you were to upgrade to mentioned GPUs.

A good 430W unit would be fine for a GTX 1070 or 1080 FYI.

XepherTheCat wrote PSU can be carried over when upgrading.

If you're buying a PSU to last, you'd be better off getting a Gold rated, fully modular, pretty high wattage PSU. Something like an EVGA 750W G2/G3. That said, any Gold rated PSU does not belong in a $600 budget IMO, unless it's ridiculously well priced, like some of the Rosewill units were not long ago.

XepherTheCat wrote It's a quality power supply and it's rather cheap at this time

Which one, the Gold rated unit or Bronze? Neither of them are that cheap. $25 for the 450W BV(when I recommended it) is cheap. It's not a great unit for sure, but for half the price of the 430W Seasonic unit, it's a killer choice and is absolutely more than adequate for a $600 system with a 1050Ti.

XepherTheCat wrote Any build deserves an SSD, but it's not reasonable to add an SSD on lower budget, because that also means you'll have to cut corners with other components which affects OVERALL performance, computing, gaming, everything.

Except that I haven't sacrificed performance anywhere in my suggestion and still managed to include an SSD. The only 'sacrifice' is the PSU, but it's a really good unit for less than $30. You're the one who has cut corners and sacrificed quality/performance by dropping the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote A PSU is something that you should NOT cheap out on

Agree'd, to a certain extent. You don't put high end PSU's in low budget systems. You're not going to put something like an EVGA 650W GS in a $450 system. Again though, like I said, for $25-30, the EVGA BV unit is more than adequate.

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XepherTheCat wrote I just mentioned that you could drop the gold rated PSU and get a bronze rated one for $32.

It's $47 actually.

XepherTheCat wrote But that extra $15 isn't going to get you an SSD.

What.. What extra $15? The Gold rated PSU is $70, the Bronze rated unit is $47.

XepherTheCat wrote The build with an SSD is over the budget by $13. Mine is under by $20, if you're replacing the PSU with the one I linked.

What you initially suggested is $30 over budget, with the cheaper PSU, it would be about $5 over budget. So, very similar in terms of price to what I recommended, however you sacrifice the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote You can replace that PSU with this I suppose. But the 550W gives more opportunity to upgrade, if you're looking into a GTX 1070/1080 or RX580. 430W would be cutting it close if you were to upgrade to mentioned GPUs.

A good 430W unit would be fine for a GTX 1070 or 1080 FYI.

XepherTheCat wrote PSU can be carried over when upgrading.

If you're buying a PSU to last, you'd be better off getting a Gold rated, fully modular, pretty high wattage PSU. Something like an EVGA 750W G2/G3. That said, any Gold rated PSU does not belong in a $600 budget IMO, unless it's ridiculously well priced, like some of the Rosewill units were not long ago.

XepherTheCat wrote It's a quality power supply and it's rather cheap at this time

Which one, the Gold rated unit or Bronze? Neither of them are that cheap. $25 for the 450W BV(when I recommended it) is cheap. It's not a great unit for sure, but for half the price of the 430W Seasonic unit, it's a killer choice and is absolutely more than adequate for a $600 system with a 1050Ti.

XepherTheCat wrote Any build deserves an SSD, but it's not reasonable to add an SSD on lower budget, because that also means you'll have to cut corners with other components which affects OVERALL performance, computing, gaming, everything.

Except that I haven't sacrificed performance anywhere in my suggestion and still managed to include an SSD. The only 'sacrifice' is the PSU, but it's a really good unit for less than $30. You're the one who has cut corners and sacrificed quality/performance by dropping the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote A PSU is something that you should NOT cheap out on

Agree'd, to a certain extent. You don't put high end PSU's in low budget systems. You're not going to put something like an EVGA 650W GS in a $450 system. Again though, like I said, for $25-30, the EVGA BV unit is more than adequate.

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$32 after MIR.
I was not $30 over. I was $13 over, with the gold rated PSU.

I'd like to see you run a GTX 1080 on a 430W PSU with a reasonable CPU.
The GTX 1080 has a power draw of around 300-330 watts under load.
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I'd like to see you fit a CPU, HDD, RAM, motherboard power consumption with 100 watts. Please link me all your sources if you do.
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What a shocker? The Ryzen 5 1400 draws 100+ watts under load!
No way.

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$32 after MIR.

$32 after MIR isn't $32. It's $47 and then you maybe get $15 back months later.

XepherTheCat wrote I was not $30 over. I was $13 over, with the gold rated PSU.

$40 over budget with a $15 off with a promo, so $27 over.

XepherTheCat wrote I'd like to see you run a GTX 1080 on a 430W PSU with a reasonable CPU.
The GTX 1080 has a power draw of around 300-330 watts under load.
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You've literally just proven my point. 335W power draw under peak load. 335 is less than 430.

XepherTheCat wrote I'd like to see you fit a CPU, HDD, RAM, motherboard power consumption with 100 watts. Please link me all your sources if you do.

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Or I could just show your own proof that validates what I claimed?
Oh, also, keep in mind that it is VERY likely the CPU being used for these benchmarks is more power hungry than an R5 1400.

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What a shocker? The Ryzen 5 1400 draws 100+ watts under load!
No way.

Want to go ahead and show me where exactly the R5 1400 itself is pulling more than 100w?

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I went ahead and upped the ante. 16 GB of RAM, CPU cooler, 4 case fans, HDD and SSD, 1080 GPU, Ryzen 5 and motherboard. 392w. That "underload" chart you linked is such bullshit. My 1070 STIRX in SLI on 4k, 100% load on both GPUs never draws more than 305 Wattage unless I'm overclocking them. A 1080 slapped in there would be more than fine if he's not OC'ing his CPU or GPU.

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$32 after MIR.

$32 after MIR isn't $32. It's $47 and then you maybe get $15 back months later.

XepherTheCat wrote I was not $30 over. I was $13 over, with the gold rated PSU.

$40 over budget with a $15 off with a promo, so $27 over.

XepherTheCat wrote I'd like to see you run a GTX 1080 on a 430W PSU with a reasonable CPU.
The GTX 1080 has a power draw of around 300-330 watts under load.
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You've literally just proven my point. 335W power draw under peak load. 335 is less than 430.

XepherTheCat wrote I'd like to see you fit a CPU, HDD, RAM, motherboard power consumption with 100 watts. Please link me all your sources if you do.

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Or I could just show your own proof that validates what I claimed?
Oh, also, keep in mind that it is VERY likely the CPU being used for these benchmarks is more power hungry than an R5 1400.

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What a shocker? The Ryzen 5 1400 draws 100+ watts under load!
No way.

Want to go ahead and show me where exactly the R5 1400 itself is pulling more than 100w?

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335 + 178 < 430 is what you're claming. When's the last time you took a math course?

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335 + 161 < 430 is also what you're claiming.

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335 + 208 < 430 is also what you're claiming

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XepherTheCat wrote I just mentioned that you could drop the gold rated PSU and get a bronze rated one for $32.

It's $47 actually.

XepherTheCat wrote But that extra $15 isn't going to get you an SSD.

What.. What extra $15? The Gold rated PSU is $70, the Bronze rated unit is $47.

XepherTheCat wrote The build with an SSD is over the budget by $13. Mine is under by $20, if you're replacing the PSU with the one I linked.

What you initially suggested is $30 over budget, with the cheaper PSU, it would be about $5 over budget. So, very similar in terms of price to what I recommended, however you sacrifice the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote You can replace that PSU with this I suppose. But the 550W gives more opportunity to upgrade, if you're looking into a GTX 1070/1080 or RX580. 430W would be cutting it close if you were to upgrade to mentioned GPUs.

A good 430W unit would be fine for a GTX 1070 or 1080 FYI.

XepherTheCat wrote PSU can be carried over when upgrading.

If you're buying a PSU to last, you'd be better off getting a Gold rated, fully modular, pretty high wattage PSU. Something like an EVGA 750W G2/G3. That said, any Gold rated PSU does not belong in a $600 budget IMO, unless it's ridiculously well priced, like some of the Rosewill units were not long ago.

XepherTheCat wrote It's a quality power supply and it's rather cheap at this time

Which one, the Gold rated unit or Bronze? Neither of them are that cheap. $25 for the 450W BV(when I recommended it) is cheap. It's not a great unit for sure, but for half the price of the 430W Seasonic unit, it's a killer choice and is absolutely more than adequate for a $600 system with a 1050Ti.

XepherTheCat wrote Any build deserves an SSD, but it's not reasonable to add an SSD on lower budget, because that also means you'll have to cut corners with other components which affects OVERALL performance, computing, gaming, everything.

Except that I haven't sacrificed performance anywhere in my suggestion and still managed to include an SSD. The only 'sacrifice' is the PSU, but it's a really good unit for less than $30. You're the one who has cut corners and sacrificed quality/performance by dropping the SSD.

XepherTheCat wrote A PSU is something that you should NOT cheap out on

Agree'd, to a certain extent. You don't put high end PSU's in low budget systems. You're not going to put something like an EVGA 650W GS in a $450 system. Again though, like I said, for $25-30, the EVGA BV unit is more than adequate.

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$32 after MIR.
I was not $30 over. I was $13 over, with the gold rated PSU.

I'd like to see you run a GTX 1080 on a 430W PSU with a reasonable CPU.
The GTX 1080 has a power draw of around 300-330 watts under load.
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I'd like to see you fit a CPU, HDD, RAM, motherboard power consumption with 100 watts. Please link me all your sources if you do.
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What a shocker? The Ryzen 5 1400 draws 100+ watts under load!
No way.

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I went ahead and upped the ante. 16 GB of RAM, CPU cooler, 4 case fans, HDD and SSD, 1080 GPU, Ryzen 5 and motherboard. 392w. That "underload" chart you linked is such bullshit. My 1070 STIRX in SLI on 4k, 100% load on both GPUs never draws more than 305 Wattage unless I'm overclocking them. A 1080 slapped in there would be more than fine if he's not OC'ing his CPU or GPU.

This is a very ignorant statement.

Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.

By the looks if it, they're using TDP. I've never ran into someone who talks like they know electronics and then goes ahead and tells me TDP is power draw.

I'm going to give you a two sentence education session here. TDP means thermal design power. This means that the part or electronic, or GPU or whatever you wanna call it is meant to generate this much heat. If power draw == TDP then that means no work is being done. Basically a space heater.

Please don't tell me my sources are bullshit. Considering they're from reliable sources. You have no sources to back up your statement.

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335 + 178 < 430 is what you're claming. When's the last time you took a math course?

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335 + 161 < 430 is also what you're claiming.

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335 + 208 < 430 is also what you're claiming

TOTAL SYSTEM POWER CONSUMPTION

Figured it out yet?

XepherTheCat wrote This is a very ignorant statement...

I'm going to give you a two sentence education session here.

Mmm, tasty serving of irony from the guy that doesn't understand "TOTAL SYSTEM power consumption".