That is the worst critique of the bible I have ever heard.

They had paper 10,000 years ago, Look up dead seas scrolls if you think they were written on stone tablets

Miracles: Of course snakes can't talk or virgins become pregnant, thats how you recognize a miracle. You need to base whether or not the miracle happened on EVIDENCE. You can't discount them because they dont normally happen.

Edit: I think i just realized this post was a joke. I've never met a single person who thinks the christmas story is being changed by the government lol

PseudoScience wrote

Jinx wrote The stories could have been transmitted orally down the generations.
Obviously they would be changed somewhat but the origins would still be there.

On the other hand, you are essentially describing the Wellhausen theory.
Which states that there was no way of writing during the times of Abraham and Moses.
However, this theory has come to be rejected in recent times due to the existence of Abraham's origin city, 'Ur'.
A city renowned for it's rich literary culture.

Also, Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391-1271 BC which means that we are not looking at 6000 year old writings.
Also, it is agreed by archaeologists that independent writing without symbols was invented in Mesopotamia in around 3200 BC.

This puts Moses well within the time frame of understandable, preservable writing.

Moses was educated in the house of the Pharoah, so he would have been literate in many of the cultures surrounding Egypt during that day.

Many descriptions in Job suggest that clay was a popular writing material.
Iron stylus' would be used on soft lead also in order to preserve the words of the writer.

There were many ways in which writers could record their findings and have them preserved.

This is how we know about people such as Thales who used similar methods to write his philosophical teachings.

You can tell this guy got his degree with ease.
He was on this post for 5 minutes before submitting this.

On topic: These are very uneducated reasons as to why the Bible is fake, like the person above me said.

I guarantee you've never even picked up a Bible other than when you've had to for RE class.

Only a Degree? When's he doing his PhD?

Lol, brilliant post Jinx.
You should address the evolutionary argument he's proposing though.

Would be great to see your reply.

Misanthrope wrote

PseudoScience wrote

Jinx wrote The stories could have been transmitted orally down the generations.
Obviously they would be changed somewhat but the origins would still be there.

On the other hand, you are essentially describing the Wellhausen theory.
Which states that there was no way of writing during the times of Abraham and Moses.
However, this theory has come to be rejected in recent times due to the existence of Abraham's origin city, 'Ur'.
A city renowned for it's rich literary culture.

Also, Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391-1271 BC which means that we are not looking at 6000 year old writings.
Also, it is agreed by archaeologists that independent writing without symbols was invented in Mesopotamia in around 3200 BC.

This puts Moses well within the time frame of understandable, preservable writing.

Moses was educated in the house of the Pharoah, so he would have been literate in many of the cultures surrounding Egypt during that day.

Many descriptions in Job suggest that clay was a popular writing material.
Iron stylus' would be used on soft lead also in order to preserve the words of the writer.

There were many ways in which writers could record their findings and have them preserved.

This is how we know about people such as Thales who used similar methods to write his philosophical teachings.

You can tell this guy got his degree with ease.
He was on this post for 5 minutes before submitting this.

On topic: These are very uneducated reasons as to why the Bible is fake, like the person above me said.

I guarantee you've never even picked up a Bible other than when you've had to for RE class.

Only a Degree? When's he doing his PhD?

Lol, brilliant post Jinx.
You should address the evolutionary argument he's proposing though.

Would be great to see your reply.

I would rather not spend time on it considering this post will be closed without a doubt.

Thank you for your kind words and check my 'Interests' on my profile.

Great guess

Humans has allways wanted to know why and how we are on this earth. Religon is the lazy way of trying to figure it out

Proving whether something is true or not is called apologetics. This word is derived from the Greek word apologia, which means to defend. The entire Clarifying Christianity site is filled with apologeticsproofs and explanations for many Christian-related issues. The focus of this page is the proof supporting the accuracy of the Bible. After all, if the Bible is not true or if it is filled with errors, Christianity would only be a blind faithsomething people believe without any evidence to support it.

However, Christianity is not a blind faith. It is the only religion that can prove itself, and a main source of that proof is the Bible. Although it is becoming less common, there are still people who tell others that they follow Christianity because it feels right (or use wording like that). This is unfortunate, since there is a lot of evidence supporting Christianity

Pool wrote

Seggzy wrote This is not a post to try and make you to become athiest. This is just a little bit of proof that the Bible wasn't made 6,000 years ago. My guess is the government is making most of this stuff up.

The bible was created 6,000 years ago. 6,000 years ago never had paper and pencils, so the people who made the "bible" used stencils to write on stone tablets. How could a 2 cm "canal system" in stones stay fresh and readable for 6000 years. Especially since they found these tablets in a cave that hasn't been used in thousands of years. There is no possible way a stone tablet can survive all those years without de-facing and making them unreadable.

Also, half of the stories in the bible are impossible. A snake can't talk, people can't become pregnant based off the fact that they are virgins, and the whole story of Adam and Eve is fake. There is no possible way Adam and Eve were the first human beings. It was proven man and women came from evolution. We all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas, and cavemen.

One last thing is that the bible changes. Every year around christmas, you really hear a change. I hear a completely different scenario each year. One year, the birth of jesus was in a manger, the next year jesus is born near a church. The bible is forever changing. Who could be changing the bible? The government?

Shut up.. Just no. This isn't a conspiracy, it's basically a rant. If we are all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas and cavemen, then why are there still chimps, monkeys and gorillas? & How was it proven? Do you have proof that it was proven? Oh wait, it's the internet so it must be real.. SMH. People like you disgust me, thinking you have the free will to come on a forum to bash someone's beliefs and morals.

"Seems you have build yourself an impenetrable igloo of ignorance." - SovietGnome

When you complete your education, you'll understand. Or listen for that matter.

Above all, lrn2bioligy

SovietGnome wrote

Pool wrote

Seggzy wrote This is not a post to try and make you to become athiest. This is just a little bit of proof that the Bible wasn't made 6,000 years ago. My guess is the government is making most of this stuff up.

The bible was created 6,000 years ago. 6,000 years ago never had paper and pencils, so the people who made the "bible" used stencils to write on stone tablets. How could a 2 cm "canal system" in stones stay fresh and readable for 6000 years. Especially since they found these tablets in a cave that hasn't been used in thousands of years. There is no possible way a stone tablet can survive all those years without de-facing and making them unreadable.

Also, half of the stories in the bible are impossible. A snake can't talk, people can't become pregnant based off the fact that they are virgins, and the whole story of Adam and Eve is fake. There is no possible way Adam and Eve were the first human beings. It was proven man and women came from evolution. We all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas, and cavemen.

One last thing is that the bible changes. Every year around christmas, you really hear a change. I hear a completely different scenario each year. One year, the birth of jesus was in a manger, the next year jesus is born near a church. The bible is forever changing. Who could be changing the bible? The government?

Shut up.. Just no. This isn't a conspiracy, it's basically a rant. If we are all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas and cavemen, then why are there still chimps, monkeys and gorillas? & How was it proven? Do you have proof that it was proven? Oh wait, it's the internet so it must be real.. SMH. People like you disgust me, thinking you have the free will to come on a forum to bash someone's beliefs and morals.

"Seems you have build yourself an impenetrable igloo of ignorance." - SovietGnome

When you complete your education, you'll understand. Or listen for that matter.

Above all, lrn2bioligy

When I complete my education? I've graduated high school, I'm a freshman in college.

How is it ignorance? It's what I believe, so does that automatically mean it's ignorance?

What I'm going to college for has nothing to do with Religion or anything whatsoever also.

Pool wrote

SovietGnome wrote

Pool wrote

Seggzy wrote This is not a post to try and make you to become athiest. This is just a little bit of proof that the Bible wasn't made 6,000 years ago. My guess is the government is making most of this stuff up.

The bible was created 6,000 years ago. 6,000 years ago never had paper and pencils, so the people who made the "bible" used stencils to write on stone tablets. How could a 2 cm "canal system" in stones stay fresh and readable for 6000 years. Especially since they found these tablets in a cave that hasn't been used in thousands of years. There is no possible way a stone tablet can survive all those years without de-facing and making them unreadable.

Also, half of the stories in the bible are impossible. A snake can't talk, people can't become pregnant based off the fact that they are virgins, and the whole story of Adam and Eve is fake. There is no possible way Adam and Eve were the first human beings. It was proven man and women came from evolution. We all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas, and cavemen.

One last thing is that the bible changes. Every year around christmas, you really hear a change. I hear a completely different scenario each year. One year, the birth of jesus was in a manger, the next year jesus is born near a church. The bible is forever changing. Who could be changing the bible? The government?

Shut up.. Just no. This isn't a conspiracy, it's basically a rant. If we are all evolved from chimps, monkeys, gorillas and cavemen, then why are there still chimps, monkeys and gorillas? & How was it proven? Do you have proof that it was proven? Oh wait, it's the internet so it must be real.. SMH. People like you disgust me, thinking you have the free will to come on a forum to bash someone's beliefs and morals.

"Seems you have build yourself an impenetrable igloo of ignorance." - SovietGnome

When you complete your education, you'll understand. Or listen for that matter.

Above all, lrn2bioligy

When I complete my education? I've graduated high school, I'm a freshman in college.

How is it ignorance? It's what I believe, so does that automatically mean it's ignorance?

Although I would rather not get involved with the evolutionary side of this, the theory does explain why there are still these things in a lot of detail. Here's my explanation of it which I submitted on another post:

Evolution is not a straight line.
It's a tree which grows and retracts depending on environment and whether an animal is well suited to that environment.
I saw a video which once said asking this question is like asking if America was colonized by the English, why is there still England?

Your origins don't just disappear because one branch of that species has moved on.

ive seen the dead sea scrolls, 2000 years old on paper and every word you can read. They found out that salt preserves

i just think that the bible is a bunch of story's ( which it logically is ) but it gives people something to believe in, i am not trying to offend or upset anyone, but what if instead of 'God being in all of us' 'God is all of us' so we are the creator of all things, apart from earth and a heck load of the other things in the universe, but if you think logically here you can see how we did invent everything.

also evolving from apes is where we natrually came from, Gorrillas, monkeys etc. well for a start we had more intelegence than other primates, so i guess we didn't need the protection from the hair etc. so our body's adapted to the situation.

i think we lived in particular places which we had to constantly change our body's to cope with the natural habitats that the earth provided.

i'm not saying that any of the holy books are wrong but if you look today and in the past science has caused us to become more advanced, and the holy books have just caused wars and a lot of othr horrible situations.

this is just my personnal beliefs, anyone can hate if they wan't....