What power supply should I get?

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 550W
50.00% (3 votes)
Cooler Master MWE Gold Full Modular 550W
0.00% (0 votes)
Be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 600W
50.00% (3 votes)

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Any feedback is welcome. This is what I got now:

nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/4C3cpG

I'm a casual gamer, so I don't need the best of the best. I'm also a little into video editing, I'm not sure I'm going to take it to the next level some time soon. I went for the Ryzen 5 with integrated GPU, since it seems good enough for me right now. Might get a GPU and a harddisc when I feel like I need it.

One last thing, I want to use the PC for a long time.
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I wouldn't bother with that. Don't pay 100+ euros for Win10, you can use it for free.

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You can swap the R5 2600 for an R7 1700 if you want. They're both the same price, R5 will have slightly better single thread performance and R7 has better multi-threaded performance since it has 2 more cores.Either one will be a solid choice. RX 570 is still a great GPU, perfectly adequate for 1080p and a whole lot better than the 2400G's integrated graphics. If you're comfortable buying used, it shouldn't be hard at all to find an 8GB RX 570, probably even some 580's for under 100 euros. I've also included a better motherboard. If you want a nicer case, there are some really good options in the 80e range, but this CM one is a nice mid range case.
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Thanks for your feedback. I think I got Windows 7 lying around somewhere, so I could use that and upgrade to 10. It is on a dvd, so I'm not sure how I'll do that. I went for the integrated GPU because I'm not sure yet if I will be needing a dedicated one, I figured I can always add a GPU later.

One question, why is the motherboard you choose better than the one I picked?
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Supaplex13 wrote I think I got Windows 7 lying around somewhere, so I could use that and upgrade to 10. It is on a dvd, so I'm not sure how I'll do that.

If you have a legitimate product key for Win7, you should just be able to install the same version of Windows 10, and use your product key to validate it. So, just download the Win10 Media Creation Tool, install Win10 and use the product key from your Windows 7 copy. You don't need to use the Windows 7 disc for a legitimate Windows install, you just need the product key.

Supaplex13 wrote I went for the integrated GPU because I'm not sure yet if I will be needing a dedicated one, I figured I can always add a GPU later.

Not worth it though since you can fit a nice dedicated GPU within budget anyway, and a better CPU. The 2400G is just not a great choice IMO, the iGPU is pretty poor, and you're limiting yourself to 4 cores. Just get a better CPU with a dedicated GPU.

Supaplex13 wrote One question, why is the motherboard you choose better than the one I picked?

The Asus B450 mobo you originally had is a pretty poor quality board tbh. It has cheap, lower quality VRMs with no VRM heatsinks whatsoever. The B450 Tomahawk just has more, and better quality components used. So the Asus Prime B450M-A is going to limit you in terms of overclocking. It will also limit your upgrades, I'm not sure I'd even trust an 8 core at stock clocks on that mobo, so I definitely wouldn't put a 12 or 16 core SKU in it, if we get those with Zen2. The B450 Tomahawk however, will handle some overclocks no problem and easily handle an 8 core part, and might even handle 12-16 core SKU's just fine when/if they arrive.
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Thanks for the Windows explanation, saves me the research ;p

I wasn't sure about my choice going for the integrated GPU and you made me doubt even more, so I will think some more on that.

The motherboard concerning, I wasn't planning on overclocking and the Asus B450 was suggested by 2 different people on other fora and it seems to have everything I need. You're saying it has a low quality VRM, that's for voltage regulation right? Why is it bad? Does it not regulate properly or does it fail over time? The Tomahawk sounds like what I need, since I'm looking for a setup which will last for a long time (or at least a few of it's components). I'll look into it, thanks!
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Supaplex13 wrote I wasn't sure about my choice going for the integrated GPU and you made me doubt even more, so I will think some more on that.

The APUs are fine if you have a small budget, but you don't, you can afford a better CPU+GPU so no reason not to.

Supaplex13 wrote The motherboard concerning, I wasn't planning on overclocking and the Asus B450 was suggested by 2 different people on other fora and it seems to have everything I need. You're saying it has a low quality VRM, that's for voltage regulation right? Why is it bad? Does it not regulate properly or does it fail over time? The Tomahawk sounds like what I need, since I'm looking for a setup which will last for a long time (or at least a few of it's components). I'll look into it, thanks!
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It's not a huge deal. Manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere on their cheaper motherboards, so that tends to be VRMs and heatsinks. Better VRMs will typically result in better, more stable overclocks. Even if you don't overclock, then poor quality VRMs can affect the longevity of a motherboard. I'd only recommend those cheap, bottom of the barrel AM4 motherboards for people buying the absolute cheapest stuff they can find, so not being paired with like an R5 2600/R7 1700. The B450 Tomahawk is a nice mid range board, not quite as good as some X470 boards but well worth the premium over those really cheap B350/B450 mobo's IMO.
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21 wrote The APUs are fine if you have a small budget, but you don't, you can afford a better CPU+GPU so no reason not to.


Yeah I decided to go for the Ryzen 5 2600, I just have to find a nice GPU with it.

21 wrote It's not a huge deal. Manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere on their cheaper motherboards, so that tends to be VRMs and heatsinks. Better VRMs will typically result in better, more stable overclocks. Even if you don't overclock, then poor quality VRMs can affect the longevity of a motherboard. I'd only recommend those cheap, bottom of the barrel AM4 motherboards for people buying the absolute cheapest stuff they can find, so not being paired with like an R5 2600/R7 1700. The B450 Tomahawk is a nice mid range board, not quite as good as some X470 boards but well worth the premium over those really cheap B350/B450 mobo's IMO.


Thanks, I've come across the B450M Mortar, what do you think of that one?
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No need for 3 threads. 1 is enough, more threads just gets confusing for everyone. Since you're building a full system, don't set a budget per component, set a budget for the entire system.

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I'm going to build my first PC and I'm not sure what motherboard I should get. I've gotten multiple advises, but I still don't know. The only thing I'm sure of is that I'll get a B450 ATX or mATX.

Suplaplex13 wrote Thanks, I've come across the B450M Mortar, what do you think of that one?


Like I said, I wouldn't get the Asus B450M-A. The B450M Mortar uses the same VRM design and components as the B450 Tomahawk, so the Mortar is a fine choice too, assuming it's the same price as the Tomahawk and you get an mATX case. The B450 Tomahawk is still the better option of the 2, technically, but it really just depends on whether you get an ATX or mATX case.

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I'm trying to decide what case I should use for my first PC build. It comes down to these 2, I choose them mainly because I want a case that can last forever (10+ years) and not spend too much. The prices are pretty much similar, so what do you think is better?

I mean, you can make any case last 10 years if you really wanted to I suppose. You're better off saving as much money on the case as you can, instead of spending almost 100e for a case. If you really want something in that range though, then I'd choose between the NZXT H500 or Fractal Design Meshify C. Both roughly the same price, and both ATX so will fit the B450 Tomahawk motherboard. Just choose whichever you prefer the look of.


nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/w6qwBb
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Don't pay 180e for the R5 2600, it's 165e on alternate. Also definitely don't pay 140e for RAM, shouldn't be paying more than 90e for 16GB 3000/3200MHz RAM. Get the Crucial BX500 or MX500 SSD, both are a better choice than the Kingston A400.

Suplaplex13 wrote I just have to find a nice GPU with it.

The RX 570 I included in the parts list above will work just fine, unless you're comfortable buying a used RX 570/580,in which case you can save about 40 euros.
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21 wrote No need for 3 threads. 1 is enough, more threads just gets confusing for everyone. Since you're building a full system, don't set a budget per component, set a budget for the entire system.


I'm sorry, I thought it would be easier to make a post and choose whatever gets the most votes, but I gues it doesn't work that way. My bad.

21 wrote Like I said, I wouldn't get the Asus B450M-A. The B450M Mortar uses the same VRM design and components as the B450 Tomahawk, so the Mortar is a fine choice too, assuming it's the same price as the Tomahawk and you get an mATX case. The B450 Tomahawk is still the better option of the 2, technically, but it really just depends on whether you get an ATX or mATX case.


Makes sense, thanks!

21 wrote I'd choose between the NZXT H500 or Fractal Design Meshify C. Both roughly the same price, and both ATX so will fit the B450 Tomahawk motherboard. Just choose whichever you prefer the look of.


I will

21 wrote Don't pay 180e for the R5 2600, it's 165e on alternate. Also definitely don't pay 140e for RAM, shouldn't be paying more than 90e for 16GB 3000/3200MHz RAM. Get the Crucial BX500 or MX500 SSD, both are a better choice than the Kingston A400.


Those are just the parts I wanted to get, I can get all of them cheaper, but I haven't looked into it yet. I wanted to get an idea of what parts I wanted first. Edit: I had a quick look around and the cheapest Corsair Vengeance i could find was 85 euro's. Also I changed the SSD to the Crucial BX500, same price and you're saying it's better ;p

21 wrote The RX 570 I included in the parts list above will work just fine, unless you're comfortable buying a used RX 570/580,in which case you can save about 40 euros.


Alright! I rather buy the parts brand new

Thanks for all the advise, you've been really helpfull!
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I changed the prices into the cheapest I could find:

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