Nvidia RTX 3060 rumours suggest 2080 performance for 2060 cash

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Hot on the heels of Nvidia's announcement of the GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090, and RTX 3070, rumours have started to surface about the possible configurations of the RTX 3060. The most interesting of these comes from @kopite7kimi, who was pretty accurate with some of the specifications of the other Ampere cards. So this is possibly worth paying a bit more attention to than some of the others.


According to the tweet, the RTX 3060 is going to use GA106 silicon and boast 4,864 CUDA cores. For Ampere each streaming multiprocessor (SM) is home to 128 CUDA cores, 1 RT core, and 4 Tensor cores, so it means you're looking at 38 SMs, 38 RT cores, and 152 Tensor cores. This is how the 3060 could potentially compare to the 3080 and 3070:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 rumoured specs
RTX 3080RTX 3070RTX 3060
CUDA cores8,7045,8884,864
RT cores684638
Tensor cores272184152
Texture Units272184152
Base clock1,440MHz1,500MHz?
Boost clock1,710MHz1,730MHz?
Memory capacity10GB GDDR6X8GB GDDR68GB GDDR6
Memory bus320-bit256-bit256-bit
ROPs8864?

There are plenty of things that we still don't know at this stage, such as how fast the RTX 3060 is, how many ROPs it lays claim to, or how fast the memory bus is, other than it'll probably make use of 8GB of GDDR6 and use a 256-bit memory bus. Logically the RTX 3060 would use slower memory than the RTX 3070, but we're still waiting on some details of the RTX 3070, which isn't out until October, so there are still plenty of unknowns for further rumourmongering.

Even without the full specifications though, this still makes for a healthy improvement over its predecessor, the RTX 2060. That housed 1,920 CUDA cores. In fact if these numbers are right, the RTX 3060 has 2.5x the number of CUDA cores as the RTX 2060. The boost in RT cores isn't quite so pronounced though, going from 30 to 38. But these new cores are more capable, so hopefully we'll see a similar jump in ray tracing performance as promised with the other Ampere cards.

What does the RTX 3060 mean for gaming? Given that Nvidia is pitching the RTX 3070 as the perfect companion for 1440p gaming, the RTX 3080 for 4K, and the RTX 3090 for 8K, it makes sense that the RTX 3060 will be aimed at maxing out 1080p gaming. With real-time ray tracing enabled.

So, when could we see the RTX 3060? If we look to the previous generation for inspiration, the RTX 2060 was released in January 2019, which followed the original 2080 and 2080 Ti releases in September 2018. If we assume the same kind of timeframes, that means we could be looking at the RTX 3060 landing in the new year.

Pricing is a little trickier, because we've had a number of different SKUs of the RTX 2060—the original was priced at $349, but the updated RTX 2060 TU104 version was rolled out at $300. If we had to guess at this point, and given the specs, we'd probably say that the $349 price point was more likely.



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Tom_Posted:

Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


cos ur broke, cant play halo on a 550 TI ;)

-Kilo

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.


I used the 3070 as an example so it is you who is "inept at reading".


3070 is not a 20 series GPU, why are you using that as an example??


>Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series.

Literally the first thing you said. I wouldn't really call the pricing on the 3000 series a "price hike". Like I said they are fairly cheap and basically double the performance of the 2000 series.


I said the pricing on the 20 series AND 30 series is a price hike from previous gens, i never said 30 series is more expensive than 20 series, it's the same pricing as 20 series cards, which is still overly priced for any GPU no matter the performance. Nvidia raised prices of their GPU's because their greedy and people should wait for AMD to lower prices let alone their will most likely be a mining spree again and let alone the limited stock. What's so hard to understand?


Of course its a price hike. Everything trends upwards and real time ray tracing is still a new tech. How do you expect Nvidia to recoup their growing r&d budget. 20 series hike was solely due to ray tracing. 30 price is back in line with were it should be. Idk how you expect them to make these cards as cheap as gpu's were 10 years ago. Everything costs more now to make than it did back then. The die are much larger. The resistors are smaller and more tightly packed together.

EightThotzPosted:

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.


I used the 3070 as an example so it is you who is "inept at reading".


3070 is not a 20 series GPU, why are you using that as an example??


>Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series.

Literally the first thing you said. I wouldn't really call the pricing on the 3000 series a "price hike". Like I said they are fairly cheap and basically double the performance of the 2000 series.


I said the pricing on the 20 series AND 30 series is a price hike from previous gens, i never said 30 series is more expensive than 20 series, it's the same pricing as 20 series cards, which is still overly priced for any GPU no matter the performance. Nvidia raised prices of their GPU's because their greedy and people should wait for AMD to lower prices let alone their will most likely be a mining spree again and let alone the limited stock. What's so hard to understand?

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.


I used the 3070 as an example so it is you who is "inept at reading".


3070 is not a 20 series GPU, why are you using that as an example??


>Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series.

Literally the first thing you said. I wouldn't really call the pricing on the 3000 series a "price hike". Like I said they are fairly cheap and basically double the performance of the 2000 series.

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.


I used the 3070 as an example so it is you who is "inept at reading".


3070 is not a 20 series GPU, why are you using that as an example??

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.


I used the 3070 as an example so it is you who is "inept at reading".

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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.


Are you inept at reading? When did I say the 3070 was a terrible performance gain? I said the 20series was a terrible performance gain from the 10-series. Not gonna bother repeating myself to you if you just reply with nonsense.

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EightThotz
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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


The price jump for 2000 series was because of the ray tracing. The new 3000 series is back to their slowly increasing price baseline. Still to act like the performance per dollar isn't good is a bit disingenuous. Of course the prices will go up over time. Nvidia are spending more and more on R&D each year and need to recoup their costs. Additionally you would expect a small increase with inflation year on year. The performance leap from 2000 to 3000 is still quite good even if from 1000 to 2000 wasn't, as they introduced a new technology. I think its highly unlikely that AMD will release anything that can touch the 3080 in terms of performance. Maybe their top of the line consumer card will aim at 3070. Either way their driver support sucks ass

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EightThotz
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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.


terrible performance gain? you're kidding right have you even seen the specs on the 3070 it's basically a $600 gpu that will outperform a TI sold at $1200. so tell me how is that a terrible performance gain? and you call yourself an nvidia user. k.

EightThotzPosted:

lolohnoeszsz
EightThotz
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Maze I'm super excited to see how low these prices are getting


They're not even low , what are you talking about?


$500 for a 2080ti replica and a little faster is extremely low. $350 for a 2080 super alternative model is really low.


That is not low, 20 series was a load of shit to begin with, just because the 20 series was garbage doesn't justify the same generational pricing. It's still an increase in pricing from all other generations nonetheless. Only an idiot would buy into one of these cards without waiting for AMD to bump down prices.
What? The 30xx cards are much lower in cost compared to any of the 20xx cards. The 2060/2070 are about $400-600 respectively and a 2080 and its ti variant run you 800+. So getting a 3070 which is way faster than the 2080 ti for $550 is pretty substantial and a 3060 that matches a 2080 but costs $400 less is even better.

Typical AMD fanboys seem to never post anything constructive and just like to cherry pick stuff Nvidia does how sad.


Please stop trying to justify ther price hike for the 20 series and 30 series. The trend for prices has always been lower till nvidia got greedy and wanted to form a monopoly in the market. Source?: Look at the 10-series, 900-series, 700 series, so on and on. Not sure why you keep trying to say the leap in performance is insane, it's good, as it should be, but it only makes up for the terrible performance gain moving from 10-20series, all in all the gain isn't as substantial as people make out. **70 cards used to sale for 350usd on launch, **60 cards used to sale for 230usd on launch. The fact you actually are trying to defend nvidia raising their prices is incredible, you're a consumer, not one of their marketing heads.

Ahh yes the classic "yOu mUsT bE a fAnBoY oF aMd". Talk about constructive arguments, is that all you can offer? I must be a terrible fanboy if I too am waiting to pick up an nvidia card, fortunately I also appreciate competition in the tech industry and whatever can save me the most money.