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Oozy wrote Can someone tell me why so many people outside of the US have baby 4 cylinder cars? Is there something about emissions, space, etc... that makes it harder to get big boy cars and trucks?

because other countries don't judge the size of their penis on the size of their truck. No point owning a pickup truck unless you are towing or actually got stuff in the back tray. Can't tell how many times I have heard of americans who buy big pick up trucks and then say they don't tow or actually use it. Might as well buy a car that will be cheaper to run.

Like in australia if you get a big ass pick up truck and your not actually a tradie or use it properly your considered a bit of a tosser. But please, keep your big boy trucks since it seems the only way to measure how manly someone is in the US.

I mentioned the word truck once. I can see that it got to you a little bit, so please don't be offended. My post was not really about trucks. It was more about vehicles with big engines.

Your post was primarily about trucks. When I said big boy cars and trucks, I meant vehicles with big v8 engines. Just ignore the word truck. Why do people from countries other than the US mostly have vehicles with 4 cylinder engines?

It has nothing to do with how manly you are or anything like that? I understand that they are normally better with gas mileage. But that is about it. After looking at a few of the post the TTG vehicle section, it seems like people from other countries go buy cars with 4 cylinders like a Mazda speed then they mod the car and act like they are going to be in one of the older Fast and Furious movies.

My understanding is that drag racing is really only big in the US and most other countries like to go race at a circut track. And if that is the case I can understand why someone might want some of these cars. But that is not what I normally see. Most of these cars are just daily drivers that they occasionally race at the track. I live in the US, more specifically in Oklahoma. A lot of us do the same thing. We mod our daily drivers and occasionally take them to the drag strip to race. But a lot of the time, going to the drag strip is too much hassle and not convenient. So we just do some street racing. Even purpose built race cars get driven on the street. And little 4 cylinder cars normally do not cut it. Sure you can make a stupid fast honda civic, but it takes a lot more work and money than a lot of the V8 RWD cars.

What I really want to know is why do these people find 4 cylinders so appealing? To me there is nothing really appealing about them. Lets assume that you have a 2017 GTI with a few modifications and it makes 300-400 horsepower, what is appealing about that? That is nothing in the US. Where I live, its very common for people to drive Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, etc. They make 300-400- horsepower from the factory and naturally aspirated. Then you can go and mod them and make a decent amount of power. Sure they may be a few hundred pounds lighter, but that is besides the point. And it is not as common, but still common to find cars that make over 500-600 horsepower. I guess that different countries have different standards of what is fast and slow. If you guys consider a GTI that makes 400 hp fast, then you would think someone with a 800 hp corvette has a death wish. And i am not saying that the GTI is slow, it is just average. What people in countries like the UK can get away with driving is just not going to work in the US.

I really do not want to change the subject of the post so I am not going to argue any more about this, I just wanted a simple answer.

And since I did not state my first vehicle earlier, I drove a extended cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with the 4.3l V6. I am 18 currently and I drove that for a year. I now drive a extended cab 2004 Chevy Silverado with a 5.3l V8. And I am building a regular cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with a 6.0l V8. Hopefully it will be built by the end of the year.

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Oozy wrote Can someone tell me why so many people outside of the US have baby 4 cylinder cars? Is there something about emissions, space, etc... that makes it harder to get big boy cars and trucks?

-Moonshine wrote 2012 GMC Sierra. Got it brand new off the lot. I was 16 years old. Still paying for it too. LoL

Why are you laughing about it? That was a pretty dumb decision to make. You were thousands of dollars in debt before you even turned 18.

In debt my ass.
How was it a dumb decision? The truck makes me money, so I don't think it is dumb. I needed a dependable truck for me and my dads business.
Actually as soon as I pay it off, I'm going to trade it in on a diesel before the truck goes to far down in value. And to be more dependable and safer pulling heavy equipment.

How are you not in debt if you are still paying for it? You owe some one or company money for the truck, that is called debt.

Now that I know you are using the truck to make money, that makes the decision a little less dumb, but still pretty dumb. You should never put yourself into debt unless you have to. The only exception that I could think of is something like a house where most people do not have the upfront money to outright buy a house. And if you do have to go into debt, you should minimize the amount of debt.

Lets assume that you bought the lowest tier regularcab GMC Sierra with a V6 brand new of off the show room floor. A brand new Sierra cost roughly $29000 USD if speced the way I have stated. You probably have to pay interest on whatever loan you got. Because of your age your insurance is going to be pretty high and since you have a brand new truck it will be higher. If your a male then your insurance will be even higher.

Kelly Blue Book list a 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 Regular Cab with the same specs as earlier at $13,774 if you by from a dealer. So you have pretty much lost over half of what you put in the truck. And that is assuming you go the lowest spec truck.

It seems like the business is working out for you and that is great. But what if the business did not work out? Then you instantly have lost a good bit of money.

The wiser thing to do would have been to get an older truck. Like 10 years older. According to KBB a similar spec 2008 Sierra from a dealer would cost $10391. You are not in debt as much, insurance is cheaper, the truck will not depreciate as much, and if something happens to the business, you are not out as much. KBB states that the truck would have around 110,000 miles on it. As long as you take good care of it and do regular maintenance, the truck should last you another 100,000 miles if not more. You could own that truck for 4 or 5 years, then sell if for another 10 year old truck (a 2012-2013 truck not another 2008 truck). You would lose the least amount of money and you would save more with things like insurance.

The best thing to do would be to save up money to outright buy a truck and not have a loan, but I understand why you got a loan.

And just because you buy a brand new truck, that does not mean that it will be dependable.

The sticker price was $36,440. After the down payment and discount I got it down to $29,???.
The interest on the truck was 0%. And the reason why it was no interest was because on paper my dad bought it. We new if I tried it (if I could) I wouldn't get the loan with 0% interest.

The insurance isn't all that bad. It is listed under the business insurance. Which was cheaper then having it under my own personal car insurance.

The truck is actually worth $23,000 to $26,000. Thats why I want to get rid of it before it goes under $20,000 and get somthing that can suite my needs a little better. Which I wasn't planning on trading on a newer truck but just a low mile diesel about the same year range. I don't care about all the new trucks with these new electronics.

Well the business has been doing good for 20+ years so I hope it doesn't go under but if it did then it still wouldn't scare me. I can find work. Plus I have a couple other cars to daily if I have too.

I understand stand where your coming from but if the truck didn't make money then I wouldn't have gotten it. A good thing about new vehicles is that you know how its been treated. If I bought a used truck and a couple months of owning it that the trans decides to go out, then I have to fork out money for a trans and I'm losing money because I'm a truck short.

The truck has definitely payed for it self then some. The only reason why i haven't payed it off earlier is because I do like my toys and also to help my dads credit score out.

Total price includes down payment....


Anyway, let's do some very simple math here as I also bought my truck for my "business". I spent $5k on the truck. Let's go with your scenario of the tranny blows. Ok, so now I have a $3k expense but I'm now out a truck because I can rent one for roughly $50/day. Say it takes 10 days, so now I'm out $3500. $8500 is a far cry from $30k, not to mention that if nothing goes wrong on that used truck, your truck actually made you money.

I love the idea of "well the truck makes me money". No matter how I break it down, unless I cut my hourly rate that I personally take, the truck does not make me money. The truck has its running costs, repair costs, etc. All it can do is allow me to make money. The difference is, on a $30k truck I have to find a lot more work to turn a profit over the truck rather than if I had the $5k truck.

And just to touch on the insurance, if you get in a wreck and it has business insurance but it's your personal vehicle and you don't own the business (I.E. your name isn't on those tax forms), you're kind of screwed.

Yea I messed up wording the down payment part.

Yes, I have to find more work to turn a profit on a $30k truck. BUT spreading that $30k over the 6 year loan it makes it alot easier. Yea I probably could have just spent $10k on a truck. But at the time I wasn't worried about $5k a year going to a new truck, just as long as I didn't have to pay interest.

Business licence has my name on it. (Owner)
I file the taxes so yes it has my name on it.

All in all either way I went, I would have been good. But I'm glad of the way I went. And truly that's all that matters. But I do see where ya are coming from And I appreciate it

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Oozy wrote Can someone tell me why so many people outside of the US have baby 4 cylinder cars? Is there something about emissions, space, etc... that makes it harder to get big boy cars and trucks?

because other countries don't judge the size of their penis on the size of their truck. No point owning a pickup truck unless you are towing or actually got stuff in the back tray. Can't tell how many times I have heard of americans who buy big pick up trucks and then say they don't tow or actually use it. Might as well buy a car that will be cheaper to run.

Like in australia if you get a big ass pick up truck and your not actually a tradie or use it properly your considered a bit of a tosser. But please, keep your big boy trucks since it seems the only way to measure how manly someone is in the US.

I mentioned the word truck once. I can see that it got to you a little bit, so please don't be offended. My post was not really about trucks. It was more about vehicles with big engines.

Your post was primarily about trucks. When I said big boy cars and trucks, I meant vehicles with big v8 engines. Just ignore the word truck. Why do people from countries other than the US mostly have vehicles with 4 cylinder engines?

It has nothing to do with how manly you are or anything like that? I understand that they are normally better with gas mileage. But that is about it. After looking at a few of the post the TTG vehicle section, it seems like people from other countries go buy cars with 4 cylinders like a Mazda speed then they mod the car and act like they are going to be in one of the older Fast and Furious movies.

My understanding is that drag racing is really only big in the US and most other countries like to go race at a circut track. And if that is the case I can understand why someone might want some of these cars. But that is not what I normally see. Most of these cars are just daily drivers that they occasionally race at the track. I live in the US, more specifically in Oklahoma. A lot of us do the same thing. We mod our daily drivers and occasionally take them to the drag strip to race. But a lot of the time, going to the drag strip is too much hassle and not convenient. So we just do some street racing. Even purpose built race cars get driven on the street. And little 4 cylinder cars normally do not cut it. Sure you can make a stupid fast honda civic, but it takes a lot more work and money than a lot of the V8 RWD cars.

What I really want to know is why do these people find 4 cylinders so appealing? To me there is nothing really appealing about them. Lets assume that you have a 2017 GTI with a few modifications and it makes 300-400 horsepower, what is appealing about that? That is nothing in the US. Where I live, its very common for people to drive Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, etc. They make 300-400- horsepower from the factory and naturally aspirated. Then you can go and mod them and make a decent amount of power. Sure they may be a few hundred pounds lighter, but that is besides the point. And it is not as common, but still common to find cars that make over 500-600 horsepower. I guess that different countries have different standards of what is fast and slow. If you guys consider a GTI that makes 400 hp fast, then you would think someone with a 800 hp corvette has a death wish. And i am not saying that the GTI is slow, it is just average. What people in countries like the UK can get away with driving is just not going to work in the US.

I really do not want to change the subject of the post so I am not going to argue any more about this, I just wanted a simple answer.

And since I did not state my first vehicle earlier, I drove a extended cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with the 4.3l V6. I am 18 currently and I drove that for a year. I now drive a extended cab 2004 Chevy Silverado with a 5.3l V8. And I am building a regular cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with a 6.0l V8. Hopefully it will be built by the end of the year.

The reason why people in US own cars with big engines is because we can afford them. Not just the base price, but the fuel. We pay roughly $3/gal right now, what does someone in the UK pay? Our gas is subsidized which helps us a lot.

Oozy wrote

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Oozy wrote Can someone tell me why so many people outside of the US have baby 4 cylinder cars? Is there something about emissions, space, etc... that makes it harder to get big boy cars and trucks?

because other countries don't judge the size of their penis on the size of their truck. No point owning a pickup truck unless you are towing or actually got stuff in the back tray. Can't tell how many times I have heard of americans who buy big pick up trucks and then say they don't tow or actually use it. Might as well buy a car that will be cheaper to run.

Like in australia if you get a big ass pick up truck and your not actually a tradie or use it properly your considered a bit of a tosser. But please, keep your big boy trucks since it seems the only way to measure how manly someone is in the US.

I mentioned the word truck once. I can see that it got to you a little bit, so please don't be offended. My post was not really about trucks. It was more about vehicles with big engines.

Your post was primarily about trucks. When I said big boy cars and trucks, I meant vehicles with big v8 engines. Just ignore the word truck. Why do people from countries other than the US mostly have vehicles with 4 cylinder engines?

It has nothing to do with how manly you are or anything like that? I understand that they are normally better with gas mileage. But that is about it. After looking at a few of the post the TTG vehicle section, it seems like people from other countries go buy cars with 4 cylinders like a Mazda speed then they mod the car and act like they are going to be in one of the older Fast and Furious movies.

My understanding is that drag racing is really only big in the US and most other countries like to go race at a circut track. And if that is the case I can understand why someone might want some of these cars. But that is not what I normally see. Most of these cars are just daily drivers that they occasionally race at the track. I live in the US, more specifically in Oklahoma. A lot of us do the same thing. We mod our daily drivers and occasionally take them to the drag strip to race. But a lot of the time, going to the drag strip is too much hassle and not convenient. So we just do some street racing. Even purpose built race cars get driven on the street. And little 4 cylinder cars normally do not cut it. Sure you can make a stupid fast honda civic, but it takes a lot more work and money than a lot of the V8 RWD cars.

What I really want to know is why do these people find 4 cylinders so appealing? To me there is nothing really appealing about them. Lets assume that you have a 2017 GTI with a few modifications and it makes 300-400 horsepower, what is appealing about that? That is nothing in the US. Where I live, its very common for people to drive Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, etc. They make 300-400- horsepower from the factory and naturally aspirated. Then you can go and mod them and make a decent amount of power. Sure they may be a few hundred pounds lighter, but that is besides the point. And it is not as common, but still common to find cars that make over 500-600 horsepower. I guess that different countries have different standards of what is fast and slow. If you guys consider a GTI that makes 400 hp fast, then you would think someone with a 800 hp corvette has a death wish. And i am not saying that the GTI is slow, it is just average. What people in countries like the UK can get away with driving is just not going to work in the US.

I really do not want to change the subject of the post so I am not going to argue any more about this, I just wanted a simple answer.

And since I did not state my first vehicle earlier, I drove a extended cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with the 4.3l V6. I am 18 currently and I drove that for a year. I now drive a extended cab 2004 Chevy Silverado with a 5.3l V8. And I am building a regular cab 1998 GMC Sonoma with a 6.0l V8. Hopefully it will be built by the end of the year.

Its a pretty weird thing to say there is no appeal because of the amount of cylinders. Likes whats appealing about a v8?
Its a bit of a dumb question really. Obviously there is a lot of things. Just think about what you like about a v8 and then think why someone might prefer a 4cyl and 6 cyl.
Diferent engine noises,
body shape,
turbo/supercharger spool.

It was just such a condinsecding question. like saying why don't you get a big boy car?
If you seriously can't tell whats wrong with that I don't know what to tell you.
There is literally a million things to like about any car and if you can't see the appeal in anything smaller than 8 cylinders then I don't know whats up.
A few houndred pounds of weight is massive as well. Less weight means everything. Better cornering, better acceleration, better breaking, like once you get to a point, adding liters to a v8 engine is going to be detrimental. Going to be more effiectent not only in fuel but power to weight to just add a turbo to a v6 or a smaller v8.

My first car was a 2005 Ford F150 FX4

Ponti wrote My first car was a 2005 Ford F150 FX4

those arent to bad at all man!

My first car was a 2005 Nissan Sentra RX. Thing still bangs, just went over 100k for the first time the other week after owning the car for five years now.

2001 Chevy Cavalier. Was a super fun car, ended up bottoming it out and putting a hole in the oil pan. Drove it about 2 miles and put a can size hole in the block. Good tiimes.

My first car was a 2002 Honda Civic, we bought it at 250k KMs and it's actually still running but we gave it up to one of my cousins. But now I drive a 2017 Honda Civic and love it.

First car was a 2003 Mustang GT I bought with 150k miles. Miss that pony.