Aethah wrote MrWednesday You can stop...

I asked what people think about this, I did not ask for paragraphs on trying the destroy people's beliefs on this effect.

Everything you have said is your opinion and your opinion's are now becoming irrelevant to my topic.

Aethah wrote I'm not gunna sit here replying to you every 5 minutes...

I did not ask for a debate or any kind of argument around this topic.

I probably should of put that in the post^

I should of also said only say something if you have had an experience of this effect or theories of this because to be honest I couldn't care less of your opinion

I'm not gunna sit here replying to you every 5 minutes...

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MrWednesday wrote It's all nonsense. It was invented by people who can't admit that they were wrong about something.
Didn't know what Vader said to Lake and looked like an idiot in front of your friends?
Make up a parallel universe story to make yourself look smart.

The simplest explanation is often the one which is true.
People remember things differently because some people's brains are better at retaining information than others.

It's that simple and no parallel universe theory is needed to explain it.

ignorance is bliss my friend.

You bring me some real evidence that this exists rather than, "but I feelz it be troo!" and I'll take it out of the same category as deja vu being evidence of time travel.

Give someone a scientific sounding hypothesis which appeals to their broken brains and give it a cool sounding name and people will believe anything is true.

"broken brains" So why do you feel the need to belittle someone just because they they are searching for something that is out of the status quo of science? How will everyone learn anything new if we don't present questions i kinda thought that's what science was all about not blindly following the scientific community.

He asked for opinions on the Mandela effect and I'm bored of moderating my views on this site to protect people's sensibilities.

Yes, if you mistemember something then your brain in that moment, for the purposes of that function was broken.
If you want to ignore the points I'm making and play the hurt feelings 'pursuit of knowledge' card then be my guest.

My feelings are far from being hurt my friend. Im done arguing because this is a go nowhere argument just like atheism and creationists argument the two cannot be resolved and the argument will just go on and on and there is no winner just alot of wasted time. Im not telling you to believe in the effect Im just wondering why it is that you have to put down people that believe in the mandala effect you could have said no i don't believe in it because of blank but you feel the need to talk about the people that believe in it by saying "people who can't admit that they were wrong about something" why just why include that? That's it, all maybe your from universe A and im from B but I know there is something to this.

in order for it to be proven we must research it find what it actually is and proof it

That isn't how science works. You are working backwards from your conclusion here.
Science works from a hypothesis towards a conclusion.

But let's stop pretending that we are about to undertake a grand scientific endeavor.
This will, at best, be a back and forth with you presenting so called examples of this effect and me attempting to debunk them or explain why this happens in simple psychological terms.

The majority of your arguments will come down to three points:

- I remember this being different
- Thousands of people all around the world remember this being different
- That's [whatever argument I present] not a good enough explanation

The first two of which are fundamentally flawed, logically, and the third of which would be a laughable claim to make in the face of assertions about alternate universes and the world tumbling through them.

BTW nothing is unprovable because anything is possible.

I'll give you two examples of something being unprovable, one on a huge scale, and one on a smaller scale.

1) An omnipotent, omniscient deity who doesn't want their existence to be proven.
If they are all powerful they can stop any attempt to prove their existence, and if they are all knowing they would know about any attempt to prove their existence.
That's the huge scale one.

2) The unprovable hypothesis here is psychological. It is unprovable because every person's brain is by all chemical, physical and neurological standards, different. When we get past basic things like color perception and pain, to more variable things like memory, knowledge retention, etc. what is true for one mind will likely not be true for any other mind on this planet, which makes something like this, in practical terms, unprovable.

im trying to find a resolution im not going to blatantly sit there and tell you the mandala effect is bs because it has not yet been proven thats just dumb

Scientific progress doesn't come out of collaboration between everyone involved. It comes out of conflict.

I come on a topic like this and all I see are people patting each other on the back, talking about the very limited evidence for the existence of this effect with the demeanor that they are putting the final nails in the coffin for any ideology skeptical of this kind of thing.

That isn't people working towards solving the issue, that is people tumbling down a rabbit hole towards confirmation that their hypothesis is true and ignoring all of the kernels of doubt whizzing by their heads.

So why do you feel the need to belittle someone just because they they are searching for something that is out of the status quo of science?

Think about how someone like me is to tackle an unfalsifiable issue like this.
You all present feelings as evidence that this is true. You've felt this before, you've had experiences with it. How can I scientifically prove to OP that this is not true? I can't. That's why it's unfalsifiable.
But I can point out how there is a much simpler explanation for this kind of thing, and how in my experience the people who follow this stuff tend to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

There was a post the other day about a guy who thought he saw a UFO in his living room. I said, basically, that vast numbers of people have probably missed out on being diagnosed with mental illnesses because they can believe that nonsense instead.

I'm tired of seeing people use these wild and insane theories to get out of the fact that sometimes our brains are a little bit wonky. We forget things, we hallucinate [some of us anyway], it happens.
I don't think that pointing this out is belittling people. I think the people who have to subscribe to these theories to avoid accepting the reality of their situation need to be told with no equivocation, "You are wrong, here is why..."

Giving both sides of an argument equal weight or standing in a debate isn't being unbiased, it's being biased to the side which is most likely to be wrong because it makes that side look better than they should look.

I used to come onto topics like this and say "Here's the evidence for this side, here's the evidence for this side, here's my conclusion." Not any more, that's nonsense. Now I just try to refute the evidence for the other side in the presentation of my side, and unfortunately for people with sensitive feelings with psychological issues like this, that means insulting them because there is no other way to do it.

How will everyone learn anything new if we don't present questions i kinda thought that's what science was all about not blindly following the scientific community.

Asking questions is fine, but don't ask questions if you don't want answers that disagree with what you believe to be true.

If you go back through and read my posts on this topic I have been answering the questions posed.

You can't honestly tell me that none of the mandala effects are odd. So it was never mirror mirror on the wall it was always magic mirror lmao gtfo there is no way in hell i remembered all of these things wrong.

You're wrong. It was 'Magic Mirror' and 'Mirror Mirror.'
The original Brothers Grimm story used Mirror Mirror and the Disney film changed it to Magic Mirror.
Most films, stories, and TV shows stick to Mirror Mirror, but Snow White was such a popular film that Magic Mirror became a popular version of it too.

No parallel universe, just knowledge gaps and overexposure to one phrase rather than the other.
If you want an 'effect' to look up, have a look into Misinformation Effect because I'm guessing that whatever article, video, or subreddit you found out about the Magic Mirror example from didn't include the information that it was both.

30 years of research says that you believed it was Mirror Mirror, were then told - by what you thought was a reputable source - that it was Magic Mirror and your brain retroactively altered all memories you might have had of it being Mirror Mirror and changed them to Magic Mirror.

Im not telling you to believe in the effect Im just wondering why it is that you have to put down people that believe in the mandala effect you could have said no i don't believe in it because of blank but you feel the need to talk about the people that believe in it by saying "people who can't admit that they were wrong about something" why just why include that?

What else am I supposed to say to make that point?

"I don't believe in it because I think people who do believe in it just can't admit that they were wrong about something?"
"I don't believe in it because I think people who do believe in it are extremely smart and worthy of respect and have very good reasons for believing but they don't like the idea of them not being able to remember something accurately?"

That's the same thing twice, but one is sugar coated. I'm not here to make people feel good, I'm not here to make people feel bad either, but if that happens then I'm sorry.

Do me a favor though, engage with the points if you or anyone else thinks I'm wrong, or if you think I'm being far too mean just report me and let the staff deal with my 'horrible behavior,' just don't act like my mother and give me a telling off for not being sensitive when I'm making a point about something where offending people is literally the only way to make the point.

Also, you don't really have a leg to stand on here in regards to me belittling people considering you called me ignorant.
I didn't cry foul when you did, I asked for you to unburden me of my ignorance by providing evidence.

What you said to me was actually worse than what I said to you because my belittling of people who believe this type of thing was the only method I could use to discredit the commonly given evidence for this effect.
Your use of belittlement was simply and concisely to discredit not my point or my position, but me as a person.

So please drop the act of being interested only in discovering the truth about this effect and being open to kind and considerate debate, you aren't practicing what you have been preaching.

it was just interesting to me because in the video he said that everyone either had or knew someone that have a NDE in 2012

How on Earth would he know that? If even I don't know whether or not someone close to me had a near death experience, how would he?

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MrWednesday wrote It's all nonsense. It was invented by people who can't admit that they were wrong about something.
Didn't know what Vader said to Lake and looked like an idiot in front of your friends?
Make up a parallel universe story to make yourself look smart.

The simplest explanation is often the one which is true.
People remember things differently because some people's brains are better at retaining information than others.

It's that simple and no parallel universe theory is needed to explain it.

ignorance is bliss my friend.

You bring me some real evidence that this exists rather than, "but I feelz it be troo!" and I'll take it out of the same category as deja vu being evidence of time travel.

Give someone a scientific sounding hypothesis which appeals to their broken brains and give it a cool sounding name and people will believe anything is true.

"broken brains" So why do you feel the need to belittle someone just because they they are searching for something that is out of the status quo of science? How will everyone learn anything new if we don't present questions i kinda thought that's what science was all about not blindly following the scientific community.

He asked for opinions on the Mandela effect and I'm bored of moderating my views on this site to protect people's sensibilities.

Yes, if you mistemember something then your brain in that moment, for the purposes of that function was broken.
If you want to ignore the points I'm making and play the hurt feelings 'pursuit of knowledge' card then be my guest.

My feelings are far from being hurt my friend. Im done arguing because this is a go nowhere argument just like atheism and creationists argument the two cannot be resolved and the argument will just go on and on and there is no winner just alot of wasted time. Im not telling you to believe in the effect Im just wondering why it is that you have to put down people that believe in the mandala effect you could have said no i don't believe in it because of blank but you feel the need to talk about the people that believe in it by saying "people who can't admit that they were wrong about something" why just why include that? That's it, all maybe your from universe A and im from B but I know there is something to this.

in order for it to be proven we must research it find what it actually is and proof it

That isn't how science works. You are working backwards from your conclusion here.
Science works from a hypothesis towards a conclusion.

But let's stop pretending that we are about to undertake a grand scientific endeavor.
This will, at best, be a back and forth with you presenting so called examples of this effect and me attempting to debunk them or explain why this happens in simple psychological terms.

The majority of your arguments will come down to three points:

- I remember this being different
- Thousands of people all around the world remember this being different
- That's [whatever argument I present] not a good enough explanation

The first two of which are fundamentally flawed, logically, and the third of which would be a laughable claim to make in the face of assertions about alternate universes and the world tumbling through them.

BTW nothing is unprovable because anything is possible.

I'll give you two examples of something being unprovable, one on a huge scale, and one on a smaller scale.

1) An omnipotent, omniscient deity who doesn't want their existence to be proven.
If they are all powerful they can stop any attempt to prove their existence, and if they are all knowing they would know about any attempt to prove their existence.
That's the huge scale one.

2) The unprovable hypothesis here is psychological. It is unprovable because every person's brain is by all chemical, physical and neurological standards, different. When we get past basic things like color perception and pain, to more variable things like memory, knowledge retention, etc. what is true for one mind will likely not be true for any other mind on this planet, which makes something like this, in practical terms, unprovable.

im trying to find a resolution im not going to blatantly sit there and tell you the mandala effect is bs because it has not yet been proven thats just dumb

Scientific progress doesn't come out of collaboration between everyone involved. It comes out of conflict.

I come on a topic like this and all I see are people patting each other on the back, talking about the very limited evidence for the existence of this effect with the demeanor that they are putting the final nails in the coffin for any ideology skeptical of this kind of thing.

That isn't people working towards solving the issue, that is people tumbling down a rabbit hole towards confirmation that their hypothesis is true and ignoring all of the kernels of doubt whizzing by their heads.

So why do you feel the need to belittle someone just because they they are searching for something that is out of the status quo of science?

Think about how someone like me is to tackle an unfalsifiable issue like this.
You all present feelings as evidence that this is true. You've felt this before, you've had experiences with it. How can I scientifically prove to OP that this is not true? I can't. That's why it's unfalsifiable.
But I can point out how there is a much simpler explanation for this kind of thing, and how in my experience the people who follow this stuff tend to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

There was a post the other day about a guy who thought he saw a UFO in his living room. I said, basically, that vast numbers of people have probably missed out on being diagnosed with mental illnesses because they can believe that nonsense instead.

I'm tired of seeing people use these wild and insane theories to get out of the fact that sometimes our brains are a little bit wonky. We forget things, we hallucinate [some of us anyway], it happens.
I don't think that pointing this out is belittling people. I think the people who have to subscribe to these theories to avoid accepting the reality of their situation need to be told with no equivocation, "You are wrong, here is why..."

Giving both sides of an argument equal weight or standing in a debate isn't being unbiased, it's being biased to the side which is most likely to be wrong because it makes that side look better than they should look.

I used to come onto topics like this and say "Here's the evidence for this side, here's the evidence for this side, here's my conclusion." Not any more, that's nonsense. Now I just try to refute the evidence for the other side in the presentation of my side, and unfortunately for people with sensitive feelings with psychological issues like this, that means insulting them because there is no other way to do it.

How will everyone learn anything new if we don't present questions i kinda thought that's what science was all about not blindly following the scientific community.

Asking questions is fine, but don't ask questions if you don't want answers that disagree with what you believe to be true.

If you go back through and read my posts on this topic I have been answering the questions posed.

You can't honestly tell me that none of the mandala effects are odd. So it was never mirror mirror on the wall it was always magic mirror lmao gtfo there is no way in hell i remembered all of these things wrong.

You're wrong. It was 'Magic Mirror' and 'Mirror Mirror.'
The original Brothers Grimm story used Mirror Mirror and the Disney film changed it to Magic Mirror.
Most films, stories, and TV shows stick to Mirror Mirror, but Snow White was such a popular film that Magic Mirror became a popular version of it too.

No parallel universe, just knowledge gaps and overexposure to one phrase rather than the other.
If you want an 'effect' to look up, have a look into Misinformation Effect because I'm guessing that whatever article, video, or subreddit you found out about the Magic Mirror example from didn't include the information that it was both.

30 years of research says that you believed it was Mirror Mirror, were then told - by what you thought was a reputable source - that it was Magic Mirror and your brain retroactively altered all memories you might have had of it being Mirror Mirror and changed them to Magic Mirror.

Im not telling you to believe in the effect Im just wondering why it is that you have to put down people that believe in the mandala effect you could have said no i don't believe in it because of blank but you feel the need to talk about the people that believe in it by saying "people who can't admit that they were wrong about something" why just why include that?

What else am I supposed to say to make that point?

"I don't believe in it because I think people who do believe in it just can't admit that they were wrong about something?"
"I don't believe in it because I think people who do believe in it are extremely smart and worthy of respect and have very good reasons for believing but they don't like the idea of them not being able to remember something accurately?"

That's the same thing twice, but one is sugar coated. I'm not here to make people feel good, I'm not here to make people feel bad either, but if that happens then I'm sorry.

Do me a favor though, engage with the points if you or anyone else thinks I'm wrong, or if you think I'm being far too mean just report me and let the staff deal with my 'horrible behavior,' just don't act like my mother and give me a telling off for not being sensitive when I'm making a point about something where offending people is literally the only way to make the point.

Also, you don't really have a leg to stand on here in regards to me belittling people considering you called me ignorant.
I didn't cry foul when you did, I asked for you to unburden me of my ignorance by providing evidence.

What you said to me was actually worse than what I said to you because my belittling of people who believe this type of thing was the only method I could use to discredit the commonly given evidence for this effect.
Your use of belittlement was simply and concisely to discredit not my point or my position, but me as a person.

So please drop the act of being interested only in discovering the truth about this effect and being open to kind and considerate debate, you aren't practicing what you have been preaching.

it was just interesting to me because in the video he said that everyone either had or knew someone that have a NDE in 2012

How on Earth would he know that? If even I don't know whether or not someone close to me had a near death experience, how would he?

You make some very interesting points I actually started to watch some debut videos about the Mandela effect and they where pretty convincing like on the one effect, life was like a box of chocolate but people think that it was life is like a box of chocolates the reason he said was is because in the movie his mother died and would mean pass tense which is Grammarly correct. Sorry I took so long to respond i have been working.