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Motioncorey wrote I don't support them. Why? You don't NEED them. They are a want. Guns have killed more people than animals.

For self defense you don't need a gun.

Any kind of firearms or bombs are pointless in my opinion.


Want them for hunting? You don't need a fully automatic Assault Rifle to kill an animal.

They teach Mixed Martial Arts for a reason. Weapons are for "wimps" anyways and self defense by hand on hand combat is safer anyway.

I'd like to see you say this when either someone robs you at gunpoint, or the government takes over by force, like Nazi Germany did. Let's see if you still don't support guns.

Martial Arts can teach you self defense, and weapon disarmament but in most cases involving guns its not going to help. "weapons are for wimps anyways" - Your hand is considered a weapon, "self defense by hand on hand combat is safer anyway." a criminal is Not going to fight you hand to hand either.

And If i do believe it is illegal to hunt with a Full-Automatic Assualt Rifle. I know you can hunt with a Semi-Automatic.

-"Guns have killed more people than animals." This is one of the most ignorant statements, and instead of arguing with it Ill just say this
-"Alcohol kills more people that most weapons"
-"Cars kill more than 30,000+ People a year"
-"Food causes more deaths than guns"
Theres more of these but heres and even more shocking one
-"Tobacco kills more than 480,000 People in the U.S alone every year"(including those who have never touched it before"
-Tobacco kills more people than animals ;)

But I guess maybe we should get rid of Alcohol, Cars, Food, Tobacco, ETC...

LEGAL prescription drugs have just passed tobacco in most deaths caused this year in the US as well. Don't see anyone being against those really.

While I think that guns shouldn't be banned, you guys are on a very slippery slope with this argument.
The difference between guns and all of the things you've listed are guns are made with the intention of being weapons.
Prescription medication, food, cars, tobacco, etc. all aren't made with that intention, deaths because of them are side effects of their primary purpose.

You can't argue that someone being killed by a gun is a side effect of it's primary purpose.

We're not arguing, just stating things.

And that is very true, but guns aren't specifically made to kill people. They're made to protect you from bad people. It also strengthens your mind. No one goes out and legally buys a gun and thinks; "hey. Ima go shoot someone". No. People buy it to keeo in their house just in case anyone ever tries to rob, kill, or anything like that to them in their house.

Just think about what someone else said earlier in this post.

"If guns weren't around, we wouldn't be free right now."

Something like that.

When I say argument I don't mean it in the sense of two people shouting at one another, I mean a point or a line of thought.
and yes, they protect you by harming other people. Also, the purpose of a gun really depends on who buys it. A criminal would buy it to harm someone, a hunter to hunt, and so on.
What remains through all of these purposes is that they all damage things.
The all-encompassing purpose of a gun is to damage something.

None of the things you or DICE listed have that as their primary purpose.

Also, I don't know if I would go so far as to say that guns = freedom.

Actually I have to completely disagree with you, The items I listed all have many different reasons they where made, All of them share a purpose (1 of many) to actually cause harm to things. Just like Guns. Not all guns are designed to damage things. The original purpose of Guns was to be able to propel a projectile at high velocity over long distances. It was never meant to be a device meant for killing but instead a tool, but when Cultures realized its capability of causing damage to the human body it developed a new purpose. Same with Cars, Many original "Transport Vehilces" where designed to Kill or damage something. Alcohol was originall developed for pleasure but over time has been utilized to kill bacteria and or Other forms of life. Same with everything else I listed, They all have a purpose and one of those many purposes is to kill, i can assure you once humans realized what damage these products could cause they immediately went to weaponize them. But My guns purpose is to protect me at all times.

The earliest use of firearms was by the Chinese military, and I stress military, they were used in war, so I strongly disagree when you say that they were first developed just to fire projectiles over long distances.
Also, I realize that all of the other things you listed can kill people, but people don't buy them to harm others with.
People buy alcohol because they want a drink or to get drunk, people buy cigarettes because they either need to or want to relieve stress, people get prescription drugs because they think it's going to make them better, people buy cars to get from a to b, people buy food because people need to eat.

People buy guns to damage things which is why I think they aren't comparable to everything else you've listed in terms of causing deaths because death is the primary use of a gun.
Yes you can use a gun to protect yourself, but by using the gun you are exercising its purpose.

Once again, I'm all for the sale of guns in America, I just don't like the line of reasoning to back it up that you're using. I think there are far better arguments out there which don't exist on such a slippery slope.

I don't care if you own a gun or not. My only concern is who has a hold of that gun. Guns do hurt people but people pulling the trigger is the only reason they kill people. If I left a gun on my desk pointed at something it would most certainly not fire a shot.

hmm I wonder if the people that are against guns would rather see people getting slaughtered by bows,cross bows,spears or even stoned to death..
not sure what they'd prefer although To be honest i'd rather get shot then bleed out from an arrow to the chest..

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I'm sorry, what is the relevance of black people of the 1960's and furthermore the tangent of equality you are trying to sway in this debate against people with fire arms as oppose to black people and discrimination? Did I miss something or did you seriously just go off-topic with a whole other rant?

Where I am concerned with guns is not so much want/right but more so fact without the propaganda. I think this whole gun law came into effect when ignorant adolescent children think/thought it is okay to grab their parent's firearms and take them to school and unload on whomever.

I believe people should have the right to carry/bear (Disclosed of course) but parents should not be allowed to have a firearm with children in the house. I think that is the main focus of all of this drama brought on by the media, than everyone throwing in their two cents on a website dedicated to technology and video games assuming they know politics.

The comparison is relevant to this discussion because both are about rights and liberties, and infringement upon said liberties and the "necessity" argument.

People should stop being pissed off about guns somebody has to pull the trigger

even if guns are removed, criminals will still get there hands on guns. so it would be better to let the US citizens have weapons to protect them selves!

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Gun control works just look at these (just kidding). We are going to have to ban hospitals since they kill a lot more then guns, oh well.

Its not about banning guns, america just need to have better laws for them (like the UK).

With regards to people saying "I have a gun to protect myself and my country" thats why you have the millitary, I can assure you if a capable army managed to invade the US you would not last long with out them. From my point of view the people who are "pro guns" seem to be VERY paranoid about an "uprising"? Who is going to rise up?

tl;dr Guns are fine, US just needs better laws.

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Hilton wrote Its not about banning guns, america just need to have better laws for them (like the UK).

With regards to people saying "I have a gun to protect myself and my country" thats why you have the millitary, I can assure you if a capable army managed to invade the US you would not last long with out them. From my point of view the people who are "pro guns" seem to be VERY paranoid about an "uprising"? Who is going to rise up?

tl;dr Guns are fine, US just needs better laws.

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But you miss the whole point. The point of the 2A is to protect you from a tyrannical government. What good is a military going to do protecting YOU from the people who are in charge? It gives the people the right to bear arms so if needed they can form a militia, and a militia is not the National Guard. A militia is not a state sponsored agency. Also, the UK is far from having good gun laws. The US has ok gun laws. The laws ARE NOT the problem. Gang violence is the problem. Mass shootings make up such a small percentage they are irrelevant. Gang violence is the leading cause of gun violence. Socioeconomic factors play into being the cause of that, but that is not a cop-out for the people in those situations. A study in Philadelphia found that homicide victims had an average of 3.7 arrests prior to their murder. In Indianapolis, it was found that 53% of gun homicides were drug related. The problem seems to be criminals doing what they do best. 67% of homicide suspects have felony arrests meaning they cannot own a firearm. Meaning they get them from private sales. Background checks are impossible to enforce and nobody would be willing to comply since you are charged extra to do it. Stop blaming guns and the laws when it is criminals who are the cause of the gun violence. Most of them are inner city youth who had a chance at education, and chose a life of crime. There are kids in these same neighborhoods going to Ivy League schools. That means growing up in the ghetto is no excuse. It is the sole desire of many people to live these lifestyles. Especially when drug dealing/hitting licks is seen as easy money, that doesn't require you to work a 9-5.

Not trying to flame anybody so don't take this the wrong way, just trying to get a point across.