Dylan- wrote Like I said on the other PC elitist topic, its basically a matter of preference and doesn't even matter.

Bashful wrote I agree lol The PC gamer community as a whole is a bunch of a*shats

I guess every console gamer loves Doritos, Mountain Dew, is 12 and screwed my mom last night. You have to realize that the "PC Master Race" is a circlejerk, it was made as a joke. Anyone that takes it seriously is a knob.

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>A console is extremely convenient. You unpackage it, plug it in and it's ready to go. No installing an Operating System. No system updates.

Didn't Xbox One have a day one update? Also Wii-U had a major one that took up most of the storage.

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Not too much to say about longevity except that consoles break down quite regularly and even with simple fixes you may be heading out to buy a new consoles because of how closed it is.

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>PC however, you may need third party software (Steam, Origin, Frameworks, etc.)

There's no way around that. Obviously you have to use Steam or Origin to play games

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>You may need to do a system update

Which consoles do too

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>You may have to shell out some money

Which you also have to do, especially if your console breaks down.

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>Average PC gamers have admitted to spending 200$ a year (on average), in upgrades. For some, this includes new monitors or keyboards while others focus on the hardware itself.

Not exactly a valid point. That's the same thing as controllers and T.V's. which many people do buy. I also don't know a single person that spends $200 a year on PC upgrades.

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>However, that alone states that in a console generation a PC gamer on average, may spend about 1,000$. A console gamer could buy the console for 400$, and won't necessarily need to spend any more money specifically for the console, until the next generation.

Everything is so cheap that it doesn't matter if PC gamers decide they want better performance so they spend money on a new GPU. You don't pay a dime to play Online, there's many games that are free to play, Steam offers insane deals 3 or 4 times a year, etc. You save so much money that it's not even a problem.

Jovetic wrote

Bashful wrote I agree lol The PC gamer community as a whole is a bunch of a*shats

I guess every console gamer loves Doritos, Mountain Dew, is 12 and screwed my mom last night. You have to realize that the "PC Master Race" is a circlejerk, it was made as a joke. Anyone that takes it seriously is a knob.

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>A console is extremely convenient. You unpackage it, plug it in and it's ready to go. No installing an Operating System. No system updates.

Didn't Xbox One have a day one update? Also Wii-U had a major one that took up most of the storage.

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Not too much to say about longevity except that consoles break down quite regularly and even with simple fixes you may be heading out to buy a new consoles because of how closed it is.

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>PC however, you may need third party software (Steam, Origin, Frameworks, etc.)

There's no way around that. Obviously you have to use Steam or Origin to play games

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>You may need to do a system update

Which consoles do too

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>You may have to shell out some money

Which you also have to do, especially if your console breaks down.

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>Average PC gamers have admitted to spending 200$ a year (on average), in upgrades. For some, this includes new monitors or keyboards while others focus on the hardware itself.

Not exactly a valid point. That's the same thing as controllers and T.V's. which many people do buy. I also don't know a single person that spends $200 a year on PC upgrades.

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>However, that alone states that in a console generation a PC gamer on average, may spend about 1,000$. A console gamer could buy the console for 400$, and won't necessarily need to spend any more money specifically for the console, until the next generation.

Everything is so cheap that it doesn't matter if PC gamers decide they want better performance so they spend money on a new GPU. You don't pay a dime to play Online, there's many games that are free to play, Steam offers insane deals 3 or 4 times a year, etc. You save so much money that it's not even a problem.

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Well obviously some people take it serious. I for one believe it's all preference and enjoy both platforms. If I had the funds, I would easily buy both.


-Yes the Xbox One had a day one update, however not many consoles do this. The previous generations, playstation's and Nintendo all worked directly out of the box. I played my first Xbox 360 on the very first dashboard up until 2009, when I first connected to the internet.

-Actually, since you focused on Steam or Origin, not all games require either. Most Blizzard games have their own framework not requiring a third party software. However, some games require you to install C++ frameworks, DirectX, download Steam to install, etc.

To play a console game online you simply put the disc in and maybe install a 30 second game update.

-System updates are substantially shorter. I posted that below as well. They also are not required to play newer games, which on PC may happen if you have the wrong Service Pack.

-Shelling out money
Well if you actually take care of your product, no.
Microsoft covered all hardware faults from the original release until 2010. It was replaced for free. If you took care of your console, it could last the whole time. Which it did for me. I still have my original one (which I actually gave away), but it works still to this day.

-The 200$ average was based on forums dedicated to PC gaming. I spent 30 minutes looking through them, the majority of them focused mainly on upgrades and a complete overhaul on average in 4-6 years.

I took the lowball answer. Many people spent as much as 400$ in a year.

Either way, if you look at upgrading every two years, that's about 200$ in parts (on average), this doesn't include re-selling your part and not just upgrading your GPU.

It's still more expensive then a console if you take care of them. I have my original Controller still.

-The games aren't even taken into account into the discussion because in reality, I don't need to buy new games or even purchase online services. That's a point that is specific to the user.

But for example. Starcraft will have 3 expansions.
20$ for each is 60$. About the cost of a full game.

Mainly games are 40$ for PC specific "larger" games.

Multi-platform games are still 60$.

A lot of pc games involve spending real money in game. Sins players have spent THOUSANDS.

WoW and other MMO's require a monthly fee usually and they have premium items that unbalance the game and pretty much require every one else to purchase those items for it to be balanced.

Helpiness wrote Point 1

- Console systems have system updates
- They have incompatibility issues take the RROD for example, to truly fix it you would send it Microsoft Support for 1-2 months instead of fixing it on your own

Point 2

- I have had xbox 360s since they came out, over the 8/9 years its been out, I have had 8 they are horrible for lifespan

I did enjoy the consoles for convenience, and how easy it is to connect with your friends other than that I dont believe they have anything on PCs

And everyone complaining about "Gaming communities on the PC" they are the same on consoles, that whiny child who did various things with your mother. Its the same everywhere, just because you dislike the platform you cant use it as an argument against it when its the same on your preferred platform

1) System Updates take 5-10 minutes to install and you can always unplug the console from the internet and STILL play new games. That's not always the case on PC

2) That has nothing to do compatibility. It's a hardware failure. Actually, I sent my Xbox to Microsoft on RROD and they fixed it for free and it took about 2 weeks.

3) Well I had the Xbox since it came out and I have had 2 separate consoles. The 2nd one is simply because I chose to buy the Slim.

Also, I'm not arguing for one platform. I'm simply stating that it's all preference and this is designed to prove a point to the ignorant PC elitists who bash on console users. There are advantages. The community sucks on Xbox and on Playstation. The community on PC varies based on the service and game. I could play ladder on Starcraft and rarely find an a*shole.

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It seems like people believe I am pro-console. If you look at my other responses, I'm also a PC gamer but the reality is, all platforms has a pro.

I'm trying to prove the while PC is an overwhelming more powerful and arguably better platform, consoles have pro's that PC's don't necessarily match.

I play PC and not going to lie, I really dislike consoles. But I really do hate when people who play PC to game bash on the console players. I mean if they want to play console, then that's fine. I play PC because it may be expensive to start with, but in the long run if you've spent a fair amount on a quality build, then you'll have all the free to play games, indie games, steam sales etc.

The thing that put me off consoles was:

The rage on games on voice & text chat

Shelling out 40 quid just to play online.

I still get abuse on PC ( Keyboard warriors :/ ) but no where near the abuse as I did when I used to play consoles.

Online is free ( On the games I play )

Oh no I definitely agree with both of you.

You could easily save money on a PC by building a powerhouse and just let it deteriorate to the point of not even being able to handle games.

If you can get 10 years out of an 800$ build, you could be spending like 80$ a year, versus a 100$ a year for consoles.

I think its kinda funny how you said on average gamers spend 200 dollars a year and that's just in maintenance, and that a console is around 400 dollars. so therefore its obviously cheaper right? Well no, you have to buy video games, in some cases new controllers or new headsets, you have things like red ring of death or the red ring for play station. So that in its self if another console. Ive had this specific computer I game on for about a year no and haven't spend a dollar on maintenance.

Im aware that we all have preferences, I like pc.

I haven't spent more than $40 on a console game in years, and I usually get them anywhere from around $20 or less.

You can buy and sell console games quite easy, and get used games on Ebay/Craigslist for a fraction of the cost of new ones. Add in good trade-in deals from Future Shop, Best Buy, and occasionally EB Games, and I've actually paid off a lot of the money I spend on console games.

Console games aren't as expensive as a lot of people think, they're only expensive if you don't know how to research and find good deals.

-Actually, since you focused on Steam or Origin, not all games require either. Most Blizzard games have their own framework not requiring a third party software. However, some games require you to install C++ frameworks, DirectX, download Steam to install, etc.

Nearly every game from Steam will install everything for you. I guarantee the average PC user, not even gamer, has all of those without even playing PC Games. In-fact Horizon, the modding tool, requires .NET framework to be installed. Something many, many TTG users have.

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-System updates are substantially shorter. I posted that below as well. They also are not required to play newer games, which on PC may happen if you have the wrong Service Pack.

I can't even remember a time when I needed to upgrade or downgrade a service pack to play a game. It was probably Vista or XP. I'd honestly say it's obsolete now.

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-Shelling out money
Well if you actually take care of your product, no.
Microsoft covered all hardware faults from the original release until 2010. It was replaced for free. If you took care of your console, it could last the whole time. Which it did for me. I still have my original one (which I actually gave away), but it works still to this day.

That doesn't include RROD, Hard-drive errors, etc. I myself have had 3 xbox's. One banned, one where the laser doesn't read the game and one that's still working. The thing is, you can't just go out and buy a $20 hard-drive and replace it like you could a PC. Instead, you have to buy a new xbox which at the time cost me $200 for a 4GB Xbox.

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-The 200$ average was based on forums dedicated to PC gaming. I spent 30 minutes looking through them, the majority of them focused mainly on upgrades and a complete overhaul on average in 4-6 years. I took the lowball answer. Many people spent as much as 400$ in a year. Either way, if you look at upgrading every two years, that's about 200$ in parts (on average), this doesn't include re-selling your part and not just upgrading your GPU. It's still more expensive then a console if you take care of them. I have my original Controller still.

You don't need to upgrade though, you're missing that. Some of those people are buying expensive ass GPUs to get more performance out of their games because they want to. Not because they need to. That's like saying, "well this one guy went out and had his console modded so I guess everyone needs a console mod."

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-The games aren't even taken into account into the discussion because in reality, I don't need to buy new games or even purchase online services. That's a point that is specific to the user.

It's point specific to the user to spend more money on their PC.

But for example. Starcraft will have 3 expansions.
20$ for each is 60$. About the cost of a full game.

You mean the same as Call of Duty? Except Call of Duty has more microtransactions and over priced DLC.

Mainly games are 40$ for PC specific "larger" games. Multi-platform games are still 60$.

Not too much to say about that, I don't know where you're going with that.

A lot of pc games involve spending real money in game. Sims players have spent THOUSANDS.

That's a very, very specific user base. I guess it would be the same as people spending thousands on Happy Wars, FIFA Ultimate Team, Madden Ultimate Team, GTA V "shark cards", etc.

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WoW and other MMO's require a monthly fee usually

Elder Scrolls Online...

and they have premium items that unbalance the game and pretty much require every one else to purchase those items for it to be balanced.

Spartacus Legends...

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OP can't inb4.

I'd love to have a discussion over this, but you've left out any sources of where you're pulling these facts. I'm pretty sure anyone can just claim that PC gamers spend 200$ on average each year. As well as the fact that the consoles are just completely ready to go straight out of the box. Post sources or don't post.