Sanctorum wrote

Illustrated wrote The guy was a convicted felon

Totally irrelevant.

Illustrated wrote and had a gun in his pocket. It seems he was reaching for it before being shot.

There was absolutely no way he could have managed to pull a gun out of his pocket and fire it whilst two officers were right on top of him.

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Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me, and even if he was, no way he could have done any real damage. Totally unjustifiable murder in my eyes.

Seeing none of us were there during this, we really can't know the whole story.. From the time the patrol officer getting the call to the shots fired... It's easy to fire a weapon while in your pocket.. It's not a logical thing to do or smart, but it can be done. he would of caused more damage to himself than anyone else, not saying he couldn't have shot the officer(s).. It could be proven justifiable homicide, or it could be proven non-justifiable homicide. All of the videos and witness prob been interviewed and will go before a judge.. If he is found non-guilty. He could be punished departmentally, could or could not.

Utzy wrote Seeing none of us were there during this, we really can't know the whole story..

I totally agree, I'm just sharing my opinion from the information I have.

Sanctorum wrote

Utzy wrote Seeing none of us were there during this, we really can't know the whole story..

I totally agree, I'm just sharing my opinion from the information I have.

Oh I know, I wasn't being a smart ass. I was just saying.. No disrespect to you!

Sanctorum wrote

Illustrated wrote The guy was a convicted felon

Totally irrelevant.

Illustrated wrote and had a gun in his pocket. It seems he was reaching for it before being shot.

There was absolutely no way he could have managed to pull a gun out of his pocket and fire it whilst two officers were right on top of him.

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Graphic video of Alton Sterling being shot by police. Don't open the spoiler or watch the video if it will make you uncomfortable.

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Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me, and even if he was, no way he could have done any real damage. Totally unjustifiable murder in my eyes.

It's not irrelevant. If you're a convicted felon you should be treated as a dangerous criminal. Obviously a criminal is going to be treated differently than an innocent person who's never committed a crime.
And you can fire a handgun from inside your pocket. You clearly don't know too much about the operation of firearms. It doesn't matter how much damage he could of done it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it after resisting. Reckless behavior gets you killed.

Illustrated wrote

Sanctorum wrote

Illustrated wrote The guy was a convicted felon

Totally irrelevant.

Illustrated wrote and had a gun in his pocket. It seems he was reaching for it before being shot.

There was absolutely no way he could have managed to pull a gun out of his pocket and fire it whilst two officers were right on top of him.

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Graphic video of Alton Sterling being shot by police. Don't open the spoiler or watch the video if it will make you uncomfortable.

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Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me, and even if he was, no way he could have done any real damage. Totally unjustifiable murder in my eyes.

It's not irrelevant. If you're a convicted felon you should be treated as a dangerous criminal. Obviously a criminal is going to be treated differently than an innocent person who's never committed a crime.
And you can fire a handgun from inside your pocket. You clearly don't know too much about the operation of firearms. It doesn't matter how much damage he could of done it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it after resisting. Reckless behavior gets you killed.

You responded to Sanctorum's "even if he was reaching for his gun..." hypothetical and I would agree with your conclusion there.
If he was going for his gun and did manage to get his hand on it he could have done some damage to both himself and the officers.
With that being said, you didn't respond to his statement about what he thinks really happened.

Sanctorum said, "Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me."
You have gone from saying earlier in this thread that, "It seems he was reaching for it before being shot" to saying in this post, "...it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it..."
You have moved from it being a reasonable assumption to a fact that he was reaching for his gun.
I understand that you probably didn't mean to call it a fact and were just using it as a figure of speech, unless you are privy to some new information, but you still haven't defended your assertion that it seems like he was reaching for his gun.

My point is that if you view Motivational and Sanctorum as wrong because they can't prove that he wasn't reaching for his gun, then how can you say that your position is any more defensible if you can't prove that he was?

If you can't prove that he was reaching for his gun, or prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, then your basis for defending the police on this falls apart.
At the very least you should regress to the position of, "I don't know, we need more information before we make amy judgememts."

Obscurum wrote

Illustrated wrote

Sanctorum wrote

Illustrated wrote The guy was a convicted felon

Totally irrelevant.

Illustrated wrote and had a gun in his pocket. It seems he was reaching for it before being shot.

There was absolutely no way he could have managed to pull a gun out of his pocket and fire it whilst two officers were right on top of him.

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Graphic video of Alton Sterling being shot by police. Don't open the spoiler or watch the video if it will make you uncomfortable.

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Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me, and even if he was, no way he could have done any real damage. Totally unjustifiable murder in my eyes.

It's not irrelevant. If you're a convicted felon you should be treated as a dangerous criminal. Obviously a criminal is going to be treated differently than an innocent person who's never committed a crime.
And you can fire a handgun from inside your pocket. You clearly don't know too much about the operation of firearms. It doesn't matter how much damage he could of done it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it after resisting. Reckless behavior gets you killed.

You responded to Sanctorum's "even if he was reaching for his gun..." hypothetical and I would agree with your conclusion there.
If he was going for his gun and did manage to get his hand on it he could have done some damage to both himself and the officers.
With that being said, you didn't respond to his statement about what he thinks really happened.

Sanctorum said, "Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me."
You have gone from saying earlier in this thread that, "It seems he was reaching for it before being shot" to saying in this post, "...it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it..."
You have moved from it being a reasonable assumption to a fact that he was reaching for his gun.
I understand that you probably didn't mean to call it a fact and were just using it as a figure of speech, unless you are privy to some new information, but you still haven't defended your assertion that it seems like he was reaching for his gun.

My point is that if you view Motivational and Sanctorum as wrong because they can't prove that he wasn't reaching for his gun, then how can you say that your position is any more defensible if you can't prove that he was?

If you can't prove that he was reaching for his gun, or prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, then your basis for defending the police on this falls apart.
At the very least you should regress to the position of, "I don't know, we need more information before we make amy judgememts."

Well said, sir. I did not mean to state it as fact, it is just my belief.

Obscurum wrote

Illustrated wrote

Sanctorum wrote

Illustrated wrote The guy was a convicted felon

Totally irrelevant.

Illustrated wrote and had a gun in his pocket. It seems he was reaching for it before being shot.

There was absolutely no way he could have managed to pull a gun out of his pocket and fire it whilst two officers were right on top of him.

Click to View Content

Graphic video of Alton Sterling being shot by police. Don't open the spoiler or watch the video if it will make you uncomfortable.

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Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me, and even if he was, no way he could have done any real damage. Totally unjustifiable murder in my eyes.

It's not irrelevant. If you're a convicted felon you should be treated as a dangerous criminal. Obviously a criminal is going to be treated differently than an innocent person who's never committed a crime.
And you can fire a handgun from inside your pocket. You clearly don't know too much about the operation of firearms. It doesn't matter how much damage he could of done it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it after resisting. Reckless behavior gets you killed.

You responded to Sanctorum's "even if he was reaching for his gun..." hypothetical and I would agree with your conclusion there.
If he was going for his gun and did manage to get his hand on it he could have done some damage to both himself and the officers.
With that being said, you didn't respond to his statement about what he thinks really happened.

Sanctorum said, "Doesn't look like he's reaching for anything to me."
You have gone from saying earlier in this thread that, "It seems he was reaching for it before being shot" to saying in this post, "...it's the fact he had it in his pocket and he was reaching for it..."
You have moved from it being a reasonable assumption to a fact that he was reaching for his gun.
I understand that you probably didn't mean to call it a fact and were just using it as a figure of speech, unless you are privy to some new information, but you still haven't defended your assertion that it seems like he was reaching for his gun.

My point is that if you view Motivational and Sanctorum as wrong because they can't prove that he wasn't reaching for his gun, then how can you say that your position is any more defensible if you can't prove that he was?

If you can't prove that he was reaching for his gun, or prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, then your basis for defending the police on this falls apart.
At the very least you should regress to the position of, "I don't know, we need more information before we make amy judgememts."

Thank you for that, sir!

this has been something that has been coming for along time, its sad but its true

Weigh wrote

We're all living in hell & trust me it's not going to get any better , there will never be a such thing as PEACE.... I'm sorry , but all we can do is pray.

Of course there'll never be peace. Human beings are not and never have been peaceful creatures.

We have a government. Why? Because if we didn't have laws, rules and punishments then human beings would cause chaos and commit horrific acts. If we were naturally peaceful creatures, we wouldn't need a government and laws to keep us in place.

We're not all living in hell. I'm looking outside my window and I can see the sun shining and the cars going past and it's peaceful. Sure, there appears to be some underage drinkers across the road, playing music and laughing but it's certainly not a major issue and it has nothing to do with me.

Go to Syria, Africa or travel back in time to the holocaust or even medieval times and tell me that today is hell. Millions of Jews were killed during the holocaust and hundreds of thousands of people were needlessly executed during medieval times for no reason other than pure brutality.

The world could be better but it could also be far worse. Far worse. As I said in a previous post here, ten people were killed in the last couple of days and everyone is losing their minds. Almost two people die every single second across the world according to statistics from 2011 and people are so distraught that these first class citizens who have lived long and enjoyable lives have died when the same number of people die every five seconds.

I'm not even going to go into how it's completely pointless to pray and that it wont do anything. If you want to solve the problem, do something about it. Don't say that the only thing we can do is pray, while we sit in our huge houses, protected by everything.

Go over to a poor country and build water pumps or something. Praying doesn't help anyone.