CoD Dev: David Vonderhaar talks Stopping power and Weapon balancing

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Recently, David Vonderhaar of Treyarch has been in conversation with Call of Duty fans regarding a fairly controversial topic: Stopping Power and its place as a perk in Call of Duty.

The Stopping Power was first introduced in Infinity Ward’s Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare as a perk giving players a way to increase their bullet damage. The inclusion of this perk carried over into Treyarch’s Call of Duty: World at War and then once again into IW’s Modern Warfare 2. Unfortunately, many players quickly found, even back in CoD4, that Stopping Power became such a staple perk, it rendered all other perks in that tier negligible. Many would argue that if one didn’t use Stopping Power, they were at a serious disadvantage compared to the majority that would be using it.



In listening to community feedback, the tradition was finally broken when Treyarch released last year’s Call of Duty: Black Ops, which did not include any sort of perk that added to bullet damage. Generally, this was received rather well among the community, although, it did give rise to the infamy of the Ghost perk, which Vonderhaar also recently spoke about. One fan recently commented, No one b****ed about the stealth perks from CoD4-6 since they had stopping power in the same tier. Giv’em stealth or power,” to which Vonderhaar replied, “they just b****ed about stopping power, instead.”

This year’s Modern Warfare 3 also didn’t see the inclusion of the Stopping Power perk, though developers did opt to raise the damage of all weapons as if they had this perk already built in. This made for very little survivability, especially with the added “proficiencies” which could increase different attributes of each weapon. Some would argue that this also unbalanced gunplay - another topic explored by Treyarch’s own David Vonderhaar, who had some bold things to say about Call of Duty’s weapon balance in general. Though many found Black Ops to include some of the best weapon balance in a Call of Duty game yet, many also remember the over-powered FAMAS and AK74U. One fan asked, “looking back, do you feel you did the right thing with the Famas/74u patches? Are you more open to rebalancing requests now?” Vonderhaar replied, “yes and yes.”




In a continuation of the weapon and perk balance discussion, Vonderhaar took to Twitter to talk to Call of Duty fans about Stopping Power and its future. It has recently become a slight trend to wish for the return of Stopping Power since many are now saying that it did, in fact, balance gameplay in Cod4 even though it may have made for fewer choices in that perk tier. Vonderhaar simply put it: “Stopping Power isn’t a viable solution. Solid mechanics with good tuning (and ability to real-world experiment with those tunables) is.” He added, “I am not making any assumptions. I am looking at the root cause and core tuning and so should you. Good talk, though.” It looks as though the next Call of Duty (Black Ops 2?) still might not see the return of Stopping Power, but should hopefully include some of the most balanced gunplay yet.

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Source: http://mp1st.com/2012/01/16/cod-dev-stopping-power-isnt-a-viable-solution-to-perk-and-weapon-balance/

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waaaaaatPosted:

-Spirit
oJASONNx have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry


Lol at you, the famas is still one of the most used weapons on Black ops-.-!


jason kinda has a point. the people who do give feedback on the internet are usually the dipshits who have no clue what they are talking about and all they do is whine and complain. the demographic is heavily one sided when treyarch gets their advice from one source. they should implement a system on the game itself that allows all users to vote on things and give their opinions, only then will we really know what the community wants.

-SpiritPosted:

oJASONNx have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry


Lol at you, the famas is still one of the most used weapons on Black ops-.-!

waaaaaatPosted:

make a cod with no perks and no killstreaks. then ill be happy :D until then, im not buying another one. ill just keep to cod4 promod, and cs.

skemdannyPosted:

stopping power and jugg perk just creates unbalanced gameplay FACT

cronic74Posted:

Stopping Power was by far the best perk because you would always want it but there was still other things to choose from like UAV Jammer on CoD4. It provided it's own balance, the only reason they took it out is because little scrubs didn't like the fact that everyone used it and it became mandatory.

It's all situation based whether or not to use Stopping Power or not.

XectricPosted:

Treyarch FTW

MPAAPosted:

Ant
Junkeh
I-want-gold-to-troll
Z61 You just gotta love Treyarch, they truly actually do seem to care about the community, unlike IW and just say they do for more money.

have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry


In no way is Black Ops "broken". No gun is "un usable" if you know how to use them right. I think the reason most didn't like Black Ops because it was a challenge. They can't sit in corners as easily with dogs and SR-71 up their butt, & also, spending so much time playing black ops, I haven't heard ANYONE say second chance is "fine" except the numb skulls that actually use it.


By 'guns', the majority is meaning to say Sniper rifles.


Or more accurately, quick scope rifles :)

AntPosted:

Junkeh
I-want-gold-to-troll
Z61 You just gotta love Treyarch, they truly actually do seem to care about the community, unlike IW and just say they do for more money.

have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry


In no way is Black Ops "broken". No gun is "un usable" if you know how to use them right. I think the reason most didn't like Black Ops because it was a challenge. They can't sit in corners as easily with dogs and SR-71 up their butt, & also, spending so much time playing black ops, I haven't heard ANYONE say second chance is "fine" except the numb skulls that actually use it.


By 'guns', the majority is meaning to say Sniper rifles.

algoPosted:

I-want-gold-to-troll
Z61 You just gotta love Treyarch, they truly actually do seem to care about the community, unlike IW and just say they do for more money.

have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry


In no way is Black Ops "broken". No gun is "un usable" if you know how to use them right. I think the reason most didn't like Black Ops because it was a challenge. They can't sit in corners as easily with dogs and SR-71 up their butt, & also, spending so much time playing black ops, I haven't heard ANYONE say second chance is "fine" except the numb skulls that actually use it.

-J-a-s-o-n-Posted:

have you noticed that when treyarch listens to the community, the game becomes broken, example on blackops they patched the famas and it became almost un usable, they never did anything about second chance because the community said it was fine, when they listen the game comes out fugly just saying.
now when infinity ward doesnt hear anything from the community the game keeps its balance just saying. but yes they are money hungry

Lol at you, the famas is still one of the most used weapons on Black ops-.-!


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