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Motioncorey wrote I don't support them. Why? You don't NEED them. They are a want. Guns have killed more people than animals.

For self defense you don't need a gun.

Any kind of firearms or bombs are pointless in my opinion.


Want them for hunting? You don't need a fully automatic Assault Rifle to kill an animal.

They teach Mixed Martial Arts for a reason. Weapons are for "wimps" anyways and self defense by hand on hand combat is safer anyway.

I'd like to see you say this when either someone robs you at gunpoint, or the government takes over by force, like Nazi Germany did. Let's see if you still don't support guns.

Martial Arts can teach you self defense, and weapon disarmament but in most cases involving guns its not going to help. "weapons are for wimps anyways" - Your hand is considered a weapon, "self defense by hand on hand combat is safer anyway." a criminal is Not going to fight you hand to hand either.

And If i do believe it is illegal to hunt with a Full-Automatic Assualt Rifle. I know you can hunt with a Semi-Automatic.

-"Guns have killed more people than animals." This is one of the most ignorant statements, and instead of arguing with it Ill just say this
-"Alcohol kills more people that most weapons"
-"Cars kill more than 30,000+ People a year"
-"Food causes more deaths than guns"
Theres more of these but heres and even more shocking one
-"Tobacco kills more than 480,000 People in the U.S alone every year"(including those who have never touched it before"
-Tobacco kills more people than animals ;)

But I guess maybe we should get rid of Alcohol, Cars, Food, Tobacco, ETC...

LEGAL prescription drugs have just passed tobacco in most deaths caused this year in the US as well. Don't see anyone being against those really.

While I think that guns shouldn't be banned, you guys are on a very slippery slope with this argument.
The difference between guns and all of the things you've listed are guns are made with the intention of being weapons.
Prescription medication, food, cars, tobacco, etc. all aren't made with that intention, deaths because of them are side effects of their primary purpose.

You can't argue that someone being killed by a gun is a side effect of it's primary purpose.

We're not arguing, just stating things.

And that is very true, but guns aren't specifically made to kill people. They're made to protect you from bad people. It also strengthens your mind. No one goes out and legally buys a gun and thinks; "hey. Ima go shoot someone". No. People buy it to keeo in their house just in case anyone ever tries to rob, kill, or anything like that to them in their house.

Just think about what someone else said earlier in this post.

"If guns weren't around, we wouldn't be free right now."

Something like that.

When I say argument I don't mean it in the sense of two people shouting at one another, I mean a point or a line of thought.
and yes, they protect you by harming other people. Also, the purpose of a gun really depends on who buys it. A criminal would buy it to harm someone, a hunter to hunt, and so on.
What remains through all of these purposes is that they all damage things.
The all-encompassing purpose of a gun is to damage something.

None of the things you or DICE listed have that as their primary purpose.

Also, I don't know if I would go so far as to say that guns = freedom.

Actually I have to completely disagree with you, The items I listed all have many different reasons they where made, All of them share a purpose (1 of many) to actually cause harm to things. Just like Guns. Not all guns are designed to damage things. The original purpose of Guns was to be able to propel a projectile at high velocity over long distances. It was never meant to be a device meant for killing but instead a tool, but when Cultures realized its capability of causing damage to the human body it developed a new purpose. Same with Cars, Many original "Transport Vehilces" where designed to Kill or damage something. Alcohol was originall developed for pleasure but over time has been utilized to kill bacteria and or Other forms of life. Same with everything else I listed, They all have a purpose and one of those many purposes is to kill, i can assure you once humans realized what damage these products could cause they immediately went to weaponize them. But My guns purpose is to protect me at all times.

The earliest use of firearms was by the Chinese military, and I stress military, they were used in war, so I strongly disagree when you say that they were first developed just to fire projectiles over long distances.
Also, I realize that all of the other things you listed can kill people, but people don't buy them to harm others with.
People buy alcohol because they want a drink or to get drunk, people buy cigarettes because they either need to or want to relieve stress, people get prescription drugs because they think it's going to make them better, people buy cars to get from a to b, people buy food because people need to eat.

People buy guns to damage things which is why I think they aren't comparable to everything else you've listed in terms of causing deaths because death is the primary use of a gun.
Yes you can use a gun to protect yourself, but by using the gun you are exercising its purpose.

Once again, I'm all for the sale of guns in America, I just don't like the line of reasoning to back it up that you're using. I think there are far better arguments out there which don't exist on such a slippery slope.

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Yes the guns where developed by military, But the original purpose was not for killing (For example signaling another unit, which evolves launching a projectile long distances to acquire their attention), It started as what I was saying. Once the original was developed it was then evolved into a weapon meant to damage those of another person. Also I just want to say this, The Gun dosent Kill anyone (Excluding the popular Statement) Its the bullet. The bullet causes the damage. My argument for this, "I can kill you with a bullet and my bare hands, I don't need a gun to use it". But anyway I understand that those arn't good arguments but liberals are so

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(Open if you must) Stupid now days that they don't understand statics that disprove their claims or ideals. So you have to treat them like their stupid and you have to explain things using every day uses. Now My main argument I will always use and is probably the best argument you'll find is Kennesaw, Georgia. KENNESAW, GEORGIA Make sure everyone sees that. Kennesaw has had 4 gun related murders in the past 10 years. Everyone their is required to Own a Gun, Know how to use it, and own ammo for it or you cant live their. (Special exceptions) The city also has one of the lowest gun related crime rates in the country, The state of Georgia, and possible the planet earth. Heres what I mean, CHICAGO, ILLONOIS Has a complete gun ban ( I believe if not mistaken), yet still has one of the highest gun related crime rates in the Country! and highest crime rate as well. Notice which one has the lower rate

Kennesaw, Georgia (Every home owner must own a gun and Ammo): 4 Gun related murders in the past 10 years.
Chicago, Illonois: 435 Gun related Murders In 2012 ALONE!

Now I understand you can pull the population card, But Still Kennesaw has the lowest gun related crime rate in the country. But look it up, States with a 2 Million + Population + (40% Gun ownership) have lower gun related murders than most states (especially Illinois) that have 2 million Population + (25% or less gun ownership)
And 90% percent of gun related crimes are committed with an illegaly obtained gun. You cant ban illegally obtain weaponry. Sorry i've been inactive on here for a while. Ive been having to explain history to too many people lately other places.

You can't compare the number of crimes between a city that has a population of 30,000 to one that has 2.715 million. That statistic is misleading. I also doubt Keennesaw, Georgia has no where close to the amount of gang activity that Chicago does.

The problem is guns getting into the hands of people who have social or mental illnesses as well as people attaining weapons illegally. I don't think the correct solution is to make it a requirement for everyone to own a weapon, ammo, and be trained on how to use it. Sure that solution might be effective in some places but it will not work everywhere.

-Mark I would expect better, I posted my explanation for the population difference in my post. Oh and let me reassure you Georgia has really bad gang violence even around that area. But re-read my post and you will see how I handle this so called "population" Difference. But the fact is you cant stop gun violence that is committed with illegally obtained weapons which is Greater than 70% of gun crimes. Those guns can't be governed or banned. You simply can't stop them. you also simply contradicted your self "You can't compare the number of crimes between a city that has a population of 30,000 to one that has 2.715 million. That statistic is misleading." with this "no where close to the amount of gang activity that Chicago does." you must understand Chicago has a GUN ban yet it still has the highest gun violence rates. Also "gang activity that Chicago does" Background checks and other measures wont stop that, They obtain their guns illegally. Not by walking into a gun store and buying them so that wont stop it either. Its a Simple fact guns laws will only affect the law abiding gun owner.

Note* Oh and did I mention that Kennesaw is located in the Atlanta area which is not only the Human Trafficking highway of the world but also has a significant amount of Gang violence. So the city may only have 30,000 buts its located in an area known as: Atlanta metropolitan area which contains 5.5 Million People in its area (9th Largest Metropolitan area in the United States (3 million more than Chicago)

I clearly stated that people attaining weapons illegally is a major issue.

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The problem is guns getting into the hands of people who have social or mental illnesses as well as people attaining weapons illegally.

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Metropolitan population and the population of a city are two entirely different things so you pulled out another misleading statistic. When I stated that the population of Chicago is 2.715 million, I was explicitly speaking of the city itself and not including surrounding ones. The population of the Chicago metropolitan area is 9.5 million as of 2013 while Atlanta is at 5.5 million
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That being said, I completely agree with your argument that gun restrictions and laws only affect law abiding gun owners.