Travis wrote

Craig wrote

2018 wrote

Craig wrote And yet, nothing will change. Neat.

What do you mean nothing will change? If I may ask.. What could change?

How many innocent people have to die before America gets rid of guns. Its becoming a joke now.

Americans will never and I will never support the Prohibition of guns. Yeah it may work for a few months but it still will not stop people from killing people or stop killing people in schools. Just because you're taking away one method of it doesn't mean there is an another. If you take away guns they may look into building bombs, and if they build bombs that's even more big of a threat than a gun would ever be. It's honestly easier to sneak a bomb in to the school then it is to sneak up a handgun into the school.

Yeah, the UKs had quite a few school bombings over the years... no.

My thoughts...

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Craig wrote

2018 wrote

Craig wrote And yet, nothing will change. Neat.

What do you mean nothing will change? If I may ask.. What could change?

How many innocent people have to die before America gets rid of guns. Its becoming a joke now.

That would not change anything, there will always be killing and there will always be a war. Sad as it is but thats now it is. Taking guns away would just mean people cant defend them selfs.

taghash wrote Your dead children don't take precedence over my rights.

Any inalienable right you believe you have is a fabrication. You, along with everybody else, have only one - truly inalienable - right.
A right which isn't written in any political document for a temporary nation. A right which you will, kicking and screaming in horror, one day exercise to it's full extent. A right to die.

You will be tossed onto the same sepulchral bone heap as everyone who has ever believed themselves to have rights, and what then?
Would you shake the boney, dead hands of the people who died here and thank them for their unwilling sacrifice which allowed you to exercise your fabricated right?

You are no more important than anyone else, your rights are not important, nothing about your existence is important.
You will be tossed aside by reality in the same uncaring way as everyone else to take your position in the graveyard of this world.

Your rights will pass away, change and be stitched together with other rights like Frankenstein's monster into something you would never sanction, then, when all trace of you and your rights worth the deaths of other humans are dead and rotting, history will lick a finger and turn the page - because you don't take precedence over anything.


@ Everyone:

I can't find many faults with this opinion piece on gun control.
I used to think more about gun control but I don't find it that interesting of a subject any more, no progress is ever made and nobody really changes their minds on it.

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Ancestor wrote There have been 18 school shootings so far this year.

Don't buy into the liberal left propaganda.

If you take a look at what actually happened. While these were shootings, they are not what you think...
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Travis wrote Gun control is definitely not the issue in this circumstance. Eliminating guns will not solve the fact of mass murders in schools. People still obtain guns illegally as it is so eliminating them from legitimate dealers would not really make much of a difference other than the fact that citizens that are concerned with protecting themselves would not be able to protect themselves. I think personally, that we should be employing retired police and retired veterans. This is an issue that shouldnt be discussed at a state level it should be discussed at the federal level because if we can make airport so secure we should be able to make them as secure as a school should be.

Completely agree about the gun control part.

But I do not agree with making a school as secure as a airport. I am currently a high school student. I would rather live in the current situation than to have my school act like an airport. For one, it would take too long and two it is for the most part useless.

With that being said, I would say that my school has pretty good security. We have at least 5-6 police always at the school. In fact, they are "resource officers", and I would like to believe that they have a positive impact on the students and any one who is having a bad day can go talk to them. We are also a few blocks from multiple police stations. We have many entrances into the school, but most of them are locked from the outside. The entrances that are not always locked, are locked during class hours. Students are required to wear ID's. And that is just a few. I live in a semi-decent area, but by no standards is my area great, so please don't assume it is because I am in a good area or that we have tons of money to spend on security.

I truly feel like my school is making an effort to improve security. Just to day, they made a few more rules. One of the rules is that previous students are not allowed to visit during school hours.

I also feel that if most schools would implement rules like what I have stated earlier, school shooters would not cause as much damage. Schools should be built around police stations and police should be placed in the school.

Now with that being said, I do not think that we will ever truly be able to prevent all school shootings. All someone has to do is come up with a good plan. But with a few "common sense" rules, many mass shootings can be minimized or prevented. Along with these rules, we should have more mental health care. I do not exactly know how this would be done. Maybe require students to have a check up every year. But even that would not work. As I said earlier, if people really want to keep a secret, then they can do a really good job at keeping that secret.

Also as a side note... I would rather have to worry about being shot at rather then acid attacks, gang rapes, grooming gangs, stabbings, and concert bombings that other places frequently experience. I do not know why, but getting shot does not seem like a terrible thing when compared to getting stabbed, blown up, etc. I would also think that it is reasonable to assume that stabbings in other places with strict gun laws have gone up because of the strict gun laws.

The victims were killed senselessly. They was no reason for him to go into that school that day and start shooting it up. Sources say He stormed five classrooms and started shooting. Walked down the street to a fast food place and came back. He was then arrested..



17 people were gunned down. Including a football coach/security guard for the school.

He was shot while shielding multiple students during the gun fire where he was hit multiple times. He was later announced dead. This man will forever be a hero in my eyes. He did not have to save those kids but he did and he took bullets for them. Without him more students would have been killed.

Victims:

Soccer player Alyssa Alhadeff, 15.
Scott Beigel, Geography teacher, killed while protecting students. This teacher unlocked his door to let a scared student into his class. He had to re-lock it but never got the chance to.
Martin Duque
Nicholas Dworet, this was senior with a scholarship to swim at the University of Indianapolis.
Aaron Feis, the coach that I talked about earlier in the post.
Jaime Guttenberg, her father has told the news that his son was safe. His daughter was not. Jaime was a volunteer as a organization that helped kids with special needs..
Chris Hixon, 49, was deployed to Iraq as a Naval Reservist in 2007. He left behind a wife and two kids.
Luke Hoyer, 14.
Gina Montalto, 14, she also volunteered at a organization that helped children with special needs.
Joaquin Oliver.
Alaina Petty, 14.
Meadow Pollack, 18, she planned to atten Lynn University after graduation.
Alex Schachter, marching band student.
Peter Wang, 15.

Continuous wrote Getting rid of guns is not the answer. It never has been the answer, and never will be the answer.

So what is the answer then, since you seem to have all this insider knowledge on what "the answer" is?

Continuous wrote Lets say that somehow you manage to ban all guns (illegal and legal), people would still use other weapons.

Is there any way you can not ban illegal weapons? Do you know what illegal means?

Continuous wrote Take a look at this mass murder in Japan...
Osaka school massacre
The guy killed 8 people and injured 15 all with a kitchen knife. Sure that is not as many as the Florida shooting, but it is still significant.

and how many mass murders have their been in Japan this year? I like that you had to go back to 2001 to find an article to back up your point though.

Continuous wrote The problem is not the gun, just like the knife was not the problem in the Osaka mass murder. Mental health is the problem. Nobody in their right mind would even think of doing something like this. This guy was obviously messed up in the head.

Yeah, you're definitely not the authority to speak on mental health. I have poor mental health, I amen't going to decide to go shoot up a school, and in the same day actually go and buy an AR15. Guns are definitely the problem when it comes to a mass shooting.

Continuous wrote Not all gun owners want to go shoot up schools, just like not all cops are terrible people, or how not all Americans are fat.

Okay, but people who don't want to go on a mass shooting aren't the issue here, obviously.

Continuous wrote Please try to be reasonable and come up with some actual ways to prevent mass shootings.

Gun control. It's a perfectly reasonable solution, hence why it has worked in several other countries. No one has ever said, or will ever say that gun control eliminates all violence or murder, that's preposterous.

Continuous wrote Getting rid of guns is not reasonable, and it would be very very difficult if not impossible.

It's absolutely reasonable. Just because you like guns, does not make it an unreasonable suggestion, ESPECIALLY when strict gun control works in countless other countries. How difficult it would actually be is up for debate, but I'm certain no one here knows how difficult it actually would be, so I'm not even going to comment on that.

Continuous wrote All of the guns above are relatively the same. But some people would look at a few of those guns and have a completely different opinion than they would with the other. Based purely off of the looks.

How guns look isn't the issue though. No logical person wants stricter gun control because guns look 'scary'.

Continuous wrote
Take a look at this video below...
It proves my point even further

Gonna have to disagree there. A blatantly bias YouTube video doesn't help your point at all. All that shows me is that if you ask ill-informed people on the street questions, they'll probably have stupid answers, who knew right? Let me go ask a bunch of randoms on the street some PC questions and laugh at them when they don't know what I'm talking about.

Continuous wrote do you really think that legal gun owners are just going to give up their guns? The answer is no, many previously legal gun owners will become illegal gun owners. They will not give up their guns.

Riiiight, but I thought most gun owners weren't criminals? Oh, but now they're willing to become criminals?

Continuous wrote I understand that you want to ban SOME guns, and I agree. But I feel like the guns that are currently banned for the most part should be banned, and the guns that are not banned should stay unbanned.

So, I'm not sure if you guys know what "gun control" means? It doesn't mean just banning all guns outright. It means having better control on who can buy guns, what modifications they can make, etc. I'm fine with someone owning a rifle or a pistol if they go through several reasonable background checks, and have their weapons locked up safely, and securely while they're not being used.

Skankhunt42 wrote
America needs better gun control... its stupid.

The fact that this has 9 downvotes is hilarious, and is further proof of Craig's point that nothing is going to happen.

Continuous wrote Assuming he has not committed any serious crimes, he probably passed a background check.

Like not giving a 19 year old kid an AR15 the same day he asks for it. That's definitely not a reasonable amount of background checking. It can take easily upwards of a month to pass a background check for firearms in the UK. There are also plenty of illegal firearms in the UK. Can you guess how many mass shootings we've had in the past 2 decades?

Continuous wrote
The problem is not the guns, it is his mental health.

Since you seem to know so much about the guys mental health, do tell us more. Enlighten us.

Travis wrote Gun control is definitely not the issue in this circumstance. Eliminating guns

When a 19 year old kid can legally obtain an AR15 in a single day, gun control definitely is an issue. Especially when a LOT of people who are on your side, like Continuous, will say that the guns aren't the problem, the kid was OBVIOUSLY messed up. Well, if it's that obvious, why did he get an AR15 IN A DAY? Also, "Eliminating guns", do you know what gun control means? If you don't need gun control, do you think it is reasonable for someone to go to a shop and come back with a Bazooka, and a Minigun?

Travis wrote Americans will never and I will never support the Prohibition of guns

Prohibition /= control.

Travis wrote If you take away guns they may look into building bombs, and if they build bombs that's even more big of a threat than a gun would ever be. It's honestly easier to sneak a bomb in to the school then it is to sneak up a handgun into the school.

Okay, but if any of that were true, why is it always firearms used in mass shootings in the US? Why don't kids just make a bomb and sneak that in to school since it's so much easier and more effective, according to you?

Continuous wrote There is so many opinions about gun control and what we can do to stop something like this from happening.. and truthfully, there really isnt anything that we could

You're right, there is no way to eliminate violence. There are however several ways to make it harder for psychopaths to be able to obtain firearms that they use for mass shootings. There are plenty of ways to make your country safer. Take action against violence, don't just sit back and say "oh well, I want my guns so nope, nothing we can do anyway".

Continuous wrote There will always be guns in the US. The school needs to put more security measures like my school.

Really, because there are guns in the UK and absolutely no security at the vast majority of schools. I'm serious, none. That must surprise a bunch of you Americans who have to go through 3 metal detectors, and a pat down before getting your bag searched, huh? In fact, I know some kids who have taken weapons to school, including knives and a f*n crossbow. Can you guess how many mass shootings we've had in the past 2 decades though?

KyloCrux wrote but gun control will not fix this. There will always be a way to get guns. Legally or illegally.

Depends what you mean by "fix". Will it eliminate all violence? Absolutely not. Will it eliminate all violence with firearms? No. Will it stop at least one person from legally obtaining a firearm they have no right to own and save lives? Absolutely. 100%.

Allnutt wrote Yeah, the UKs had quite a few school bombings over the years... no.

Waiting for the "but thas NOT America though, America is different and special, it DOESNT WORK FOR US"

Continuous wrote Also as a side note... I would rather have to worry about being shot at rather then acid attacks, gang rapes, grooming gangs, stabbings, and concert bombings that other places frequently experience.

Concert bombings have definitely happened in the US. I'm willing to bet more than in the UK as well. "Acid attacks" are apparently an issue in the UK, IF you listen to the MSM. Does it happen? Sure. Is it common? No. Is it anywhere near as common as mass shootings in the US? Not even close.

Continuous wrote I do not know why, but getting shot does not seem like a terrible thing when compared to getting stabbed, blown up, etc. I would also think that it is reasonable to assume that stabbings in other places with strict gun laws have gone up because of the strict gun laws.

Yeah, watch out for all those mass stabbings you hear about - oh wait

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