krispycreammods wrote being able to buy used games
free online
not having a kinect look at me all the time

btw i am switching from a Xbox 360 just to clarify that i am not a Microsoft fan boy

You have to pay for online now, I think it's around $50 a year now for PSN.

Anyways, for me, it would simply not being able to buy, share and sell used games, and the extra $100 cost for the Xbox One.

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote What has me sold:
1.Sony cares about gamers.

2.Trade in games.

3.Don't have to be online.

4.The new interface

1. Ehh...not anymore than Microsoft. Microsoft is like your mom who gives you advice and you're just like "Lol okay mom" Two years later you're like...."woah maybe mom was right." Sadly, most of the kids on TTG are too ignorant to understand what Microsoft is doing, and they aren't willing to learn.

I doubt Sony cares about gamers anymore than Microsoft, they just saw how gamers reacted to the Xbox One and said "Do you know how much money we can make if we just do the opposite of Microsoft's f-ups?" And so they did.

Maybe Microsoft will do something revolutionary, but I've been with Sony almost my entire gaming life.

It was "What has sold you on The PS4?" Not "Come here and debate about which console is the best"

I'm not about to start a flame war over a CONSOLE.

Starting an argument with me is like trying to start a war with the USA, you won't win.

Vietnam

On topic: The PS4 is kind of getting me. I love the Xbox brand, but I just don't agree with what they are doing. I'm fine with the used game thing in a sense. I just really don't like needing to be online for an hour every 24 hour period. It's a console, not a PC. I should be able to use it no matter the location as long as I have a TV and electricity. The Kinect is not really a cool thing either. Why do I have to have it on while I play? It's already uncomfortable that Microsoft is part of PRISM. Now we have a camera that is always when the Xbox is on? Not cool. I'm still on the edge though because I have eight years worth of achievements and time put into my account. PS4 is looking pretty good though.

If we went to war with Vietnam today...lol.

@ Everything else, just read this.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

That really didn't clear up anything. The DRM isn't confirmed to work the way the guy thinks it may work in the post. That being said, there is still the problem of needing an internet connection for an hour every 24 hours (until confirmed.) Turning off the features of the Kinect does nothing to their end. If there is power to the console and I'm online, they have access to it. The webcam on my computer can be hacked into at any point without me knowing. It's just how that works. It's not like the NSA or whoever would come out and say they are doing it. It would be kept secret. Point being: Cameras that have power and internet to them aren't to be trusted (especially those from Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.) Could I be paranoid? Maybe. It's still a realistic possibility though.

Yes you're paranoid. Seriously, why does everyone think they're important enough for the government to give a **** about? Why do kids on here think the government has the time or resources to watch every xbox one player 24/7?

I'm not going to argue with someone who will just continually say, "BUT DA CAMERA IS WATHCIN U, HOW WE KNO, DEY NOT RECORDING YOU?"

It's not that they are watching every person on Xbox, it's the fact that they can watch any of them when they want. Not to mention no one trusts Microsoft with security especially after some of the leaked Edward Snowden papers showed Microsoft sharing information with the NSA.

Here are some of the reasons people don't like the new Xbox, you obviously love:

- You have to have Kinect plugged in at all times to use the console, can never actually turn it "off"
- It has significantly less power than the PS4 (50% slower GPU) [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
- Zero backwards compatibility
- Microsoft won't allow indie devs to self-publish/they must get a publisher (very expensive for small companies)
- Will be region locked, making many countries wait a long time or never be able to use the console altogether
- Completely retarded restrictions on trading/selling used game to make Microsoft more money
- $100 more for less power and more restrictions than the PS4 (wut?)

I can already tell you have your heart set on being ignorant. But I will say..

- Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times? You're just trying to find things to complain about. Learn to control the privacy settings if you're scared that for whatever reason the government wants to monitor you 24/7.

- Lol, that is false. Linking that site is like using wikipedia as a credible source. And I know what your teachers have told you kids about wikipedia.

- PS4 isn't backwards compatible either.

- You kids barely even support indie developers, stop acting like you care about them now.

- Like you care about those other countries, just a reason to complain.

- Those "restrictions" won't make Microsoft any money, it will make the publishers more money. And sharing games on Xbox one is better than the current just give your friend the disk method of sony.

- Valid reason, but stop acting like $100 is a groundbreaking difference. Especially when the PS3 was $200 more than the 360 at launch.

Pear wrote

SHS wrote Kingdom hearts 3. Thats all i need

Thats also a xbox one game XD


I will be getting the ps4 over the xbox one because of these reasons:
1. My friends will be getting this console
2. I currently have an xbox 360 which is amazing however I would like to play ps3 games and even some of the games I loved from ps2/ps1 which you can play on the PS4.
3.I will be using it for gaming and not watching tv or really any media apart from the occasional dvd.
4. I hated the first kinect so I don't see the point in paying an extra 100 for a device I won't use.
5. Region free
6. I can borrow games from people

You forgot the part where the PS4 is more powerful. LOL

Afghan786 wrote

Pear wrote

SHS wrote Kingdom hearts 3. Thats all i need

Thats also a xbox one game XD


I will be getting the ps4 over the xbox one because of these reasons:
1. My friends will be getting this console
2. I currently have an xbox 360 which is amazing however I would like to play ps3 games and even some of the games I loved from ps2/ps1 which you can play on the PS4.
3.I will be using it for gaming and not watching tv or really any media apart from the occasional dvd.
4. I hated the first kinect so I don't see the point in paying an extra 100 for a device I won't use.
5. Region free
6. I can borrow games from people

You forgot the part where the PS4 is more powerful. LOL

It's also cheaper...that should be more than enough. Stronger + Cheaper + Better games > Cable box worth 500$

IgnorantChildren wrote

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote What has me sold:
1.Sony cares about gamers.

2.Trade in games.

3.Don't have to be online.

4.The new interface

1. Ehh...not anymore than Microsoft. Microsoft is like your mom who gives you advice and you're just like "Lol okay mom" Two years later you're like...."woah maybe mom was right." Sadly, most of the kids on TTG are too ignorant to understand what Microsoft is doing, and they aren't willing to learn.

I doubt Sony cares about gamers anymore than Microsoft, they just saw how gamers reacted to the Xbox One and said "Do you know how much money we can make if we just do the opposite of Microsoft's f-ups?" And so they did.

Maybe Microsoft will do something revolutionary, but I've been with Sony almost my entire gaming life.

It was "What has sold you on The PS4?" Not "Come here and debate about which console is the best"

I'm not about to start a flame war over a CONSOLE.

Starting an argument with me is like trying to start a war with the USA, you won't win.

Vietnam

On topic: The PS4 is kind of getting me. I love the Xbox brand, but I just don't agree with what they are doing. I'm fine with the used game thing in a sense. I just really don't like needing to be online for an hour every 24 hour period. It's a console, not a PC. I should be able to use it no matter the location as long as I have a TV and electricity. The Kinect is not really a cool thing either. Why do I have to have it on while I play? It's already uncomfortable that Microsoft is part of PRISM. Now we have a camera that is always when the Xbox is on? Not cool. I'm still on the edge though because I have eight years worth of achievements and time put into my account. PS4 is looking pretty good though.

If we went to war with Vietnam today...lol.

@ Everything else, just read this.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

That really didn't clear up anything. The DRM isn't confirmed to work the way the guy thinks it may work in the post. That being said, there is still the problem of needing an internet connection for an hour every 24 hours (until confirmed.) Turning off the features of the Kinect does nothing to their end. If there is power to the console and I'm online, they have access to it. The webcam on my computer can be hacked into at any point without me knowing. It's just how that works. It's not like the NSA or whoever would come out and say they are doing it. It would be kept secret. Point being: Cameras that have power and internet to them aren't to be trusted (especially those from Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.) Could I be paranoid? Maybe. It's still a realistic possibility though.

Yes you're paranoid. Seriously, why does everyone think they're important enough for the government to give a **** about? Why do kids on here think the government has the time or resources to watch every xbox one player 24/7?

I'm not going to argue with someone who will just continually say, "BUT DA CAMERA IS WATHCIN U, HOW WE KNO, DEY NOT RECORDING YOU?"

It's not that they are watching every person on Xbox, it's the fact that they can watch any of them when they want. Not to mention no one trusts Microsoft with security especially after some of the leaked Edward Snowden papers showed Microsoft sharing information with the NSA.

Here are some of the reasons people don't like the new Xbox, you obviously love:

- You have to have Kinect plugged in at all times to use the console, can never actually turn it "off"
- It has significantly less power than the PS4 (50% slower GPU) [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
- Zero backwards compatibility
- Microsoft won't allow indie devs to self-publish/they must get a publisher (very expensive for small companies)
- Will be region locked, making many countries wait a long time or never be able to use the console altogether
- Completely retarded restrictions on trading/selling used game to make Microsoft more money
- $100 more for less power and more restrictions than the PS4 (wut?)

I can already tell you have your heart set on being ignorant. But I will say..

- Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times? You're just trying to find things to complain about. Learn to control the privacy settings if you're scared that for whatever reason the government wants to monitor you 24/7.

- Lol, that is false. Linking that site is like using wikipedia as a credible source. And I know what your teachers have told you kids about wikipedia.

- PS4 isn't backwards compatible either.

- You kids barely even support indie developers, stop acting like you care about them now.

- Like you care about those other countries, just a reason to complain.

- Those "restrictions" won't make Microsoft any money, it will make the publishers more money. And sharing games on Xbox one is better than the current just give your friend the disk method of sony.

- Valid reason, but stop acting like $100 is a groundbreaking difference. Especially when the PS3 was $200 more than the 360 at launch.

I love how you have to say "You kids".
Still 100$ is a big difference when your paying more for something that is worse. Is like saying Mac or PC? Duh!! Mac cause it's pretty and shiny! No virus! I wanna pay 600$+ for less power!

Sony has won the E3 so far, so good.
Sony has the power to have item, Microsoft was trying to take things out of Sony. I think Sony is over powerful now. Jokes.

IgnorantChildren wrote

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote What has me sold:
1.Sony cares about gamers.

2.Trade in games.

3.Don't have to be online.

4.The new interface

1. Ehh...not anymore than Microsoft. Microsoft is like your mom who gives you advice and you're just like "Lol okay mom" Two years later you're like...."woah maybe mom was right." Sadly, most of the kids on TTG are too ignorant to understand what Microsoft is doing, and they aren't willing to learn.

I doubt Sony cares about gamers anymore than Microsoft, they just saw how gamers reacted to the Xbox One and said "Do you know how much money we can make if we just do the opposite of Microsoft's f-ups?" And so they did.

Maybe Microsoft will do something revolutionary, but I've been with Sony almost my entire gaming life.

It was "What has sold you on The PS4?" Not "Come here and debate about which console is the best"

I'm not about to start a flame war over a CONSOLE.

Starting an argument with me is like trying to start a war with the USA, you won't win.

Vietnam

On topic: The PS4 is kind of getting me. I love the Xbox brand, but I just don't agree with what they are doing. I'm fine with the used game thing in a sense. I just really don't like needing to be online for an hour every 24 hour period. It's a console, not a PC. I should be able to use it no matter the location as long as I have a TV and electricity. The Kinect is not really a cool thing either. Why do I have to have it on while I play? It's already uncomfortable that Microsoft is part of PRISM. Now we have a camera that is always when the Xbox is on? Not cool. I'm still on the edge though because I have eight years worth of achievements and time put into my account. PS4 is looking pretty good though.

If we went to war with Vietnam today...lol.

@ Everything else, just read this.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

That really didn't clear up anything. The DRM isn't confirmed to work the way the guy thinks it may work in the post. That being said, there is still the problem of needing an internet connection for an hour every 24 hours (until confirmed.) Turning off the features of the Kinect does nothing to their end. If there is power to the console and I'm online, they have access to it. The webcam on my computer can be hacked into at any point without me knowing. It's just how that works. It's not like the NSA or whoever would come out and say they are doing it. It would be kept secret. Point being: Cameras that have power and internet to them aren't to be trusted (especially those from Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.) Could I be paranoid? Maybe. It's still a realistic possibility though.

Yes you're paranoid. Seriously, why does everyone think they're important enough for the government to give a **** about? Why do kids on here think the government has the time or resources to watch every xbox one player 24/7?

I'm not going to argue with someone who will just continually say, "BUT DA CAMERA IS WATHCIN U, HOW WE KNO, DEY NOT RECORDING YOU?"

It's not that they are watching every person on Xbox, it's the fact that they can watch any of them when they want. Not to mention no one trusts Microsoft with security especially after some of the leaked Edward Snowden papers showed Microsoft sharing information with the NSA.

Here are some of the reasons people don't like the new Xbox, you obviously love:

- You have to have Kinect plugged in at all times to use the console, can never actually turn it "off"
- It has significantly less power than the PS4 (50% slower GPU) [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
- Zero backwards compatibility
- Microsoft won't allow indie devs to self-publish/they must get a publisher (very expensive for small companies)
- Will be region locked, making many countries wait a long time or never be able to use the console altogether
- Completely retarded restrictions on trading/selling used game to make Microsoft more money
- $100 more for less power and more restrictions than the PS4 (wut?)

I can already tell you have your heart set on being ignorant. But I will say..

- Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times? You're just trying to find things to complain about. Learn to control the privacy settings if you're scared that for whatever reason the government wants to monitor you 24/7.

- Lol, that is false. Linking that site is like using wikipedia as a credible source. And I know what your teachers have told you kids about wikipedia.

- PS4 isn't backwards compatible either.

- You kids barely even support indie developers, stop acting like you care about them now.

- Like you care about those other countries, just a reason to complain.

- Those "restrictions" won't make Microsoft any money, it will make the publishers more money. And sharing games on Xbox one is better than the current just give your friend the disk method of sony.

- Valid reason, but stop acting like $100 is a groundbreaking difference. Especially when the PS3 was $200 more than the 360 at launch.

How am I being ignorant? I presented you with a constructive post with facts. I think you can't deal with the fact that Microsoft messed up the Xbox One, it's okay I understand.

- "Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times" Uh, try several thousands of people obviously care or else they wouldn't be so upset about it. And I'm not sure if you read my post or not but there is no way, despite the privacy settings, to actually turn "off" the kinect.

- That source is credible, first of all because it isn't biased, and secondly because it breaks down the GPU and shows you how it arrives at the Xbox One having 50% less GPU power, using the information on the internals released by Microsoft and Sony. It's simple math, PS4 has 18 complete units in it's GPU. The Xbox One has 12 complete units in the GPU. 18-12 = 6, six is half of how many units are in the Xbox One GPU or 50%. So therefore the PS4 has 50% more GPU computing power, theres really no way around it.

- PS4 will be backwards compatible in a sense. Through the Gakai online service PS4 will be launching. It will allow PS4 users to play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games through the cloud.

- This isn't a valid point. Maybe not everyone supports indie developers, but a lot of people like myself do, they've made great games like Castle Crashers and The Walking Dead. And regardless of whether or not people support them, it doesn't make it any better that MS is forcing indie devs to fork up thousands of dollars for a publisher, that small entrepreneuring gaming companies can't afford to make Microsoft more money.

- Wow, you're calling me ignorant? You're basically saying "Oh, who cares about all those other countries that want to enjoy video games, screw them". I'm sure the millions in countries like New Zealend and Icelend that are region locked, where ironically the developers of the Witcher 3 live, and won't be able to play their own game.

- The restrictions won't make them any money? I don't think you know how production of games work. They're limiting used game sales which only earns profit for the store i.e. Gamestop etc. But by making more people purchase games at full price the money goes to the publisher of the game who then give a percentage to Microsoft. The trading system will be much worse, not sure what you're talking about. Only being able to trade a game once. And the family sharing system isn't a very good alternative either. You and the person on the family network both have to own the game to play together, they can only play your game if you aren't using it.

- I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you think $100 isn't a lot of money then you need to learn the value of money.

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote What has me sold:
1.Sony cares about gamers.

2.Trade in games.

3.Don't have to be online.

4.The new interface

1. Ehh...not anymore than Microsoft. Microsoft is like your mom who gives you advice and you're just like "Lol okay mom" Two years later you're like...."woah maybe mom was right." Sadly, most of the kids on TTG are too ignorant to understand what Microsoft is doing, and they aren't willing to learn.

I doubt Sony cares about gamers anymore than Microsoft, they just saw how gamers reacted to the Xbox One and said "Do you know how much money we can make if we just do the opposite of Microsoft's f-ups?" And so they did.

Maybe Microsoft will do something revolutionary, but I've been with Sony almost my entire gaming life.

It was "What has sold you on The PS4?" Not "Come here and debate about which console is the best"

I'm not about to start a flame war over a CONSOLE.

Starting an argument with me is like trying to start a war with the USA, you won't win.

Vietnam

On topic: The PS4 is kind of getting me. I love the Xbox brand, but I just don't agree with what they are doing. I'm fine with the used game thing in a sense. I just really don't like needing to be online for an hour every 24 hour period. It's a console, not a PC. I should be able to use it no matter the location as long as I have a TV and electricity. The Kinect is not really a cool thing either. Why do I have to have it on while I play? It's already uncomfortable that Microsoft is part of PRISM. Now we have a camera that is always when the Xbox is on? Not cool. I'm still on the edge though because I have eight years worth of achievements and time put into my account. PS4 is looking pretty good though.

If we went to war with Vietnam today...lol.

@ Everything else, just read this.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

That really didn't clear up anything. The DRM isn't confirmed to work the way the guy thinks it may work in the post. That being said, there is still the problem of needing an internet connection for an hour every 24 hours (until confirmed.) Turning off the features of the Kinect does nothing to their end. If there is power to the console and I'm online, they have access to it. The webcam on my computer can be hacked into at any point without me knowing. It's just how that works. It's not like the NSA or whoever would come out and say they are doing it. It would be kept secret. Point being: Cameras that have power and internet to them aren't to be trusted (especially those from Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.) Could I be paranoid? Maybe. It's still a realistic possibility though.

Yes you're paranoid. Seriously, why does everyone think they're important enough for the government to give a **** about? Why do kids on here think the government has the time or resources to watch every xbox one player 24/7?

I'm not going to argue with someone who will just continually say, "BUT DA CAMERA IS WATHCIN U, HOW WE KNO, DEY NOT RECORDING YOU?"

It's not that they are watching every person on Xbox, it's the fact that they can watch any of them when they want. Not to mention no one trusts Microsoft with security especially after some of the leaked Edward Snowden papers showed Microsoft sharing information with the NSA.

Here are some of the reasons people don't like the new Xbox, you obviously love:

- You have to have Kinect plugged in at all times to use the console, can never actually turn it "off"
- It has significantly less power than the PS4 (50% slower GPU) [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
- Zero backwards compatibility
- Microsoft won't allow indie devs to self-publish/they must get a publisher (very expensive for small companies)
- Will be region locked, making many countries wait a long time or never be able to use the console altogether
- Completely retarded restrictions on trading/selling used game to make Microsoft more money
- $100 more for less power and more restrictions than the PS4 (wut?)

I can already tell you have your heart set on being ignorant. But I will say..

- Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times? You're just trying to find things to complain about. Learn to control the privacy settings if you're scared that for whatever reason the government wants to monitor you 24/7.

- Lol, that is false. Linking that site is like using wikipedia as a credible source. And I know what your teachers have told you kids about wikipedia.

- PS4 isn't backwards compatible either.

- You kids barely even support indie developers, stop acting like you care about them now.

- Like you care about those other countries, just a reason to complain.

- Those "restrictions" won't make Microsoft any money, it will make the publishers more money. And sharing games on Xbox one is better than the current just give your friend the disk method of sony.

- Valid reason, but stop acting like $100 is a groundbreaking difference. Especially when the PS3 was $200 more than the 360 at launch.

How am I being ignorant? I presented you with a constructive post with facts. I think you can't deal with the fact that Microsoft messed up the Xbox One, it's okay I understand.

- "Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times" Uh, try several thousands of people obviously care or else they wouldn't be so upset about it. And I'm not sure if you read my post or not but there is no way, despite the privacy settings, to actually turn "off" the kinect.

- That source is credible, first of all because it isn't biased, and secondly because it breaks down the GPU and shows you how it arrives at the Xbox One having 50% less GPU power, using the information on the internals released by Microsoft and Sony. It's simple math, PS4 has 18 complete units in it's GPU. The Xbox One has 12 complete units in the GPU. 18-12 = 6, six is half of how many units are in the Xbox One GPU or 50%. So therefore the PS4 has 50% more GPU computing power, theres really no way around it.

- PS4 will be backwards compatible in a sense. Through the Gakai online service PS4 will be launching. It will allow PS4 users to play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games through the cloud.

- This isn't a valid point. Maybe not everyone supports indie developers, but a lot of people like myself do, they've made great games like Castle Crashers and The Walking Dead. And regardless of whether or not people support them, it doesn't make it any better that MS is forcing indie devs to fork up thousands of dollars for a publisher, that small entrepreneuring gaming companies can't afford to make Microsoft more money.

- Wow, you're calling me ignorant? You're basically saying "Oh, who cares about all those other countries that want to enjoy video games, screw them". I'm sure the millions in countries like New Zealend and Icelend that are region locked, where ironically the developers of the Witcher 3 live, and won't be able to play their own game.

- The restrictions won't make them any money? I don't think you know how production of games work. They're limiting used game sales which only earns profit for the store i.e. Gamestop etc. But by making more people purchase games at full price the money goes to the publisher of the game who then give a percentage to Microsoft. The trading system will be much worse, not sure what you're talking about. Only being able to trade a game once. And the family sharing system isn't a very good alternative either. You and the person on the family network both have to own the game to play together, they can only play your game if you aren't using it.

- I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you think $100 isn't a lot of money then you need to learn the value of money.

Amen, brother. A-fking-men.

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Conquistador wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

Yin wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote

IgnorantChildren wrote

SIurm wrote What has me sold:
1.Sony cares about gamers.

2.Trade in games.

3.Don't have to be online.

4.The new interface

1. Ehh...not anymore than Microsoft. Microsoft is like your mom who gives you advice and you're just like "Lol okay mom" Two years later you're like...."woah maybe mom was right." Sadly, most of the kids on TTG are too ignorant to understand what Microsoft is doing, and they aren't willing to learn.

I doubt Sony cares about gamers anymore than Microsoft, they just saw how gamers reacted to the Xbox One and said "Do you know how much money we can make if we just do the opposite of Microsoft's f-ups?" And so they did.

Maybe Microsoft will do something revolutionary, but I've been with Sony almost my entire gaming life.

It was "What has sold you on The PS4?" Not "Come here and debate about which console is the best"

I'm not about to start a flame war over a CONSOLE.

Starting an argument with me is like trying to start a war with the USA, you won't win.

Vietnam

On topic: The PS4 is kind of getting me. I love the Xbox brand, but I just don't agree with what they are doing. I'm fine with the used game thing in a sense. I just really don't like needing to be online for an hour every 24 hour period. It's a console, not a PC. I should be able to use it no matter the location as long as I have a TV and electricity. The Kinect is not really a cool thing either. Why do I have to have it on while I play? It's already uncomfortable that Microsoft is part of PRISM. Now we have a camera that is always when the Xbox is on? Not cool. I'm still on the edge though because I have eight years worth of achievements and time put into my account. PS4 is looking pretty good though.

If we went to war with Vietnam today...lol.

@ Everything else, just read this.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

That really didn't clear up anything. The DRM isn't confirmed to work the way the guy thinks it may work in the post. That being said, there is still the problem of needing an internet connection for an hour every 24 hours (until confirmed.) Turning off the features of the Kinect does nothing to their end. If there is power to the console and I'm online, they have access to it. The webcam on my computer can be hacked into at any point without me knowing. It's just how that works. It's not like the NSA or whoever would come out and say they are doing it. It would be kept secret. Point being: Cameras that have power and internet to them aren't to be trusted (especially those from Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc.) Could I be paranoid? Maybe. It's still a realistic possibility though.

Yes you're paranoid. Seriously, why does everyone think they're important enough for the government to give a **** about? Why do kids on here think the government has the time or resources to watch every xbox one player 24/7?

I'm not going to argue with someone who will just continually say, "BUT DA CAMERA IS WATHCIN U, HOW WE KNO, DEY NOT RECORDING YOU?"

It's not that they are watching every person on Xbox, it's the fact that they can watch any of them when they want. Not to mention no one trusts Microsoft with security especially after some of the leaked Edward Snowden papers showed Microsoft sharing information with the NSA.

Here are some of the reasons people don't like the new Xbox, you obviously love:

- You have to have Kinect plugged in at all times to use the console, can never actually turn it "off"
- It has significantly less power than the PS4 (50% slower GPU) [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
- Zero backwards compatibility
- Microsoft won't allow indie devs to self-publish/they must get a publisher (very expensive for small companies)
- Will be region locked, making many countries wait a long time or never be able to use the console altogether
- Completely retarded restrictions on trading/selling used game to make Microsoft more money
- $100 more for less power and more restrictions than the PS4 (wut?)

I can already tell you have your heart set on being ignorant. But I will say..

- Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times? You're just trying to find things to complain about. Learn to control the privacy settings if you're scared that for whatever reason the government wants to monitor you 24/7.

- Lol, that is false. Linking that site is like using wikipedia as a credible source. And I know what your teachers have told you kids about wikipedia.

- PS4 isn't backwards compatible either.

- You kids barely even support indie developers, stop acting like you care about them now.

- Like you care about those other countries, just a reason to complain.

- Those "restrictions" won't make Microsoft any money, it will make the publishers more money. And sharing games on Xbox one is better than the current just give your friend the disk method of sony.

- Valid reason, but stop acting like $100 is a groundbreaking difference. Especially when the PS3 was $200 more than the 360 at launch.

How am I being ignorant? I presented you with a constructive post with facts. I think you can't deal with the fact that Microsoft messed up the Xbox One, it's okay I understand.

- "Who cares about the kinect being plugged in at all times" Uh, try several thousands of people obviously care or else they wouldn't be so upset about it. And I'm not sure if you read my post or not but there is no way, despite the privacy settings, to actually turn "off" the kinect.

- That source is credible, first of all because it isn't biased, and secondly because it breaks down the GPU and shows you how it arrives at the Xbox One having 50% less GPU power, using the information on the internals released by Microsoft and Sony. It's simple math, PS4 has 18 complete units in it's GPU. The Xbox One has 12 complete units in the GPU. 18-12 = 6, six is half of how many units are in the Xbox One GPU or 50%. So therefore the PS4 has 50% more GPU computing power, theres really no way around it.

- PS4 will be backwards compatible in a sense. Through the Gakai online service PS4 will be launching. It will allow PS4 users to play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games through the cloud.

- This isn't a valid point. Maybe not everyone supports indie developers, but a lot of people like myself do, they've made great games like Castle Crashers and The Walking Dead. And regardless of whether or not people support them, it doesn't make it any better that MS is forcing indie devs to fork up thousands of dollars for a publisher, that small entrepreneuring gaming companies can't afford to make Microsoft more money.

- Wow, you're calling me ignorant? You're basically saying "Oh, who cares about all those other countries that want to enjoy video games, screw them". I'm sure the millions in countries like New Zealend and Icelend that are region locked, where ironically the developers of the Witcher 3 live, and won't be able to play their own game.

- The restrictions won't make them any money? I don't think you know how production of games work. They're limiting used game sales which only earns profit for the store i.e. Gamestop etc. But by making more people purchase games at full price the money goes to the publisher of the game who then give a percentage to Microsoft. The trading system will be much worse, not sure what you're talking about. Only being able to trade a game once. And the family sharing system isn't a very good alternative either. You and the person on the family network both have to own the game to play together, they can only play your game if you aren't using it.

- I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you think $100 isn't a lot of money then you need to learn the value of money.

- They are exaggerating how upset they are. If sony did the same thing they wouldn't care. Just like how PS3 fanboys use to complain and say you never have to pay money to play a game online. Now they're just brushing it off.

- As I said, people barely cared about indie developers until they found out they won't be supported by the X1. Now all of a sudden everyone cares? Not buying it.

- How does them being region locked effect you? Do you live in one of those countries? Are you trying to be the MLK of gaming? Seriously, you're over exaggerating about how much you actually care about those countries. You just want to use it as an excuse to say PS4 > X1.

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- Wrong, "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this.

You can act like you know whats going on behind the scenes, but you know no more than anyone else here. And you have no clue how the family sharing works if you're saying it isn't a good alternative. As I said you're ignorant and aren't even willing to do research.

You and the person on the family network both have to own the game to play together, they can only play your game if you aren't using it.

Just like when you give your game disc to someone else with the PS4. The only difference is, I won't have to wait for a week for my brother to ship my Skyrim game back to me.


- Let's say you're buying a car for $20,000, then they said "For $100 more we'll put in leather trimming" or something like that. Are you going to say "$100!?!?!?! MAN YOU MUST NOT KNOW THE VALUE OF MONEY!!!" You're spending $400 on a console, $100 isn't a colossal difference.

Just like most PS4 fan boys, you're over exaggerating.


@The GPU, i'll come back to that later.

I might have to make the move back to sony, i could remember younger me an my brother had the ps1 and ps2 many people made the switch to xbox 360, but i gotta say im not liking the future of where they are heading, windows 8 was suppose to combine shit and make it easier when really if you had common pc sense, you wouldnt need that shit. second i think consoles need to quit trying to progress to make more money trying to compete with tv and pc, because people buy the damn console to play games, i dont turn my xbox on to get on netflix and watch the same shit thats been on there for years, i dont need all the other shit i turn it on to game, why should i have to pay electric bills for the xbox AND the tv, when i can just use the damn tv. A console will never reach the pc, they say the coming consoles are future proof, i have a damn budget build pc and its got better specs than the damn xbox one. The kinect shit...i never liked the kinect in the first place, i'd just put a peice of electric tape over the camera, and block its speaker if i was really paranoid about the "watching" through it.