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On the basis of this topic there is also a weird movement atm called the transhumanist movement that believe we can merge humans with technology, their maim goal is to merge the human brain into a computer storage system where they can live forever called the singularity.

If this was achieved then maybe we are all just AI after all, but who knows?

Philosophy is my favourite subject I have been studying for many years and love this kinda shit, it gets the mind thinking.

(I learned about the transhumism movement from a book called: To Be a Machine by mark O'Connell if you are interested by this theory)
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If you think about it we don't really have free will, whatever created the universe was the only being to have true free will,

Every other product of the creation of the universe has been made as a result of a chain reaction, decisions you make are dictated by every single factor around you, environmental factors such as weather, amount of money you have, what people think of you, how you subconsciously react to the view of what other people will have of you.

Even if you say to yourself "I have free will because I can choose to" for example, drop a glass that is currently in your hand. The only reason you'd actually drop that glass would be to prove that you had free will, due to perhaps another persons disbelief that you did have free will, if that person were not there to detest you, you would not have dropped the glass.
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If you think about it we don't really have free will, whatever created the universe was the only being to have true free will,

Every other product of the creation of the universe has been made as a result of a chain reaction, decisions you make are dictated by every single factor around you, environmental factors such as weather, amount of money you have, what people think of you, how you subconsciously react to the view of what other people will have of you.

Even if you say to yourself "I have free will because I can choose to" for example, drop a glass that is currently in your hand. The only reason you'd actually drop that glass would be to prove that you had free will, due to perhaps another persons disbelief that you did have free will, if that person were not there to detest you, you would not have dropped the glass.
Money is a man made item and caring about what people think of you is sad and part of an chemical imbalance in your brains chemistry.

I like what you said about dropping the plate but what if your sub conscious already told you to drop the plate before you consciously thought about dropping it?

Does this mean your sub consciousnes controls you or do you control your sub conscious? Like I said before Ren Descartes once said "I think therefore I am" ... Is our subconscious in control r are we?
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r0cketz wrote
Wren wrote If you think about it we don't really have free will, whatever created the universe was the only being to have true free will,

Every other product of the creation of the universe has been made as a result of a chain reaction, decisions you make are dictated by every single factor around you, environmental factors such as weather, amount of money you have, what people think of you, how you subconsciously react to the view of what other people will have of you.

Even if you say to yourself "I have free will because I can choose to" for example, drop a glass that is currently in your hand. The only reason you'd actually drop that glass would be to prove that you had free will, due to perhaps another persons disbelief that you did have free will, if that person were not there to detest you, you would not have dropped the glass.

Money is a man made item and caring about what people think of you is sad and part of an chemical imbalance in your brains chemistry.

I like what you said about dropping the plate but what if your sub conscious already told you to drop the plate before you consciously thought about dropping it?


But then your chemical imbalance i.e. the extent to which you care about other peoples opinions is a result of your genetics, therefore further supporting the inability to exercise free will.

Thinking about dropping the glass* (not plate) is not the same as actually dropping the glass. The fact that you'd only actually perform an actions as a result of another person highlights the fact that actions you perform are not a result of free will, it may be in your thoughts to do so, but your thoughts without actions are not an exercise of free will.
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r0cketz wrote
r0cketz wrote Chat shit get banged.

I'm always opened to theories on why we are conscious beings living on this rock, but I disagree with this theory, elon musk also suggests we could all be living in a simulator but I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution and would like to believe that this is not coding like the matrix lol.

My theory on life is way to long to type out but if you could explain more on why you believe we are artificial beings then I would like to here more.


You also completely contradict yourself by saying that is why we have 'free will' if we were coding then there would have to be someone in control, writing the code behind our actions.

But after saying that this is similar to the philosophy of Descartes who says Cogito ergo sum which means I think therefore I am meaning if we are thinking beings then we must in control of our own paths.

Even deeper down the rabbit whole you might be onto something if we are coding and someone is writing the code then maybe that's why the bible saying everything happens for a reason.

But everything does happen for a reason so are we in fact AI
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We are all sims
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Redacted wrote We are all sims
but is life a simulation how would we be sims if we have free will or is free will a lie and everything we do is already preprogrammed and we just think we are doing something out of our own free will when really we are all just stuck on the same path goofing wherever our predetermined lives tell us to.
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