Ghoulish_Entity wrote Mark Twain once said, "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it".

Now you're getting into stupid stuff. If you believe that the U.S government doesn't work for the people or that it is corrupt find a new citizenship.

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

Joe- wrote

Ghoulish_Entity wrote Mark Twain once said, "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it".

Now you're getting into stupid stuff. If you believe that the U.S government doesn't work for the people or that it is corrupt find a new citizenship.

What a marine thing to say. Round of applause for your predictable attitude.

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

In the end if the citizen would be able to buy the gun in the first place he wouldn't have a problem passing a more strict background check and shouldn't worry about getting the gun a few days later.

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

When it becomes an actual hindrance, sure. If they were to start banning certain guns, then I would throw it in the "gun control" category. I'm not the type of person to say "every citizen should have a gun." We have a lot of crazy people in this country that shouldn't be anywhere near a gun. If we make it harder for those type of people, then that is great in my opinion.

Joe- wrote

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

In the end if the citizen would be able to buy the gun in the first place he wouldn't have a problem passing a more strict background check and shouldn't worry about getting the gun a few days later.

I understand that man, but if the bad guys want guns they will get them. You can build them for Christ's sake.

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Joe- wrote

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

In the end if the citizen would be able to buy the gun in the first place he wouldn't have a problem passing a more strict background check and shouldn't worry about getting the gun a few days later.

I understand that man, but if the bad guys want guns they will get them. You can build them for Christ's sake.

You can also build bombs, but you aren't marching for them to be made legal because 'if the bad guys want bombs they will get them.'

Personally, I think that the key to lowering the gun death rate in the US is hidden within the legalization of recreational drugs and the end of the war on drugs.
Gang violence makes up the vast majority of gun deaths in the US. If you take gang violence away from America's 4.8 per 100,000 people murder rate, it drops to about 2.0, which is on par with the rest of major western civilized countries.

If you take away their main revenue stream, which is the drug trade, there will be less gangs - because they will be unable to financially sustain themselves - and, as a result, less gang violence, which means less gun deaths.

The murder rate in the US spiked when prohibition was introduced, dropped when it was ended, and rose again when Nixon started the war on drugs.

Increasing background checks is just one method of decreasing the gun death rate in the US, but it isn't the only method.

As for the mass shooters, Obama needs to take Bill Clinton's 1994 health care reform proposal and improve upon it.
Mental health education and health care must be improved in the US in order to spot and help those likely to commit a mass shooting before they do so.

Ghoulish_Entity wrote

Yin wrote Presidents spend a ton of money on vacations. It's what they do. The executive order was to be expected at some point. I said some months ago that something will have to give at some point. These shootings can't keep happening like they are. Anyway, I wouldn't really call background checks "gun control." Seems like one of the most reasonable things, right next to people on the terrorist watch list not being able to buy guns.

So you're telling me, that you don't consider the government making it harder for the citizens to purchase firearms is gun control?

If you're not a felon, you shouldn't give a shit. Just like I don't.

Joe- wrote Also, the executive order on guns is purposed to be about more extensive background checks, this coming after a mass shooting in CA. where people want to see something done. It was purposed before this the Senate shut it down. You're acting like he's taking away all the guns and running off on a vaction

The firearms used in the CA shooting were obtained illegally and violated federal law.

Nepal wrote Gun(s) are not essential in life, in-fact the United Kingdom doesn't have them; and it seems there's less violent actions when you don't have access to weapons easily at a local gun store.

I do enjoy shooting guns as a hobby, but they're not essential to life at all.

"Freedom of speech is not essential in life, in-fact North Korea doesn't have any at all; and it seems there's less political opposition and violent acts when you get burned alive in a soccer stadium for thousands to see for saying you didn't like the shoes Kim was wearing"

Owning firearms is a right, just as freedom of speech is and any other constitutional amendment.

This is an Obama joke.

It's easy to jump the gun and say that's too much, don't get me wrong it's a big amount, but you need to understand where that money goes. It's not like he was playing million dollar rounds of golf, beings that he is the leader of this country he needs to be escorted everywhere. This includes paying people for protection, no one knows how much but you can bet he has sharp shooters everywhere waiting to take out a threat. He doesn't drive, so he has to pay the three drivers and all the personel in the cars, etc. There is more than a 100% chance there was some wasteful spending, but who doesn't waste money on vacation? Our 5k vacation is his 8m vacation because he needs everything we don't. It's not just him either, it's the whole family. Between paying everyone involved in escorting and protecting him, travel, expense of wherever he's going, and other factors, I could see an 8 million dollar vacation.