Is Call of Duty Better Without KDR? CoD Gameplay Designer Answers

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Treyarch Developer, David Vonderhaar, speaks with Call of Duty fans about what role statistics play in a first-person shooter.

“I don’t understand the argument [Call of Duty] is better without KDR,” Vonderhaar stated in response to a number of fans wishing for the abolishment of in-game stats, specifically the kill-to-death ratio. This can be a touchy subject for many FPS enthusiasts. Questions like, “does the k/d ratio truly measure ones skill?” are usually asked when it comes to this topic. Some arguments that you might see against the inclusion of a k/d ratio in any FPS is that it places too much importance on shooting down enemies when the objective of the game type might be something completely different like planting bombs or capturing flags. Of course, this topic is very subjective and can completely depend on how much importance you give to your stats. “If you freak out over your stats … that just makes you a freak. If you obsess over other peoples stats … that just makes you obsessive,” Vonderhaar jokingly yet truthfully stated. He also mentioned that “stats works both ways. You also need to measure if you are getting better.” Vonderhaar has recently been gathering a lot of feedback from the Call of Duty community, most likely in preparation for Treyarch’s title. Make sure to heck out Treyarch Dev: “Perks Are a Reason Why CoD Isn’t Natively Competitive”.

So far, Treyarch’s last title, Call of Duty: Black Ops, did an exceptional job of including objective-based stats on the in-game leaderboards on top of your k/d ratio, something that Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare 3 has yet to implement, though it was recently hinted at.

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Source: http://mp1st.com/2012/01/22/is-call-of-duty-better-without-kdr-cod-gameplay-designer-answers/

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MilestonePosted:

MEXxTROJANS
System32
Jorge28
BlueMountainState
austion2716
-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Ill 13th it

ill 14th it

MEXxTROJANSPosted:

System32
Jorge28
BlueMountainState
austion2716
-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Ill 13th it

System32Posted:

Jorge28
BlueMountainState
austion2716
-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Jorge28Posted:

BlueMountainState
austion2716
-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL

VEVOPosted:

If there was no K/D you would have to keep track of all your deaths and kills. If you don't know how many than why would you rage? In my opinion they just need to make separate game modes. One for "ranked" matches and one for "fun" matches. If you want to play like competitive then you can go to the ranked matches but if you just want to play with friends for fun and practice you go to the fun matches. Plenty of other games do this already and it helps a lot with the raging.

BlueMountainStatePosted:

austion2716
-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that

austion2716Posted:

-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that

KnucklesTheEchidnaPosted:

-Kreayshawn
CR3D1TorC4SH
iToXiC
Zaragoza
Sweetie_Belle
CyanogenMod7
oLogicUndead
o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that


Dieing is still dieing, it makes you angry when you know you have less kills then deaths, unless you knew from the start of the game that you wanted to try and just get the objective done.

K/D or no K/D the game will be the same.

TTG-FlashingPosted:

when people see that they have a bad K/D that drives them to dashboard.

The5ave1Posted:

I dont really care about K:D Ratio. Actually, I think they should take it off.

I play Kill Confirmed alot and the objective of the game type is to get dog tags as many as you can get. I would get 20 kills and 25 deaths but still get on average 3000 points on the leader boards of the game.

Now when I want to get kills, I would get 30 kills and 15 deaths I would get a less score. Even when I pick up dog tags.

This is why I want K:D Ratio deleted on ALL CoD games. It doesn't tell you if your good or not, like FaZe Temprrr could have a 0.87 K:D Ratio but his skill is to snipe. Get my point?