[quote="Celts
Load of shite. Scotland don't have to get a currency of their own as it goes down to a parliamentary vote. No, one, individual can make that decision.

Scotland will struggle to get into the EU? Do you not care to expand on the statement? What will make it difficult? I see no reason for Scotland to get into the EU. David Cameron wants to leave the EU so for a Scottish citizen it would make little difference as the union could easily leave the EU anyway.

Also I don't believe that alot of businesses would leave Scotland. The fact that alot of businesses do locate in Scotland is because of the fact that Scotland is more affordable than the likes of English locations and because the Scottish Government would give grants to these businesses to set up factories etc in Scotland.

Here's a wee fact for you; did you know that Scotland's creates a higher GDP per capita than Wales, England and Northern Ireland? Did you know that Scotland has seen an increase in GDP growth and it's GDP per capita? Did you also know that Scotland's unemployment rate has decreased? Scotland has many things to keep the economy healthy. There is the obvious one which is oil. There is Scotland's banking industry which is fairly large and accounts for a large amount of our GDP. We then have a very strong investment industry. It is in fact one of the world's leading for fund management. Finally you have Scotland's huge tourist industry. We are attract people from all round. Tourism has given around. 200,000 jobs to people in Scotland and it accounts for 3% of Scotland's economic output.

Fear is the real enemy to independence. Some people will sit and complain about the fact that they are unsure about this and that. To these people I say 'get off your arse and seek out answers'. Read the white paper first of all and then start looking into any further questions.[/quote]

Ohdear..,You do get defensive don't you ,Touch a nerve did i ? lol.
What happens when you loose the vote ?.
will you accept defeat by your own countrymen or will you try and blame the English ?.
At the end of the day it's all down to you and your own people ,I for one wish you luck because you are going to need it.

GTO wrote [quote="Celts]
Load of shite. Scotland don't have to get a currency of their own as it goes down to a parliamentary vote. No, one, individual can make that decision.

Scotland will struggle to get into the EU? Do you not care to expand on the statement? What will make it difficult? I see no reason for Scotland to get into the EU. David Cameron wants to leave the EU so for a Scottish citizen it would make little difference as the union could easily leave the EU anyway.

Also I don't believe that alot of businesses would leave Scotland. The fact that alot of businesses do locate in Scotland is because of the fact that Scotland is more affordable than the likes of English locations and because the Scottish Government would give grants to these businesses to set up factories etc in Scotland.

Here's a wee fact for you; did you know that Scotland's creates a higher GDP per capita than Wales, England and Northern Ireland? Did you know that Scotland has seen an increase in GDP growth and it's GDP per capita? Did you also know that Scotland's unemployment rate has decreased? Scotland has many things to keep the economy healthy. There is the obvious one which is oil. There is Scotland's banking industry which is fairly large and accounts for a large amount of our GDP. We then have a very strong investment industry. It is in fact one of the world's leading for fund management. Finally you have Scotland's huge tourist industry. We are attract people from all round. Tourism has given around. 200,000 jobs to people in Scotland and it accounts for 3% of Scotland's economic output.

Fear is the real enemy to independence. Some people will sit and complain about the fact that they are unsure about this and that. To these people I say 'get off your arse and seek out answers'. Read the white paper first of all and then start looking into any further questions.

Ohdear..,You do get defensive don't you ,Touch a nerve did i ? lol.
What happens when you loose the vote ?.
will you accept defeat by your own countrymen or will you try and blame the English ?.
At the end of the day it's all down to you and your own people ,I for one wish you luck because you are going to need it.[/quote]

I take that response as a victory in this debate. There is nothing wrong with an extended response. It ahows that I can decently argue a point without any of this 'lol' shite. We will not need luck as we are perfectly equipped to run as a country. What happens if we lose the vote is irrelevant to the argument at hand. We are debating about Scotland's ability to cope as an independent country. You have just wasted minutes of your life spouting out complete rubbish. If the vote is lost then this shite that we are in right now continues. I conclude this debate as a thrashing. If I were you, I would refrain from any futile attempt at trying to give any sort of credible reply because you will only make yourself look like even more of an arse.

Ohdear ,You seem to lack the ability to hold a conversation without using petty insults.
It's you sir who looks foolish.

Again i wish the Scottish people well ,But then thats easy for me to do as i am not bitter.

GTO wrote Ohdear ,You seem to lack the ability to hold a conversation without using petty insults.
It's you sir who looks foolish.

Again i wish the Scottish people well ,But then thats easy for me to do as i am not bitter.

I'm not using petty insults. I am just telling the truth. I really do wonder why you bothered to come on to this thread when you had nothing of any significance to say.

It's funny because Scotland will fail and here's why:
No one will want to trade with such a small country with little to no real trade.

And if you did get independence if you started to be little sh*ts and try to start a civil war (which is likely with the Scottish attitude) England will destroy you.

I want Scotland to be independent just so I can watch it fail.

Celts wrote

GTO wrote

Celts wrote
Load of shite. Scotland don't have to get a currency of their own as it goes down to a parliamentary vote. No, one, individual can make that decision.

Scotland will struggle to get into the EU? Do you not care to expand on the statement? What will make it difficult? I see no reason for Scotland to get into the EU. David Cameron wants to leave the EU so for a Scottish citizen it would make little difference as the union could easily leave the EU anyway.

Also I don't believe that alot of businesses would leave Scotland. The fact that alot of businesses do locate in Scotland is because of the fact that Scotland is more affordable than the likes of English locations and because the Scottish Government would give grants to these businesses to set up factories etc in Scotland.

Here's a wee fact for you; did you know that Scotland's creates a higher GDP per capita than Wales, England and Northern Ireland? Did you know that Scotland has seen an increase in GDP growth and it's GDP per capita? Did you also know that Scotland's unemployment rate has decreased? Scotland has many things to keep the economy healthy. There is the obvious one which is oil. There is Scotland's banking industry which is fairly large and accounts for a large amount of our GDP. We then have a very strong investment industry. It is in fact one of the world's leading for fund management. Finally you have Scotland's huge tourist industry. We are attract people from all round. Tourism has given around. 200,000 jobs to people in Scotland and it accounts for 3% of Scotland's economic output.

Fear is the real enemy to independence. Some people will sit and complain about the fact that they are unsure about this and that. To these people I say 'get off your arse and seek out answers'. Read the white paper first of all and then start looking into any further questions.

Ohdear..,You do get defensive don't you ,Touch a nerve did i ? lol.
What happens when you loose the vote ?.
will you accept defeat by your own countrymen or will you try and blame the English ?.
At the end of the day it's all down to you and your own people ,I for one wish you luck because you are going to need it.

I take that response as a victory in this debate. There is nothing wrong with an extended response. It ahows that I can decently argue a point without any of this 'lol' shite. We will not need luck as we are perfectly equipped to run as a country. What happens if we lose the vote is irrelevant to the argument at hand. We are debating about Scotland's ability to cope as an independent country. You have just wasted minutes of your life spouting out complete rubbish. If the vote is lost then this shite that we are in right now continues. I conclude this debate as a thrashing. If I were you, I would refrain from any futile attempt at trying to give any sort of credible reply because you will only make yourself look like even more of an arse.

While I dislike how you're conducting this 'debate' I am inclined to agree with Celts.
Although I am not an economist, I doubt any of us are, there are many who have said that Scotland could keep the pound and perhaps switch to the Euro when it is more stable.
Even then though, it is down to the Bank of England to determine whether Scotland would be allowed to keep the pound as a currency while independent.
However, Ireland did keep the pound for 7 years after it gained independence, so I see little reason why the same couldn't occur here.

When it comes to the debt, from what I can tell, 40.6 Billion GBP is the estimated debt that Scotland would inherit.
With Scotland's GDP, this would be quite manageable.
However, that estimate could change by quite a large margin based on political negotiations after independence was gained.

Overall, I am still undecided on this, and there is quite obviously no clear cut answer on whether Scotland could manage itself effectively.
I'm not saying that to be condescending, or to make it seem like England is a better country and that Scotland needs us [I'm originally from Northern Ireland] but the debate surrounding this topic wouldn't be this fierce if there was a simple answer.

Lecter wrote

Celts wrote

GTO wrote

Celts wrote
Load of shite. Scotland don't have to get a currency of their own as it goes down to a parliamentary vote. No, one, individual can make that decision.

Scotland will struggle to get into the EU? Do you not care to expand on the statement? What will make it difficult? I see no reason for Scotland to get into the EU. David Cameron wants to leave the EU so for a Scottish citizen it would make little difference as the union could easily leave the EU anyway.

Also I don't believe that alot of businesses would leave Scotland. The fact that alot of businesses do locate in Scotland is because of the fact that Scotland is more affordable than the likes of English locations and because the Scottish Government would give grants to these businesses to set up factories etc in Scotland.

Here's a wee fact for you; did you know that Scotland's creates a higher GDP per capita than Wales, England and Northern Ireland? Did you know that Scotland has seen an increase in GDP growth and it's GDP per capita? Did you also know that Scotland's unemployment rate has decreased? Scotland has many things to keep the economy healthy. There is the obvious one which is oil. There is Scotland's banking industry which is fairly large and accounts for a large amount of our GDP. We then have a very strong investment industry. It is in fact one of the world's leading for fund management. Finally you have Scotland's huge tourist industry. We are attract people from all round. Tourism has given around. 200,000 jobs to people in Scotland and it accounts for 3% of Scotland's economic output.

Fear is the real enemy to independence. Some people will sit and complain about the fact that they are unsure about this and that. To these people I say 'get off your arse and seek out answers'. Read the white paper first of all and then start looking into any further questions.

Ohdear..,You do get defensive don't you ,Touch a nerve did i ? lol.
What happens when you loose the vote ?.
will you accept defeat by your own countrymen or will you try and blame the English ?.
At the end of the day it's all down to you and your own people ,I for one wish you luck because you are going to need it.

I take that response as a victory in this debate. There is nothing wrong with an extended response. It ahows that I can decently argue a point without any of this 'lol' shite. We will not need luck as we are perfectly equipped to run as a country. What happens if we lose the vote is irrelevant to the argument at hand. We are debating about Scotland's ability to cope as an independent country. You have just wasted minutes of your life spouting out complete rubbish. If the vote is lost then this shite that we are in right now continues. I conclude this debate as a thrashing. If I were you, I would refrain from any futile attempt at trying to give any sort of credible reply because you will only make yourself look like even more of an arse.

While I dislike how you're conducting this 'debate' I am inclined to agree with Celts.
Although I am not an economist, I doubt any of us are, there are many who have said that Scotland could keep the pound and perhaps switch to the Euro when it is more stable.
Even then though, it is down to the Bank of England to determine whether Scotland would be allowed to keep the pound as a currency while independent.
However, Ireland did keep the pound for 7 years after it gained independence, so I see little reason why the same couldn't occur here.

When it comes to the debt, from what I can tell, 40.6 Billion GBP is the estimated debt that Scotland would inherit.
With Scotland's GDP, this would be quite manageable.
However, that estimate could change by quite a large margin based on political negotiations after independence was gained.

Overall, I am still undecided on this, and there is quite obviously no clear cut answer on whether Scotland could manage itself effectively.
I'm not saying that to be condescending, or to make it seem like England is a better country and that Scotland needs us [I'm originally from Northern Ireland] but the debate surrounding this topic wouldn't be this fierce if there was a simple answer.

Finally we have somebody with some process of thought! At least you can give reasons for your views.

steffess92 wrote

Celts wrote
There's many reasons. To have full power over our own country instead of relying on utter wanks like David Cameron to call the shots. To be recognised as what we truly are instead of being part of some union which makes sure that England has the power. There is also more on top of these.

LOL you legend, couldn't have said it better myself.

My reason for voting independence is pretty much what he said. Nothing against England, just don't think they should be calling the shots; and I do think David Cameron is an utter ****. lol

And to the OP - Your little mates want independence because they watched Braveheart that does NOT apply to your "entire nation" LMAO that is ridiculous.

It's not just David Cameron that is calling the shots..

Int wrote

steffess92 wrote

Celts wrote
There's many reasons. To have full power over our own country instead of relying on utter wanks like David Cameron to call the shots. To be recognised as what we truly are instead of being part of some union which makes sure that England has the power. There is also more on top of these.

LOL you legend, couldn't have said it better myself.

My reason for voting independence is pretty much what he said. Nothing against England, just don't think they should be calling the shots; and I do think David Cameron is an utter ****. lol

And to the OP - Your little mates want independence because they watched Braveheart that does NOT apply to your "entire nation" LMAO that is ridiculous.

It's not just David Cameron that is calling the shots..

He's the Prime Minister. He does call the shots.

Celts wrote

Int wrote

steffess92 wrote

Celts wrote
There's many reasons. To have full power over our own country instead of relying on utter wanks like David Cameron to call the shots. To be recognised as what we truly are instead of being part of some union which makes sure that England has the power. There is also more on top of these.

LOL you legend, couldn't have said it better myself.

My reason for voting independence is pretty much what he said. Nothing against England, just don't think they should be calling the shots; and I do think David Cameron is an utter ****. lol

And to the OP - Your little mates want independence because they watched Braveheart that does NOT apply to your "entire nation" LMAO that is ridiculous.

It's not just David Cameron that is calling the shots..

He's the Prime Minister. He does call the shots.

Do you understand politics, he's the face of the party, he is not the decision maker. They have think tanks and civil servants around the clock running the country, he is the puppet boy for his party. He gets the ridicule