MagnaFlow wrote Heres what I would go with OP.
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You of course may not overclock, but if you ever want to learn you certainly can with these components.
Its about $20 more, but heres the benefits.

Better cooler
twice the ram
newer, better processor
better motherboard (Better chipset) (There are cheaper boards but Ive owned this one for about 3 days and loved overclocking on it)

The only thing missing is your HDD so in that case tack on $50 for a drive, or up it to the SSD from 13's build as its a better deal than a 240gb ssd and HDD.
You do NOT need 750w to SLI if you choose to. These graphics cards will not use that much. 650w is just fine.

Hahahah. You have got to be kidding? Why don't you tell us exactly why the 7700k and "better cooler" is going to benefit someone who is not overclocking? 240GB SSD and no HDD, even though OP SPECIFICALLY said he wanted an HDD. You should really go back and read, you're just wasting peoples time. Lower quality case, PSU, GPU, and SSD.

Now, if you go back and actually look at what I recommended;
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You'll see that not only will it perform exactly the same, but it also has better quality components and a larger SSD.

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MagnaFlow wrote Heres what I would go with OP.
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You of course may not overclock, but if you ever want to learn you certainly can with these components.
Its about $20 more, but heres the benefits.

Better cooler
twice the ram
newer, better processor
better motherboard (Better chipset) (There are cheaper boards but Ive owned this one for about 3 days and loved overclocking on it)

The only thing missing is your HDD so in that case tack on $50 for a drive, or up it to the SSD from 13's build as its a better deal than a 240gb ssd and HDD.
You do NOT need 750w to SLI if you choose to. These graphics cards will not use that much. 650w is just fine.

Hahahah. You have got to be kidding? Why don't you tell us exactly why the 7700k is going to benefit someone who is not overclocking? 240GB SSD and no HDD, even though OP SPECIFICALLY said he wanted an HDD. You should really go back and read, you're just wasting peoples time. Lower quality case, PSU, GPU, and SSD.

Now, if you go back and actually look at what I recommended;
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You'll see that not only will it perform exactly the same, but it also has better quality components and a larger SSD.

Lower quality case? The s340 has been KNOWN to be an AMAZING case for its price, let alone the elite version. The 7700k is in fact better than the 6700k by around 5%. Is that much? No, but its also only a few dollars more than the 6700k so why not? If he wants a god damn slow ass HDD then he can buy one? The PSU is plenty, and I dont know how you rate the quality of a PSU, but if they give power, arent loud, and dont burn my house down they get my approval. You and I both know my build is a tad bit stronger. I chose the MSI card as I have had some horrible service from gigabytes team. The msi card has given no issues to the friend of mine that owns one. I own the founders edition becuase I bought it for aesthetics.

Whats your deal dude? Someone proves you wrong and you get butthurt? Youre Sancty arent ya? Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people.

MagnaFlow wrote Lower quality case? The s340 has been KNOWN to be an AMAZING case for its price, let alone the elite version.

Do you know what quality actually means? The S340 is a poorer quality case than the Enthoo Pro. Hands down. No argument. The S340 Elite does not improve case build quality, just adds a tempered glass side panel really.

MagnaFlow wrote The 7700k is in fact better than the 6700k by around 5%. Is that much? No, but its also only a few dollars more than the 6700k so why not?

Clock for clock the 6700k and 7700k are exactly the same. It's not "a few dollars". It's more than $20 more for the 7700k and the only benefit the 7700k has over the 6700k is that it overclocks better(typically). OP isn't overclocking, thus the 7700k and $100+ cooler would be a huge waste of his money when he can put it towards better quality components.

MagnaFlow wrote If he wants a god damn slow ass HDD then he can buy one?

It seems you have a severe misunderstanding of how this section works. I suggested a system with 16GB RAM. OP specifically asked for an HDD. I changed the suggestion to better suit him, with an HDD and 8GB RAM. You then came in here, got pissy, started throwing your shit around like the monkeys in the zoo do, and then completely ignored OP, which again, as I said, is just wasting everyone's time.

MagnaFlow wrote The PSU is plenty, and I dont know how you rate the quality of a PSU, but if they give power, arent loud, and dont burn my house down they get my approval.

I sure hope you don't work with anything electrical then. If you think just because something doesn't go on fire, that means it's good quality, then you seriously must need assistance to use a toaster?

MagnaFlow wrote You and I both know my build is a tad bit stronger.

It's not, at all.

MagnaFlow wrote I chose the MSI card as I have had some horrible service from gigabytes team. The msi card has given no issues to the friend of mine that owns one.

This means absolutely nothing. I've had issues with MSI customer support in the past, doesn't mean I can't/won't recommend MSI products. Those cheap MSI 1070s are so flimsy. I'm pretty sure EVGA have a 1070 for $380 now which would be better than that MSI card, especially if you're going to talk about customer support. However, the Gigabyte card performs well, has a nice backplate, and RGB LEDs.

MagnaFlow wrote Whats your deal dude? Someone proves you wrong and you get butthurt? Youre Sancty arent ya? Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people.

You never proved anyone wrong, at all. You're not even making good/valid points, and are pretty much arguing with yourself. I'm not even kidding, you're literally exactly like one of those monkeys that throws it's own shit around it's own cage.

"Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people."
I live for when people say this shit, it's so ironic. Love it<3
Also, the resorting to flaming clearly shows how strong your 'argument' is. Lmfao.

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MagnaFlow wrote Lower quality case? The s340 has been KNOWN to be an AMAZING case for its price, let alone the elite version.

Do you know what quality actually means? The S340 is a poorer quality case than the Enthoo Pro. Hands down. No argument. The S340 Elite does not improve case build quality, just adds a tempered glass side panel really.

MagnaFlow wrote The 7700k is in fact better than the 6700k by around 5%. Is that much? No, but its also only a few dollars more than the 6700k so why not?

Clock for clock the 6700k and 7700k are exactly the same. It's not "a few dollars". It's more than $20 more for the 7700k and the only benefit the 7700k has over the 6700k is that it overclocks better(typically). OP isn't overclocking, thus the 7700k and $100+ cooler would be a huge waste of his money when he can put it towards better quality components.

MagnaFlow wrote If he wants a god damn slow ass HDD then he can buy one?

It seems you have a severe misunderstanding of how this section works. I suggested a system with 16GB RAM. OP specifically asked for an HDD. I changed the suggestion to better suit him, with an HDD and 8GB RAM. You then came in here, got pissy, started throwing your shit around like the monkeys in the zoo do, and then completely ignored OP, which again, as I said, is just wasting everyone's time.

MagnaFlow wrote The PSU is plenty, and I dont know how you rate the quality of a PSU, but if they give power, arent loud, and dont burn my house down they get my approval.

I sure hope you don't work with anything electrical then. If you think just because something doesn't go on fire, that means it's good quality, then you seriously must need assistance to use a toaster?

MagnaFlow wrote You and I both know my build is a tad bit stronger.

It's not, at all.

MagnaFlow wrote I chose the MSI card as I have had some horrible service from gigabytes team. The msi card has given no issues to the friend of mine that owns one.

This means absolutely nothing. I've had issues with MSI customer support in the past, doesn't mean I can't/won't recommend MSI products. Those cheap MSI 1070s are so flimsy. I'm pretty sure EVGA have a 1070 for $380 now which would be better than that MSI card, especially if you're going to talk about customer support. However, the Gigabyte card performs well, has a nice backplate, and RGB LEDs.

MagnaFlow wrote Whats your deal dude? Someone proves you wrong and you get butthurt? Youre Sancty arent ya? Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people.

You never proved anyone wrong, at all. You're not even making good/valid points, and are pretty much arguing with yourself. I'm not even kidding, you're literally exactly like one of those monkeys that throws it's own shit around it's own cage.

"Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people."
I live for when people say this shit, it's so ironic. Love it<3
Also, the resorting to flaming clearly shows how strong your 'argument' is. Lmfao.

Again, my system is stronger than yours. If the S340 is so "Shit" why is it constantly being talked about on popular channels and reccomended? The elite has better cable "ties" if you must call them, and it has better airflow. Also, what makes my PSU so "Low quality"? As far as the flaming goes, I believe your the one that appears to be getting angry, and if I remember correctly, staff took my side years back on a similar discussion. In the end OP will choose what fits him, I cant decide that and neither can you. I simply introduced him to a build that performs better than what you listed in his price range. (If you cant afford the extra $20 on a $1700 build, theres an issue). Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)

MagnaFlow wrote

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MagnaFlow wrote Lower quality case? The s340 has been KNOWN to be an AMAZING case for its price, let alone the elite version.

Do you know what quality actually means? The S340 is a poorer quality case than the Enthoo Pro. Hands down. No argument. The S340 Elite does not improve case build quality, just adds a tempered glass side panel really.

MagnaFlow wrote The 7700k is in fact better than the 6700k by around 5%. Is that much? No, but its also only a few dollars more than the 6700k so why not?

Clock for clock the 6700k and 7700k are exactly the same. It's not "a few dollars". It's more than $20 more for the 7700k and the only benefit the 7700k has over the 6700k is that it overclocks better(typically). OP isn't overclocking, thus the 7700k and $100+ cooler would be a huge waste of his money when he can put it towards better quality components.

MagnaFlow wrote If he wants a god damn slow ass HDD then he can buy one?

It seems you have a severe misunderstanding of how this section works. I suggested a system with 16GB RAM. OP specifically asked for an HDD. I changed the suggestion to better suit him, with an HDD and 8GB RAM. You then came in here, got pissy, started throwing your shit around like the monkeys in the zoo do, and then completely ignored OP, which again, as I said, is just wasting everyone's time.

MagnaFlow wrote The PSU is plenty, and I dont know how you rate the quality of a PSU, but if they give power, arent loud, and dont burn my house down they get my approval.

I sure hope you don't work with anything electrical then. If you think just because something doesn't go on fire, that means it's good quality, then you seriously must need assistance to use a toaster?

MagnaFlow wrote You and I both know my build is a tad bit stronger.

It's not, at all.

MagnaFlow wrote I chose the MSI card as I have had some horrible service from gigabytes team. The msi card has given no issues to the friend of mine that owns one.

This means absolutely nothing. I've had issues with MSI customer support in the past, doesn't mean I can't/won't recommend MSI products. Those cheap MSI 1070s are so flimsy. I'm pretty sure EVGA have a 1070 for $380 now which would be better than that MSI card, especially if you're going to talk about customer support. However, the Gigabyte card performs well, has a nice backplate, and RGB LEDs.

MagnaFlow wrote Whats your deal dude? Someone proves you wrong and you get butthurt? Youre Sancty arent ya? Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people.

You never proved anyone wrong, at all. You're not even making good/valid points, and are pretty much arguing with yourself. I'm not even kidding, you're literally exactly like one of those monkeys that throws it's own shit around it's own cage.

"Spend less time on the forums and go socialize. Learn how to talk to people."
I live for when people say this shit, it's so ironic. Love it<3
Also, the resorting to flaming clearly shows how strong your 'argument' is. Lmfao.

Again, my system is stronger than yours. If the S340 is so "Shit" why is it constantly being talked about on popular channels and reccomended? The elite has better cable "ties" if you must call them, and it has better airflow. Also, what makes my PSU so "Low quality"? As far as the flaming goes, I believe your the one that appears to be getting angry, and if I remember correctly, staff took my side years back on a similar discussion. In the end OP will choose what fits him, I cant decide that and neither can you. I simply introduced him to a build that performs better than what you listed in his price range. (If you cant afford the extra $20 on a $1700 build, theres an issue). Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)

Those people usually have some sort of sponsorship from them so of course they're gonna say good things, the case isn't bad but its not that great either the enthoo pro is a great case for the money, a lot of space to hide cables enough room for the biggest radiators brackets and mounting spots for custom loops, if you take your time cable management will be pro, there is so much about that case that is so good, considering the price it is a high hitter for one of the best cases imo, i never personally liked the s340 because it didnt have much to offer hence its lower price point, and imo the elite doesn't improve on much for a higher price

MagnaFlow wrote Again, my system is stronger than yours. If the S340 is so "Shit" why is it constantly being talked about on popular channels and reccomended? The elite has better cable "ties" if you must call them, and it has better airflow.

Not once did I say that the S340 was "Shit", so I'd appreciate if you didn't literally put words in my mouth, thanks. The S340 absolutely does not have better airflow. Airflow will depend on case fans but the Enthoo Pro easily has the potential for better airflow. Its larger and made of better materials. The Enthoo Pro is an objectively better quality case than the S340.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, what makes my PSU so "Low quality"?

Misquoting me again, really? I never said the PSU was "Low quality". The PSU you suggested is Bronze rated and semi-modular, if you think that's even remotely similar to the EVGA G2, you're delusional.

MagnaFlow wrote As far as the flaming goes, I believe your the one that appears to be getting angry, and if I remember correctly, staff took my side years back on a similar discussion.

Ah, you're right, staff took your side on some discussion several years ago so obviously you weren't just blatantly flaming by telling me to go outside and "socialize"? Go ahead and quote exactly where I flamed you in this thread so we can see exactly what you think flaming is lmfao.

MagnaFlow wrote In the end OP will choose what fits him, I cant decide that and neither can you.

Ohhh, you're starting to get it. OP specifically said he wanted an HDD, so what you recommended is useless. Not sure what about this isn't clicking for you?

MagnaFlow wrote I simply introduced him to a build that performs better than what you listed in his price range. (If you cant afford the extra $20 on a $1700 build, theres an issue).

It doesn't perform better though.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)

Wrong again. Z170 chipset is fully compatible with the 6700k.

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MagnaFlow wrote Again, my system is stronger than yours. If the S340 is so "Shit" why is it constantly being talked about on popular channels and reccomended? The elite has better cable "ties" if you must call them, and it has better airflow.

Not once did I say that the S340 was "Shit", so I'd appreciate if you didn't literally put words in my mouth, thanks. The S340 absolutely does not have better airflow. Airflow will depend on case fans but the Enthoo Pro easily has the potential for better airflow. Its larger and made of better materials. The Enthoo Pro is an objectively better quality case than the S340.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, what makes my PSU so "Low quality"?

Misquoting me again, really? I never said the PSU was "Low quality". The PSU you suggested is Bronze rated and semi-modular, if you think that's even remotely similar to the EVGA G2, you're delusional.

MagnaFlow wrote As far as the flaming goes, I believe your the one that appears to be getting angry, and if I remember correctly, staff took my side years back on a similar discussion.

Ah, you're right, staff took your side on some discussion several years ago so obviously you weren't just blatantly flaming by telling me to go outside and "socialize"? Go ahead and quote exactly where I flamed you in this thread so we can see exactly what you think flaming is lmfao.

MagnaFlow wrote In the end OP will choose what fits him, I cant decide that and neither can you.

Ohhh, you're starting to get it. OP specifically said he wanted an HDD, so what you recommended is useless. Not sure what about this isn't clicking for you?

MagnaFlow wrote I simply introduced him to a build that performs better than what you listed in his price range. (If you cant afford the extra $20 on a $1700 build, theres an issue).

It doesn't perform better though.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)

Wrong again. Z170 chipset is fully compatible with the 6700k.

When did I say it wasnt compatible? Also, what makes my PSU a bad choice? All the rating means is a few bucks saved from your electric bill (literally like $5 for a year) It IS better though. The 7700k shows a 5.9% increase. Without an overclock. Prove that wrong

MagnaFlow wrote

13 wrote

MagnaFlow wrote Again, my system is stronger than yours. If the S340 is so "Shit" why is it constantly being talked about on popular channels and reccomended? The elite has better cable "ties" if you must call them, and it has better airflow.

Not once did I say that the S340 was "Shit", so I'd appreciate if you didn't literally put words in my mouth, thanks. The S340 absolutely does not have better airflow. Airflow will depend on case fans but the Enthoo Pro easily has the potential for better airflow. Its larger and made of better materials. The Enthoo Pro is an objectively better quality case than the S340.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, what makes my PSU so "Low quality"?

Misquoting me again, really? I never said the PSU was "Low quality". The PSU you suggested is Bronze rated and semi-modular, if you think that's even remotely similar to the EVGA G2, you're delusional.

MagnaFlow wrote As far as the flaming goes, I believe your the one that appears to be getting angry, and if I remember correctly, staff took my side years back on a similar discussion.

Ah, you're right, staff took your side on some discussion several years ago so obviously you weren't just blatantly flaming by telling me to go outside and "socialize"? Go ahead and quote exactly where I flamed you in this thread so we can see exactly what you think flaming is lmfao.

MagnaFlow wrote In the end OP will choose what fits him, I cant decide that and neither can you.

Ohhh, you're starting to get it. OP specifically said he wanted an HDD, so what you recommended is useless. Not sure what about this isn't clicking for you?

MagnaFlow wrote I simply introduced him to a build that performs better than what you listed in his price range. (If you cant afford the extra $20 on a $1700 build, theres an issue).

It doesn't perform better though.

MagnaFlow wrote Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)

Wrong again. Z170 chipset is fully compatible with the 6700k.

When did I say it wasnt compatible? Also, what makes my PSU a bad choice? All the rating means is a few bucks saved from your electric bill (literally like $5 for a year) It IS better though. The 7700k shows a 5.9% increase. Without an overclock. Prove that wrong

All the reviews I have seen show no increase in game FPS.

MagnaFlow wrote When did I say it wasnt compatible?

I literally quoted you. This is exactly where you said it wasn't compatible;
"Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)"
He doesn't need a BIOS update for the 6700k, at all, so how is he going to do be doing anything "with out a CPU that works"?

MagnaFlow wrote Also, what makes my PSU a bad choice? All the rating means is a few bucks saved from your electric bill (literally like $5 for a year)

I never said it was bad. Its not. It just doesn't fit in a $1700 build because it's bronze rated and semi-modular. That isn't "all the rating means" but I'm not even necessarily saying it's bad because it's bronze rated. There are plenty of shitty Gold rates PSUs. The actual components used to make the PSU determine the quality, and while BQ units are not bad, G2 units are **** stellar quality.

MagnaFlow wrote It IS better though. The 7700k shows a 5.9% increase. Without an overclock. Prove that wrong

I've already gone over this. Do you not understand what Kaby Lake is? Its literally a refined version of Skylake. Intel has a year to squeeze higher clock speeds out of Skylake, which we now know as Kaby Lake. The low end Kaby Lake offers hyperthreaded Pentiums now which is fantastic. However, the 7700k is 5% better than the 6700k at stock because at stock, it's 200MHz faster. Clock for clock, they're identical. What I suggested is $20 Cheaper anyway so OP can get what I suggested with the 7700k and stay at the same price as what you suggested. My point though, is that the 7700k and expensive cooler are not worth the premium for OP as he's not overclocking.

For someone who's overclocking, absolutely spend the extra $20 for the 7700k. For OP, waste of money.

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MagnaFlow wrote When did I say it wasnt compatible?

I literally quoted you. This is exactly where you said it wasn't compatible;
"Also, with the z170 he may require a bios update. How does one do that with out a CPU that works? (Not all boards require this, but it is noted by intel)"
He doesn't need a BIOS update for the 6700k, at all, so how is he going to do be doing anything "with out a CPU that works"?

MagnaFlow wrote Also, what makes my PSU a bad choice? All the rating means is a few bucks saved from your electric bill (literally like $5 for a year)

I never said it was bad. Its not. It just doesn't fit in a $1700 build because it's bronze rated and semi-modular. That isn't "all the rating means" but I'm not even necessarily saying it's bad because it's bronze rated. There are plenty of shitty Gold rates PSUs. The actual components used to make the PSU determine the quality, and while BQ units are not bad, G2 units are **** stellar quality.

MagnaFlow wrote It IS better though. The 7700k shows a 5.9% increase. Without an overclock. Prove that wrong

I've already gone over this. Do you not understand what Kaby Lake is? Its literally a refined version of Skylake. Intel has a year to squeeze higher clock speeds out of Skylake, which we now know as Kaby Lake. The low end Kaby Lake offers hyperthreaded Pentiums now which is fantastic. However, the 7700k is 5% better than the 6700k at stock because at stock, it's 200MHz faster. Clock for clock, they're identical. What I suggested is $20 Cheaper anyway so OP can get what I suggested with the 7700k and stay at the same price as what you suggested. My point though, is that the 7700k and expensive cooler are not worth the premium for OP as he's not overclocking.

For someone who's overclocking, absolutely spend the extra $20 for the 7700k. For OP, waste of money.

Alright so lets do this. Drop the $100 cooler, get a $30 one. Spend the extra $70 on a better SSD or get the HDD. However, we keep the 7700k. If OP wont overclock, then he still gets the 5% performance boost from factory. Then, if he does overclock, he can benefit greatly.